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Michael Jackson died 10 years ago today (See Staff Post)
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"probably did some creepy shit" is a vague description and kind of masks what happened. We should all call it what it was. He raped children.
The pictures of the train station in the documentary are from Safechuck himself, proving that, yes, he did go to neverland when the train station existed.
I truly wonder if he'll ever be surpassed. He was the Mickey Mouse of music. When I think GOAT I see Michael.
User banned (one week): Ignoring staff post and dismissing allegations of abuse
Perform a search on Google for Leaving Neverland lies and inconsistencies. Even Oprah, the woman who produced it, has backed away from defending the project.
So many people celebrating a pedophile and sexual abuse of children.
For the victims you mean. Or you gunna post more dissertations about MJ's innocence?
For the new page
These things are undisputed
Had sleepovers with young boys
Bought them rings
Seen holding hands like a couple
Had no other romantic partner at that time
gave those kids alcohol
had an alarm system for his room
kept the parents separate
was accused by at least 5 kids of sexual assault
None of that adds to reasonable doubt for me.
These things are undisputed
Had sleepovers with young boys
Bought them rings
Seen holding hands like a couple
Had no other romantic partner at that time
gave those kids alcohol
had an alarm system for his room
kept the parents separate
was accused by at least 5 kids of sexual assault
None of that adds to reasonable doubt for me.
No other artist will ever have the level of worldwide adoration that MJ had. He transcended cultural barriers in a way that no one else could. Truly one of a kind.
"Google it" isn't much of an answer. You have an opinion on it, what are the specific "inconsistencies" that helped formulate your opinion?
I found this on wikipedia in response to the documentary claims:
"A former bodyguard of Jackson dismissed claims of child sexual abuse, saying that Jackson was heterosexual. A second bodyguard condemned the film for omitting Robson and Safechuck's lawsuits against the Jackson estate.[69] Mark Geragos, former attorney for Jackson during his 2005 trial, noted that the film contains a speech spoken by him but was edited to fit the film's narrative. The film portrayed Geragos threatening anyone, particularly victims of child abuse, who were willing to besmirch Jackson's image, but omitted the part showing Geragos addressing two men who were found guilty for wiretapping Jackson, contrary to the film's presentation"
and was wondering, what are your thoughts on these? For the bodyguards and the attorney, sounds like they are defending a guy who paid them, so no surprise but any other stronger refutations to these?
"A former bodyguard of Jackson dismissed claims of child sexual abuse, saying that Jackson was heterosexual. A second bodyguard condemned the film for omitting Robson and Safechuck's lawsuits against the Jackson estate.[69] Mark Geragos, former attorney for Jackson during his 2005 trial, noted that the film contains a speech spoken by him but was edited to fit the film's narrative. The film portrayed Geragos threatening anyone, particularly victims of child abuse, who were willing to besmirch Jackson's image, but omitted the part showing Geragos addressing two men who were found guilty for wiretapping Jackson, contrary to the film's presentation"
and was wondering, what are your thoughts on these? For the bodyguards and the attorney, sounds like they are defending a guy who paid them, so no surprise but any other stronger refutations to these?
No Oprah did not. Perhaps she's taken down YouTube copies of the video she never authorized to be on YouTube.
But since the day after it aired on HBO, she put up her after special interview up on her website, for all to view even without an HBO subscription.
It's STILL on her website.
Heard MJ still on playlist/radio rotation at the grocery store this month.
People can argue about art/the artist and all that jazz, but there's a reason a person like this should be no longer played over public broadcast... so I don't suddenly find myself with child molestation on the brain while I'm trying to buy shit to make tacos. Christ.
People can argue about art/the artist and all that jazz, but there's a reason a person like this should be no longer played over public broadcast... so I don't suddenly find myself with child molestation on the brain while I'm trying to buy shit to make tacos. Christ.
The things I want to say to the " Maybe he was weird and did things but his music fire tho!!" Types of posts would get me banned for certain. Btw everyone saying undeniable GOAT talent and entertainer knows Prince existed right ( and he produced his own music)?
Google michael jackson and you'll get bullshit websites like "MichaelJacksonInnocenceProject.com" which claim documentaries like leaving neverland are full of "lies" and "inaccuracies," but actually read their pages and they sound like fucking climate deniers. This was discussed literally for thousands of posts in the last Michael Jackson topic and every time someone would bring up "lies" they could be sourced to the same 1 or 2 websites run by the Michael Jackson estate that are intended solely to sew FUD into the conversation. In fact, there is an entire website dedicated to systematically debunking these claims of "lies": https://www.mjfacts.com/
Example: MJ Truthers claim the drawings of MJ's penis did not match, or were found not to match in court, or similar claims. The facts: https://www.mjfacts.com/the_telltale_splotch/
tl;dr: the drawings have been sealed for years, and thus nobody who claims they "didn't match" has ever seen the drawings in the first place, and their quibbles about not matching are supposedly things like a splotch being a few centimeters lower than it was in real life. In fact, the drawings were admissible evidence, it's just that the trial never occurred because MJ settled out of court. So the evidence was never rebuked or refuted, but you'll read across tons and tons of websites about how the penis drawings were "lies."
All claims that the abusers are "lying" are of this sort. People distorting the truth, and relying on actual legal court seals to keep people from being able to verify the claims themselves, or outright laziness of people to actually put in the effort to sort the truth.
Here's another one you'll hear constantly regarding MJ: "The FBI investigated him for 10 years and found nothing"
absolute bullshit: https://www.mjfacts.com/wade-and-james-fan-myths-busted/
Example: MJ Truthers claim the drawings of MJ's penis did not match, or were found not to match in court, or similar claims. The facts: https://www.mjfacts.com/the_telltale_splotch/
tl;dr: the drawings have been sealed for years, and thus nobody who claims they "didn't match" has ever seen the drawings in the first place, and their quibbles about not matching are supposedly things like a splotch being a few centimeters lower than it was in real life. In fact, the drawings were admissible evidence, it's just that the trial never occurred because MJ settled out of court. So the evidence was never rebuked or refuted, but you'll read across tons and tons of websites about how the penis drawings were "lies."
All claims that the abusers are "lying" are of this sort. People distorting the truth, and relying on actual legal court seals to keep people from being able to verify the claims themselves, or outright laziness of people to actually put in the effort to sort the truth.
Here's another one you'll hear constantly regarding MJ: "The FBI investigated him for 10 years and found nothing"
absolute bullshit: https://www.mjfacts.com/wade-and-james-fan-myths-busted/
The thing people gotta remember is the movie wasn't supposed to be a "both-sided" look at everything that went on, it was a movie about victims telling their story. It makes sense they would have omitted things, it wasn't supposed to be an all-encompassing look at what happened with the inputs of everyone involved either directly or indirectly.
This is like Drewton: the summary right here.
So many people throw themselves in front of MJ like the fucking secret service..
All because they like his tunes.
Bottom line is:
If you're celebrating the life of Michael Jackson, you don't give a fuck about victims of sexual assault.
They think they're slick
that dude has been banned more than once in MJ threads IIRC. and he's PM'ing you? jesus christ.
I said that I never would come in the thread of MJ again here. Therefore I didn't write anything.
But this is just vile. You gave information about the trainstation that was wrong. And I never said that the accusers were lying.
Unbelievable.
This is the exact message that I sended you.
And your response
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Hi,
I was following the MJ thread and you posted about the train station. That it was right information.
This is not true.
I am not going to write in that thread because I said before that I never would post in a MJ thread anymore. And I get it is to sensitive for many people.
Here is proof of the train station.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/88316...tary-neverland-train-station-james-safechuck/
it comes from a good biographer here if you don't like the sun.
https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1
I would really like if MJ was still alive and that there was a new trial. So that we had a definitive judgment. And that he either would be cleared forever or get the punishment he deserved. I only care for the truth whichever the coin may fall. I even want a new trial now.
I just wanted to give you the information.
Regards
Bliman
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your response
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reporting this to a mod right now, never pm me again
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Now tell me where I say they lied?
Unbelievable. I didn't want to be involved for all the sensitivities around this subject but I will not let you blatantly lie about me either.
Regarding the "art book" that someone said is in the library of congress:
The Boy: A Photographic Essay is not in the library of congress, that's a commonly stated myth that is not true. Further, it has been out of print for 35 years and has become a collector's item for pedophiles:
Most importantly, the author of the book was a convicted pedophile, a literal card-carrying member of NAMBLA:
The Boy: A Photographic Essay is not in the library of congress, that's a commonly stated myth that is not true. Further, it has been out of print for 35 years and has become a collector's item for pedophiles:
Most importantly, the author of the book was a convicted pedophile, a literal card-carrying member of NAMBLA:
Not sure we should. He's in the same boat as Stan Lee. If it's got their name on it, just don't touch it. The impact people like them had on the world is irrelevant and the sooner we stop enjoying what they created, the sooner they'll be forgotten.
Wait what's up with Stan Lee? I've never heard of anything insidious coming from him.
Your entire post is a "but james safechuck lied about being abused in the train station" post, the entire point of the post is to claim Safechuck lied about being molested before the station existed. What I posted in refute to this earlier referenced the exact same sources you did. They bring up the very same person that page cites, then refutes them, and provides photographic evidence that James Safechuck DID go to Neverland ranch during the time period when the train station existed. Don't reply to me with "but mike smallcomb disagrees!" when I posted an article that directly refutes mike smallcomb. And definitely don't PM me with this shit again.
Oh shit, we're gonna cancel the MCU now? Thanks for the heads up.
And by the way they certainly can be abused. I only wanted to point out that your information about the train station was wrong.
And Safechuck certainly could be abused later in the train station. Or He could have dealt with it in other ways. Because victims deal with it in different ways where they can be confused or get thoughts mingled. That doesn't make him a liar. It means that there are more things to clarify, not that he is lying.
So no I am not going to defend MJ because I don't know the truth and there is to much troubling information.
Hell, I can't even listen to him anymore.
I just wanted to clarify my point here.
Sunset driver is a beast of a song. Those first two albums were amazing. Lost interest after Thriller.
It was pretty wild. I remember a lot of people insisting it was just a PR stunt for the tour.
This is victim blaming. You're doubting the victim's credibility at best and their honesty at worst.
I will not PM you again. I will keep my cool. And you clearly didn't read the link I send you. Then you would know you are wrong. And please don't accuse me again that I tell that they are liars. Because I never said that. I also never said that Safechuck didn't go to Neverland when the train station was there. So please don't lay words in my mouth.
Thanks for dragging me into this with your false accusation.
That's just false. I am not victim blaming.
Also how am I doubting the victim's credibility?
I don't doubt their credibility. Then tell me the information around the train station?
And again I am getting dragged into this. I want to answer all your questions but I don't want to be banned again.
So I either could answer you or I can get banned if it is taken the wrong way. What do you want?
You posted a story calling in question the accuser's credibility. The article claims the information he gave wasn't true and frames the context as if he shouldn't be believed. What the fuck would you call it?
I remember my sister and I were driving to TCBY because they were all shutting down. And it seemed like every radio station was playing MJ. Quite the surreal experience, even if TCBY was bad.
I give in such accusations always the victims the benefit of the doubt. And this has always been my stance. Because victims need to be heard and always need to have a new trial in one way or another. And they need some sort of peace and justice for them.
And again like I have always said I would love a new trial. I want justice. I want all the information to come out. ALL OF IT.
And I never said they are liars, only that the information was wrong about the train station (There is even a photo of it and papers). That doesn't make either of them liars. Maybe he was abused longer then he said or maybe he misspoke or maybe the trauma is to painful and he placed it there. That doesn't make the victim or SafeChuck a liar or doesn't make the whole case untrue. It is something many victims go through. BUT I BELIEVE THEM AND THEY NEED A NEW TRIAL.
So I hope I have clarified it enough for you. And I hope I don't have to post in this thread anymore. Because I have to much respect for all the victims that I don't want to inflame stuff or minimize something. It is a very serious matter that needs all the attention of the world. And I don't care who is on the other side MJ another star or a parent or somebody else. I want all these predators and paedophiles punished for the lives they destroyed.
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