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Michael Jackson died 10 years ago today (See Staff Post)
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It's very weird. Humans beings always bend reality to fit their own viewpoints.
It does though. Leaving Neverland tries to convince us that Michael Jackson was helping people because he was grooming the world. This is not true. Michael donated money to creating a burn unit for victims of fire. He saved children by helping them pay for transplants. The best part? He never told anybody what he was doing.
You dodged my damn question.
Do you believe the victims in Leaving Neverland?
You're not the only one who has struggled. You're doing victims of sexual assault a massive disservice.
I can never understand how hard it is/was to go through what you have, and that this person you have viewed through a particular viewpoint's reputation is utterly tarnished to so many people. But the idea he did some forms of good washes over the bad can be, and is a tool used by these types of people. Have a read up on Jimmy Saville, he was a monster, but people still cling to the idea he was good and incapable of what he is accused of and almost universally accepted he did.
User Banned (1 Week): Ignoring staff post and dismissing allegations of abuse
I can't directly answer your question because I don't want to go against the staff post rules and I really don't want to go through all the name calling. I faced enough of that everyday in my life. Last time I cried for days after I was banned and was called names. I respect your opinion. Thank you for listening to my point of view. I hope you can respect mine.
Just because he was so giving and loving with large segments of people does not mean he was not capable of doing the things he did to children. FWIW MJ was an incredibly damaged person who made horrible, vile decisions.... but do I think he was , say, evil? Devoid of any good in his heart? No, I do not. The world is not simply black and white.
Also, there is a world of difference between the posts completely ignoring what he did and just posting YouTube clips/ lionizing him ( serious fuck ya'll posting so disingenuously) and someone like the poster above. Imo pump the brakes on going after those who clearly aren't posting in bad faith/looking to troll.
Also, there is a world of difference between the posts completely ignoring what he did and just posting YouTube clips/ lionizing him ( serious fuck ya'll posting so disingenuously) and someone like the poster above. Imo pump the brakes on going after those who clearly aren't posting in bad faith/looking to troll.
So you don't believe them. At least say it then.
Thanks for contributing to the silence of victims.
People who say shit like this don't care about sexual violence and abuse.
You act like you're the only person who has experienced a hardship.
Then you don't believe them and your attempt to cover that up with rationality is really kind of gross.
So that is still an answer.
I am sorry for what you have gone through, but an act of kindness does not excuse a lifetime of depravity, and I hope you can find a way to see that.
Also you are not a monster.
But Michael Jackson was.
That ship sailed for me when I started listening to black metal, so...
Helping burn victims has nothing to with him raping kids.
Do you believe the victims who say he raped them? Yes or no. I am curious.
Edif: missed that you replied and admit you don't believe them.
You want us to respect your opinion that these victims who said MJ raped them are lying?
I'm so sorry. I should have not posted.
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Doesn't really seem like separating art from artist, just seems like you just plain don't give a fuck. It's your right, but you can see why it's a questionable take worthy of criticism right?
You admitted you think the victims are liars. I really hope you think about what that means and the message you are sending those brave enough to come forward and told their stories of how he raped them.
Jimmy Savile did tons of charity work. Raised millions of dollars!!!
... And also brutalized dozens of people, including injured people and children. Probably even more we don't know about. His name is mud now.
People denied it for years too, but in the end, it came out.
Anyone can be a monster, charity or not
No, you should believe victims instead of idolizing a pedophile who destroyed lives via child sexual abuse.
As a reminder gamerman got banned for openly denying the abuse victims not long ago. So this continued denial should not be shocking sadly.
If he doesn't believe them you shouldn't demonize him for not believing them. We all believe what we want.
Because denying the claims of abuse victims who were raped as children is not an acceptable viewpoint.
He got banned for denying it in the past and clearly has learned nothing as he is still openly denying the victims.
"man this song which functions as a metaphor for a white ethnostate has some pretty sick riffs!"
There's people who "believe" the holocaust never occured.
No, fuck that, certain people deserve to be demonized.
There's no reason to not believe them. They're more than credible.
The alternative is contributing to keeping more victims from stepping forward.
So yeah, I'm gonna demonize that take.
FOH
I just can't imagine living that life to be honest, at least it's honest, but yeah it's just...hmm
We have had very long threads, with much stronger and informative foundations, for discussing the legacy of Michael Jackson and the allegations against him. This thread has become another one of those threads, and is going in circles, and we think it has run its course. We will be reviewing reports from the topic but it will remain closed.
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