Not to mention the warning bells in the hallway leading to his room....completely normal.
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Michael Jackson died 10 years ago today (See Staff Post)
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Not to mention the warning bells in the hallway leading to his room....completely normal.
The hypocrisy from people on this site never fails to astound me
Everyone is getting a ban on this day. Best to just shut Reset down for the week.
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I appreciate the guidelines. I love talking about his music and impact on the medium but I don't begrudge anyone for talking about his personal life; it's an impossible thing to avoid considering the accusations.
You can remove the accusations and there's still a banquet of disgusting shit left.
Yeah, sure, but then he paid off the families of those kids. So philanthropic!
The nicest thing I can say about that piece of shit human is that in the past 10 years he hasn't raped anyone.
There are accounts from Brett Barnes and taj Jackson that the dinner that Wade is talking about took place after the trial, not before the trial. There were multiple people at that dinner. And they say it didn't happen like was described
Michael Jackson's lawyers could not use james testimony in the second trial. The judged barred it well in advance and his lawyers never called him
Wade's mom contradicts the timing of Wade's stories in a sworn court testimony that they were somewhere completely different (in the Grand canyon) when Wade alleges of abuse in the doc.
Jimmy made it a point that Michael stopped contacting him after he was like 14 or 15, but there are pictures of him being on set for film shoots because Michael hired him for help in the 90s.
Wade calls himself a master of deception in some court document.
Michael's defense attorney brought Wade in for questioning before using him in trial. According to the attorney they had a bunch of people they could use, but Wade was intent on talking and after being questioned by multiple people on the defense in mock trials, they felt that he was being honest at the time.
James's accounts and timing of the abuse doesn't line up with evidence of structures he says we're there and when they were actually built. The train station in Neverland wasn't built until a couple of years after the alleged abuse had taken place and there's a bit about euro Disney Land I cant remmeber
There are dates for the allegations where Michael was in a completely different place. This can be verified. I remember reading an account that he was in New York or Japan and there were receipts because of concerts or something. My memory is hazy on this point, but it's in a catch-all document I found.
Neverland was fully staffed. Because it was so large they had to have cameras and people everywhere. If the abuse happened in all of the places that they allege, they're essentially implicating at least dozens of people of being implicit.
There's more but I'm at work.
I guess it depends. If he was gifted it and just kept it, it's not a problem. I can't remember if he bought it himself. He had a massive library and was an art collector though. If you look at it from a common pov I can get it, but there's a lot of art where the nude body is shown in a way to highlight some aesthetic ideal. The issue here is that if we govern what is obscene, you fall down on a slippery slope. This is a big deal in the art world actually (I remember taking a law class about it).
Still, I get what you mean, but there are different perspectives to it
And rich, powerful, predatory, protected rapists gonna rape, am I right?
Greatest musical performer of all time.
Also one of the worst celebrities of all time.
Also one of the worst celebrities of all time.
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Have fun defending and championing a fucking pedophile....
How disgusting.
Innocent until proven guilty applies to a court room, not a message board.
Last time this community had someone going to bat for a pedophile it turned out he was one.
Yep, they're just trolls. Anyone that does it gets dumped right into the ignore list.
FWIW I absolutely think he's guilty of most of the things he's accused off, even if some of the details don' add up or whatever. But I believe the victims.
However, how are these any different to hit and run comments about him being a peadophile? Either way, doesn't seem like theres much actual discussion happening here.
PS Dirty Diana is objectively his best song. You're wrong if you think otherwise.
I'm not going to judge a dead man until there is sufficient proof (which I know you will all dogpile me for) but nor am I going to defend or attack Jackson, or his accusers.
All I'm saying here is that: he was a fantastic musician, and a great performer.
All I'm saying here is that: he was a fantastic musician, and a great performer.
I don't think they're all trolls. People genuinely believe he might have made mistakes but still think he's one of the greatest artists to ever live. That's not hyperbole.
The difference is he's dead and can't be offended. There are real living survivors of child abuse here that probably don't appreciate the praise. It should be pretty obvious.
For me it always comes back to the discussion about separating art and artist. There is no right or wrong answer. I, for the most part, can. Don't blame anybody who can't though.
Everyone seems to forget that farrah fawcett actually died the same day. Sad his death over shadows hers.
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I've never heard that. O_O
Not the song, but the "his best song." O_O
Just like the many artists, athletes, politicians, etc that have come before him and will come after him, he is a terribly flawed, maybe even evil, human being with an unbelievable talent that changed the course of history. I will always adore his music. Unquestionably my favorite artists of all time.
Intimating that someone is a pedophile with no proof is pretty disgusting.
Greatest pop artist ever, probably a terrible person. I'm not fully convinced but leaning towards that he did it, which would've made me boycott the music if he still lived. Now that his proceeds go to his children though, I hope listening to it can lead to some good at least. Just someone take care of Paris.
He made great music, made terrible decisions and was a generally bad guy. I know which of those things I consider more important when considering his "legacy" but that's just me.
Office has some of his songs playing on repeat today, productivity gonna go to shit, lol
So many timeless classics~~~
It's absolutely brilliant.
So many timeless classics~~~
Listen to The Weeknd's cover of DD.
It's absolutely brilliant.
Straight up lying about there not existing evidence (there is tons) to defend a pedophile is actually what's disgusting here.
Lying and defending someone who deserves no defense doesn't make you a pedophile. I understand that this is a sensitive subject for a lot of people, but calling that guy a pedophile for being wrong is disgusting.
....you seem to be unaware of the story I'm talking about where a mod of this community literally went to bat for a pediphile (like many are here) and legitimately turned out to be a pedophille
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