My understanding is that they have greater ability to do this than any other profession, but have to contribute a third of the money they make overseas to the Cuban communist party.
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Miami Herald: ‘We are not afraid!’ Cubans take to the streets to demand freedom, food, vaccines
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Here in Venezuela there were A LOT of Doctors and other healthcare workers sent here by the Cuban Government, a bunch of them took advantage and fled to other countries when things started to get really rough for us here.
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Ah, haha. Makes sense. Now that I think of it, I know of musicians having similar opportunities.
Thanks for sharing. I remember that being reported on at the time.
Wow, look at the "factual reporting" from these mainstream media totally not manufacturing consent and conforming to US imperialist agenda:
End the embargo and end the repression. Solidarity with anti authoritarians everywhere.
Cubanos...que vivan en PAZ, PROSPERIDAD, y LIBERTAD.
And may these problems be resolved peacefully.
Cubanos...que vivan en PAZ, PROSPERIDAD, y LIBERTAD.
And may these problems be resolved peacefully.
Good article from the IMT about the protests.
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Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
Protests in Cuba: defend the revolution! | Cuba | Americas
The situation in Cuba is serious. On Sunday 11 July, there were protests in various towns and cities in Cuba that have enjoyed widespread coverage in the international media (how could it be otherwise?) Where do these protests come from? What is their character? How should we, as...
www.marxist.com
Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
Good article from the IMT about the protests.
Protests in Cuba: defend the revolution! | Cuba | Americas
The situation in Cuba is serious. On Sunday 11 July, there were protests in various towns and cities in Cuba that have enjoyed widespread coverage in the international media (how could it be otherwise?) Where do these protests come from? What is their character? How should we, as...
Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
This is a shit article.
Good article from the IMT about the protests.
Protests in Cuba: defend the revolution! | Cuba | Americas
The situation in Cuba is serious. On Sunday 11 July, there were protests in various towns and cities in Cuba that have enjoyed widespread coverage in the international media (how could it be otherwise?) Where do these protests come from? What is their character? How should we, as...
Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
Amazing how human rights don't mean shit when they interfere with the "revolution".
Good article from the IMT about the protests.
Protests in Cuba: defend the revolution! | Cuba | Americas
The situation in Cuba is serious. On Sunday 11 July, there were protests in various towns and cities in Cuba that have enjoyed widespread coverage in the international media (how could it be otherwise?) Where do these protests come from? What is their character? How should we, as...
Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
Fuck that.
Good article from the IMT about the protests.
Protests in Cuba: defend the revolution! | Cuba | Americas
The situation in Cuba is serious. On Sunday 11 July, there were protests in various towns and cities in Cuba that have enjoyed widespread coverage in the international media (how could it be otherwise?) Where do these protests come from? What is their character? How should we, as...
Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
/s right?
Good article from the IMT about the protests.
Protests in Cuba: defend the revolution! | Cuba | Americas
The situation in Cuba is serious. On Sunday 11 July, there were protests in various towns and cities in Cuba that have enjoyed widespread coverage in the international media (how could it be otherwise?) Where do these protests come from? What is their character? How should we, as...
Defend the revolution. And a definite no to a fucking capitalist, imperialist intervention.
As someone who is family (in-laws) to Cubans and has seen firsthand how things are over there, you can fuck riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight off with this Shit.
The human rights aspect is everything to us.
Better than whatever the fuck Americans consider a "humane approach":
"Liberty achieved yeeeaaaaah!"
Human rights is everything to you, and you support the Cuban regime? LMFAOThe human rights aspect is everything to us.
Better than whatever the fuck Americans consider a "humane approach":
"Liberty achieved yeeeaaaaah!"
And here we go again bringing up the US. "But the Americans did [insert atrocity here]" is not a proper defense of the Cuban government. It isn't the checkmate all of you think it is.
The human rights aspect is everything to us.
Better than whatever the fuck Americans consider a "humane approach":
"Liberty achieved yeeeaaaaah!"
Oh shit I'm being criticized for supporting civilians being beat up, arrested, detained for peaceful protest and having their right to free speech being suppressed, let me post some U.S intervention gif as a gotcha.
If human rights are a priority for the Cuban government, stop cutting off internet access and interfering with civilian communications. Stop characterizing and suppressing peaceful protest as anti-revolutionary activity.
I mean literally it's the same shit yall bitch about when it happens to protests supporting your ideological goals, what the ever living fuck is wrong with just letting people enjoy human rights no matter what their ideology is?
Who and what said I did? I said I am against the counter-revolution and against the capitalist influence, like the embargo that STILL is ongoing by America in particular that Biden hasn't raised a fucking finger to fix from Trumps harsher program, I don't have to support the Cuban government in particular for that. Heck, the fucking article itself it critical of the government as well and that shit you just completely miss somehow!
Also, ya'll just completely fucking glossed over Lemonade's post on the matter. So, yeah, I fucking stand firm where I am with my fellow workers.
Quit your strawmanning. There is literally 1 poster in this entire thread who was in favor of military intervention, and that poster is justifiably banned. And they weren't even American!The human rights aspect is everything to us.
Better than whatever the fuck Americans consider a "humane approach":
"Liberty achieved yeeeaaaaah!"
If human rights were everything to you, why go to bat for a revolution that threw gay people into forced labor camps? The fact that there was no profit incentive to the exploitation doesn't make it any better. In fact, socialist revolutions have never needed a profit motive excuse to exploit people.
"Gee, this forced labor camp sure is rough, but at least there's no capitalist exploiting the surplus value of my labor!"
Just like yall glossing over the Cubans and Cuban Americans relaying their anecdotes from the island in this thread huh?
The working class will never be free if their right to organize and protest is being suppressed.
It really isn't.
I know what I'm talking about. My wife grew up in East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Sounds like they all just copied the photo from AP.
what about the articles themselves?
You mean the one where they complain about mainstream media and then post a Twitter account that uses Grayzone, a site of a Uyghur genocide denialist as a source for some of their tweets. Yes that's a real reliable source.
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I don't have to defend that at all. I can support the revolution that kicked out a US. backed mass murdering dictator and still criticise it for poor subsequent decisions.
I can firmly, fully, say with all of my heart:
No, you don't.
Very fucking clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. I can with 99.99% certainty claim you have never opened up a single page of socialist theory.
Whatever, I am out of this thread, peace and fuck America. Lift the goddamn embargo already.
You posted an article defending the revolution. Then you wrote "defend the revolution" under it.
See, here is the thing. Theory isn't reality.
Tell me, what first hand experience do you have living in under a Marxist government?
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This is so horrendously patronizing. Theory is no substitute for lived experience, especially when attempts at implementation seem to so consistently eschew what the theory dictates they should do. I mean, I know that Engels was a nasty homophobe, but where in your theory did it say that gay people, political prisoners shall be thrown into forced labor camps, or that society shall be cleansed of its "social scum" (aka, sex workers, gay people, etc...)?
Pretty much the only thing the revolution had going for it is that it was better than Fulgencio Batista. But Fulgencio Batista is long gone and the Cuban people can strive for something better--on their own terms, however they decide, and without US intervention.
ACAB. Unless they serve the right kind of authoritarianism, then they're helping defend the revolution. All imperialism is bad. Unless it waves a communist flag (and at the same time might not be "real communism"). All trade by the US is evil exploitation of the global south and weakens proud socialist countries. Unless it's Cuba, then the embargo is just an attempt to starve Cuba into submission.
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I don't want to dogpile Keasar because I agree that most Western media will have an anti-regime bias. I'm sure the coverage on the ground is slanted against it. I think it's good to take sources with different biases and combine them for a more complete picture. And that article is honest about its intense bias.
I strongly disagree that an article which defends the government's actions and attempts to appropriate or delegitimize the protests against it should be described as "good," but I think it was posted in good faith and don't want to attack someone just for sharing their take.
Cuba currently has the bases of outstanding educational and healthcare systems and exceptional art. It's reasonable for people to fear that overthrowing the regime, which is the goal of many opponents of the regime, would result in the devastation of these systems and therefore even worse conditions in the country. And the opposition has no political leader and no plan for replacing the regime. I know protestors who worry about these things. They are against the regime; not against the country or its successes. They take great pride in their institutions, and they believe -- perhaps idealistically -- that they can have freedom without sacrificing these things. Not unlike progressives elsewhere who believe they can improve their institutions without sacrificing their freedom.
I strongly disagree that an article which defends the government's actions and attempts to appropriate or delegitimize the protests against it should be described as "good," but I think it was posted in good faith and don't want to attack someone just for sharing their take.
Cuba currently has the bases of outstanding educational and healthcare systems and exceptional art. It's reasonable for people to fear that overthrowing the regime, which is the goal of many opponents of the regime, would result in the devastation of these systems and therefore even worse conditions in the country. And the opposition has no political leader and no plan for replacing the regime. I know protestors who worry about these things. They are against the regime; not against the country or its successes. They take great pride in their institutions, and they believe -- perhaps idealistically -- that they can have freedom without sacrificing these things. Not unlike progressives elsewhere who believe they can improve their institutions without sacrificing their freedom.
I asked for unbiased sources before and everything I've read so far has been biased. But then that's not a surprise.
If you want a *really* biased source, then here is an article by Cuban communists in support of the protests and against the government's heavy-handed response.
The only thing they take mild issue with is the slogan "Patria y vida" ("it is the wrong slogan," they say). No mentions of embargos, of US imperialism, or of a need to "defend the revolution."
Frankly I don't think it's possible to have an unbiased source on Cuba.
I did find this to be a useful analysis of some of the problems. It's a socialist but non-Leninist source.
Yes, I'm still waiting.
As long as everybody understands the difference between liberal and leftist, this issue should pass. We just need to study socialist theory and get out there and make it work, yeah?
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The Financial Times is still using the photo. The other sources are not. Based on the time stamp in the NYT picture, I assume they were initially uploaded with the wrong picture and updated shortly thereafter with the correct media (I think they all have videos now). That picture doesn't seem to have made it to print in those papers.
The Twitter user caught a mistake in old versions of articles that have, for the most part, since been corrected in order to delegitimize Western reporting on the protests and therefore, somehow, the protests themselves. As evidenced by the next post in the thread which is an effort to portray the Cuban regime as a benevolent institution spreading free medical education to the world while it beats and arrests peaceful protestors into submission.
If the Cuban government is so great for its people, why is it so afraid of legalizing political opposition?
I responded to the post, hope that satisfies you. Speaking of your fellow workers, earlier we were having a discussion about Cuba selling its medical workers to foreign countries and paying them barely anything while reaping all the rewards for itself. Why don't those workers receive the benefits of their labor? Instead the government sells their work for oil, which it uses to send police and military conveys around arresting peaceful protestors while telling Cubans there isn't enough gas for the ambulances to run, or to pick up the dead. Is that socialism? Do those (medical) workers own the means of production (of the services they provide)?
It's extremely difficult to find completely unbiased sources on anything. Much more difficult on a highly charged issue like this. Basically impossible in a country like Cuba, especially if you don't read Spanish! Best thing you can do is combine different sources and cross-check info.
People here will ask for peer-reviewed sources that Cuba is bad...
Thanks for them.
Yea definitely. Even just reporting facts has bias in how and which ones you mention. And that's what I'm doing, reading as much as I can, though I can't read Spanish and online translators aren't great.
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A friend told us that the police went to his girlfriend's home to arrest her, but she managed to hide -- I don't know the details, maybe she wasn't there.
Similarly, there's this clip from a Spanish news show where a Cuban youtuber was allegedly arrested mid-interview:
You don't see or hear the police, I guess it's just explained that that's what's happening, so if anyone wants to be skeptical about it being some kind of stunt they have a right to be. But I can tell you the police are going to people's homes to arrest them for protesting.
One of the arrested/missing named in the list I posted previously is Spanish journalist Camila Acosta. She must have been arrested no later than yesterday, and I believe the most recent report is that there is no information available to Spanish media or the Spanish government as to her whereabouts.
Similarly, there's this clip from a Spanish news show where a Cuban youtuber was allegedly arrested mid-interview:
You don't see or hear the police, I guess it's just explained that that's what's happening, so if anyone wants to be skeptical about it being some kind of stunt they have a right to be. But I can tell you the police are going to people's homes to arrest them for protesting.
One of the arrested/missing named in the list I posted previously is Spanish journalist Camila Acosta. She must have been arrested no later than yesterday, and I believe the most recent report is that there is no information available to Spanish media or the Spanish government as to her whereabouts.
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Thankfully -- Suarez, a republican mayor, has about as much sway over the state department as Kristi Noem, the governor of South Dakota does over deploying troops to the border with Mexico.
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Military intervention is a terrible idea and the reasonable protestors know it.
Bob Menendez (chair of the foreign relations committee) was on MSNBC earlier, saying a bunch of shit that will piss off everyone in this thread, but the actions he suggested are maintaining messaging of support for the protests, warning the Cuban military not to engage in violence against them, using satellites to provide internet services on the island, and expanding the conversation internationally. Definitely no suggestion of air strikes, thankfully. The internet service mention was interesting as I've been hearing protestors suggest that since the outages. I suppose that's a type of intervention, but if it's literally just providing free internet access to the country then I don't really see the downside.
I guess this is to attempt to dissuade Diaz-Canel from resolving the situation the same way Castro did in '94.
Bob Menendez (chair of the foreign relations committee) was on MSNBC earlier, saying a bunch of shit that will piss off everyone in this thread, but the actions he suggested are maintaining messaging of support for the protests, warning the Cuban military not to engage in violence against them, using satellites to provide internet services on the island, and expanding the conversation internationally. Definitely no suggestion of air strikes, thankfully. The internet service mention was interesting as I've been hearing protestors suggest that since the outages. I suppose that's a type of intervention, but if it's literally just providing free internet access to the country then I don't really see the downside.
I guess this is to attempt to dissuade Diaz-Canel from resolving the situation the same way Castro did in '94.
Yes, that and for the Fox News viewer which was aired..
My guess is that Biden is going to come in closer to where Obama ended up (which makes sense since he was part of the Administration that dropped the embargo and normalized relations), but I doubt he'll begin reproachment during this protest.
Well of course they are arresting people, that's what they do. I hope they end up free and safe at some point but who knows.
This is unbelievable, human rights means everything until it's people under a dictatorship that opposes the US which clearly you hate with a passion, then fuck those people. As usual it's some free person online who can spew whatever garbage they feel cause they live in a free country telling people who aren't free to be content with their dictatorship and lack of rights just so they can be anti US. Brilliant.
It's probably the only option at this point.
I guess they could keep the Trump era arrangements in place and hope that finishes the government off but you wouldn't exactly hold your breathe on that working when it comes to Cuba.