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Michael Jackson died 10 years ago today (See Staff Post)
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At the time I just thought we lost a legend.
But now I believe the accusers more than ever, so I have mixed feelings. Not all good, not all bad.
But now I believe the accusers more than ever, so I have mixed feelings. Not all good, not all bad.
He created amazing music, but that doesn't negate what he did.
If there's a Hell, I hope he's moonwalking in it.
If there's a Hell, I hope he's moonwalking in it.
How anyone can deny that he abused those kids is beyond me. It's absolutely fucked in the head to delude yourself because you liked his music.
I mean you could believe/accept he's a sick fuck while still enjoying his music.
I can understand to many people they can separate the art from the artist, but I find it appalling in this scenario in all honesty considering he himself claims children as the inspiration and subject of his work and his attitude and treatment of them in his life.
Man that's too much to think about. I'mma just sit here impressed by how freakin' good this Van Halen riff sounds on vinyl (Thriller has to be one of the most immaculately pressed LPs ever mass produced. Not a single crackle/pop or instance of inner groove distortion on this almost 40 year-old heavily played slab of wax).
Great artist, I've always chalked up the bad stuff to mental illness. He really needed a stay in a mental hospital cause he did some terrible things.
Definitely should've done that in the 90s when the scandals were breaking and then had a comeback once he got well.
Definitely should've done that in the 90s when the scandals were breaking and then had a comeback once he got well.
One of the greatest manipulators of all time (evidence: thread), and one of the most creatively talented serial child rapists of our time.
Just so we're clear, the "bad stuff" we're referring to here is the abusing of children.
I used to like some of his songs but I can't listen to his music anymore without getting angry. Fuck Michael Jackson & all that defend him.
Yes. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that I believe he was sick, rather than evil. He seriously needed help which he never got.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Ignoring staff post and dismissing allegations of abuse; user in junior phase.
Truly the King of Pop, man. Going from Don't Stop Till You Get Enough to Billie Jean to Beat It to Leave Me Alone to In the Closet to They Don't Care About Us to Scream.......and then even the lesser knowns like History. He could do everything.
Only misstep he ever made was Bubbles. All the other trash is either false/debunkable, but he really brought a damn monkey to the table for attention.
Unnecessesary really, lol.
It's a pity the piece of shit didn't die before he abused any kids. But then I guess we wouldn't have got Thriller.
This thread is the first mention I've seen of the anniversary, and I'm glad that any news source I frequent isn't celebrating him.
Tangentially related: I listened to Madonna's new album last week and it has a song on where she lists deceased singers, and MJ was a glaring ommission.
Tangentially related: I listened to Madonna's new album last week and it has a song on where she lists deceased singers, and MJ was a glaring ommission.
I still haven't listened to his music since that documentary came out. Feels weird and wrong to do so.
It pisses everyone here off and brings then together in misery and negativity, so....yes
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I can still watch, say, Chris Benoit matches (WWE wrestler who murdered his family and then committed suicide) because I tell myself he hadn't crossed that line yet. But it feels so weird to know what he became and what he did. For MJ, I have an easier time listening to his music pre-accusations (so I guess before 1992ish?). So Dangerous and prior for me.
BTW, is an HBO free trial what I need to watch the documentary, or is it on other streaming services? I've been wanting to watch it in chunks.
People idolizing a child rapist is sadly not surprising. I mean Trump has a lot of fans too (although MJ is obviously way worse than Trump all things considered).
Celebrities and performers tend to be surrounded by a culture that isolates them from the real world. If someone has negative personality traits it can only exaggerate them.
They also tend to be supported by enablers and those who excuse their behavior. Because everyone is making easy money just by being around them.
When one considers Jackson's full history, which began as a child entertainer manipulated by a supposedly abusive and terrible father, the picture is one of an all-around trainwreck. The man didn't have anything remotely like a healthy and sane life.
This is not an excuse for his inappropriate behavior with children. But one must wonder how doomed Jackson was from the start.
I remember after he died I started to listen to alot of Jacson 5 stuff, and it got me thinking as I had my playlist running yesterday. We are never going to see a artist start off as a child and reach the heights he did ever again are we?
As a kid he just oozed talent, maybe that was the problem.
As a kid he just oozed talent, maybe that was the problem.
Too much think about is a cop out in order to listen to stuff guilt free. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life but if you only view music via a surface level understanding or connection I guess it's possible. I can't ignore the actual meaning in music. Context matters to me in that sense
This message brought to you by the Jackson Estate and perpetrators of child molestation around the world.
He is dead. No one is going to try him.
He has countless accusers with credible stories and evidence.
He raped children. Period.
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That's why it impresses me how normal as shit Paul McCartney seems. I liked him for a while, and then I saw him at the first March for our Lives and I'm like, "If I didn't like him enough already..."
Why the hell did I come back into this thread....JFC.
Yay rest in peace child molester....like what the hell...
I can't tell the intent of your post. Are you chastising me? >_>
No, this thread is just full on bizarro and I don't know why I read it....sorry if you took it that way. Should've worded better.
Just gonna say.... while I really enjoyed his music, I've gone back to it less and less after coming to terms with the fact that he was a terrible person.
EDIT: While I do think he got piled on by people who were just trying to take advantage of the situation, I 100% believe he molested/abused children.
EDIT: While I do think he got piled on by people who were just trying to take advantage of the situation, I 100% believe he molested/abused children.
I was a huge fan but after Leaving Neverland I've basically tossed out anything and everything related to MJ and I'm entirely done listening to his music.
Hi Surfinn, I respect your opinion. I watched Leaving Neverland and aside from the huge inconsistencies if I was to accept the basic premise of that movie, I would be led to believe that he was just grooming the world when spending most of his time outside performing helping sick and burned children. I would have to believe he was just befriending and showering them with gifts because he wanted to have sex with them. I have watched Michael with burned victims and I can tell you I believe it was real.
I don't care if 99% of the world believes Michael Jackson is a monster, I don't. Heck 99% of the world believes I am a monster that doesn't make it true. I know that people have already made up their mind one way or the other already because everybody sees their own truth based on their life experiences. I respect that.
Do you believe the victims in Leaving Neverland?Hi Surfinn, I respect your opinion. I watched Leaving Neverland and aside from the huge inconsistencies if I was to accept the basic premise of that movie, I would be led to believe that he was just grooming the world when spending most of his time outside performing helping sick and burned children. I would have to believe he was just befriending and showering them with gifts because he wanted to have sex with them. I have watched Michael with burned victims and I can tell you I believe it was real.
I don't care if 99% of the world believes Michael Jackson is a monster, I don't. Heck 99% of the world believes I am a monster that doesn't make it true. I know that people have already made up their mind one way or the other already because everybody sees their own truth based on their life experiences. I respect that.
Helping burn victims has nothing to do with the mountains of evidence that he raped children though.Hi Surfinn, I respect your opinion. I watched Leaving Neverland and aside from the huge inconsistencies if I was to accept the basic premise of that movie, I would be led to believe that he was just grooming the world when spending most of his time outside performing helping sick and burned children. I would have to believe he was just befriending and showering them with gifts because he wanted to have sex with them. I have watched Michael with burned victims and I can tell you I believe it was real.
I don't care if 99% of the world believes Michael Jackson is a monster, I don't. Heck 99% of the world believes I am a monster that doesn't make it true. I know that people have already made up their mind one way or the other already because everybody sees their own truth based on their life experiences. I respect that.
I feel like because you made a strong connection to him because of this and your condition you don't want to admit to yourself the horrible actions of his personal life.
Which I get, it's hard when your heroes fail you.
The central question remains. Do you believe the victims who say MJ raped them?
Sexual abusers don't abuse everyone they encounter.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't eat all of his neighbors. He was still a murderer/cannibal, however.
They often shield themselves by'll looking like a great person/helping people.
Case in fucking point, above
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