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Michelle Obama on her bond with George W. Bush: "Our values are the same"
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IM WRONG ABOUT BUSH IN AFRICA SO IM GOING TO POST IN ALL CAPS ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST LIKE A CLOWN!!!
You can ignore me for all I give a fuck. Facts are facts. You people on this forum always get angry when black folks don't align 100% with your sensitive ass views. Maybe you'll suggest that the people that got help from Bush's program are "uninformed" as well.
It's amusing that people seem to love to make this point most often when talking about abhorrent things like war crimes.
It's not like people are arguing about Coke vs. Pepsi. Some shit in this world is nonnegotiable.
I'm sorry I can't hear her good points from the mountain of skulls she's shouting from, formed by the deeds of her husband and 'good friend'.
Gtfo, I'm not the one trying to bring nuance to a war criminal. Uninformed or no, i see no reason for you to try to "nuance" this shit as if his image needed saving.
We know what he did, why detract from that?
Piss off man, how many times do I have to type this shit, I'm BLACK, literally African descent. Do not try to erase my identity because we disagree.
Racist af...I stg.
The problem with all of our focus being on identity issues is most people don't give a shit about class issues.
I for one am apalled that those people accepted humanitarian aid from a war criminal. They are complicit in the wars.
They're not though, who is saying this?
Man I'm out, thread turned to shit.
Obama famously refused to charge George W. Bush for War Crimes after his election. What lie are you talking about?
She cannot prosecute George Bush. He was not impeached, convicted or removed from office. As a result, 20 years from now, not a single textbook teaching children American history will refer to him as a war criminal.
Thus, the onus is not on Michelle Obama to hold him accountable. She should not alter her consistent message for the sake of Era.
The fact that you're joking about drone strikes shows all there is about your faux outrage.
I think her saying their values are the same is a pretty damning indication that either she thinks she's a horrible person or she thinks he's a great person.
remember that time Obama gave the state department a black pen to censor like half of the torture report because he was too afraid of looking partisan for holding the Bush administration responsible for literally torturing people to death? and that time he took advantage of Bush's extension of the US military apparatus to extra-judiciously murder an American citizen, suspending habeus corpus despite being a constitutional scholar? and then he killed that guys 16 year old also American citizen kid because they wanted to prevent his retribution against the US for killing his dad and when asked about it said he should have had better parents? good times
Democrats who want to excuse their royalty from being terrible, I would guess.
Which ones are racist?
What kinda nuance is needed for this thread specifically? Have the Obama criticizers missed anything?
What's so cartoonish about wanting an anti-imperialist leader? #JC4PM
Life is too short to try to spend time with garbage people who have shitty values. Probably why I don't have any friends besides my wife and son.
Yeah, some people, let's call them 'classic socialists' have been under fire for ages for not focusing from progressives on identitary politics, including people like Bernie Sanders, but for focusing on class issues instead. And yeah, identity is very important, but to this day, the single biggest factor of discrimination is and will continue to be social class.
But what do I know, I'm just a cis white European male.
"We see you" lmao. Who exactly is we? I'd like to be seen and speak to them. Will they return to the thread?
And I'm an ADOS. Don't get mad because you got called out for typing like a smug leftist. I don't even particularly like Bush but he isn't some Hitler like figure that deserves to have his nuance erased. Again you can ignore me.
I'm not going to ignore you lol stop asking for that.
And nah, I'm still of the position that Bush ain't shit. His aids program wasn't shit either so nah I'm not rating him for that. He's destroyed far too many for me to try to even out the scales.
But go on, do whatever. Don't even know why you tried to bring nuance to him of all people.
Peace..
I can't believe the sheer admiration you have for Michelle to, again, cover for Bush.
Facts, the worst thing about this place is when certain people use idpol to silence other voices.
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Wouldn't every US president in our lifetime be considered a War Criminal? Ironically not Trump if my math is right?
Joke, moreseo a little dig, my extended family is already ruined by everything during that decade.
But it shows the hypocrisy of her views of humanity. Giving second chances to a man that destroyed an entire region in name of nothing...guess in her case, she's trying to be humble by going high and have compassion eh. I forget how long she has been covering for Bush because of her friendship with that family..
It's not admiration, it's a disgust at how quick so many are to insult and disaparage the first black family and Michelle Obama specifically, for not being as vindictive and full of inane bloodlust as so many are.
"vindictive and full of inane bloodlust" is a very interesting way of framing this.
Very interesting.
lets be honest though, no one here has as much bloodlust as Bush Jr.
The man hes defending. Again.
A million deaths.
of course, who cares about iraqis right? because something something being christian.
And so the attempts at rewriting history RE Bush continues.
Trump was the best thing to happen to his legacy, because everyone and their mother is bending backwards to try and repaint who he was and still is.
Trump was the best thing to happen to his legacy, because everyone and their mother is bending backwards to try and repaint who he was and still is.
you are correct because she made it clear that killing and maiming is "policy" and thus not interlinked with values of compassion and love for those same people.
The Black Panthers and the Combahee River Collective (they coined the term) never did. Class is part of identity politics and was never meant to be separated from it.
Saying "Thus" doesn't actually mean you've made an argument.
Whether or not she could prosecute George Bush has nothing to do with the crimes he committed. Whether or not said crimes are reported in American history books has nothing do with the crimes he committed. You haven't given a single reason for explaining why she couldn't hold him accountable, let alone a reason for defending him.
I want Bush to be held accountable for his crimes. I would want Michelle to, at least, not say "Our values are the same"
Democrats rehabilitated Reagan too. I have no doubt they will attempt to do the same for Trump in a few decades.
Being the first black family doesn't excuse of trying to appease to a conservative nuthead like George Bush.
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