Yeah man. Even though kojima is making death stranding it won't be the same without the characters of mgs.
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MGSV is the best controlling third-person shooter ever made. Nothing comes close.
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Ghost recon Wildlands controlling better than MGSV has to be the most bizarre opinion I have ever seen. MGSV absolutely demolishes Recon mechanically. The no of actions, the responsiveness etc.. are on another level.
I can even understand Uncharted or MP as good controlling games but Wildlands is terrible.
You ARE slipping over the environment and you can use mods to increase or decrease the friction.
Certainly not junky. It plays exactly how its supposed to.
I mean, TPS is kind of a broad term. The way something like Uncharted 4 controls wouldn't fit at all for MGSV, and vice versa. But yeah, for stealth or more "tactical" kind of games, I can't think of anything that feels better than MGSV. Handles like a dream.
Except that doesn't translate to satisfying feedback and feels like you're not properly connecting with the environment.
And Janky* it's been janky as hell since closed beta.
Sounds more like a framerate issue.
Every game directly controlling something is extremely clunky running with <= 30 fps.
And MGSV is one of the only 60fps TPS on consoles, so there's an obvious explanation.
e.g. GTAV 30fps vs. 60 fps is worlds apart. That's precisely the reason why I won't bother with RDR2 on consoles.
Every game directly controlling something is extremely clunky running with <= 30 fps.
And MGSV is one of the only 60fps TPS on consoles, so there's an obvious explanation.
e.g. GTAV 30fps vs. 60 fps is worlds apart. That's precisely the reason why I won't bother with RDR2 on consoles.
It's mostly the control scheme and fluidity of moving in between all the various positions. It's incredibly intuitive and fluid.
It controls wonderfully. Unfortunately, the grander structure and storytelling completely lets it down.
I feel like an insane person, because I do love all these games and have played a ton of Third Person shooters.
But for some reason, Last of Us is my favorite shooter feel. I just don't like shooting things in Gears of War or MGSV, the melee is more satisfying to me.
Whereas taking someones head off with a revolver in TLoU feels very rewarding.
With that said, I still think moving around and control wise MGSV feels great.
(Don't worry I'm a game artist not a combat designer)
But for some reason, Last of Us is my favorite shooter feel. I just don't like shooting things in Gears of War or MGSV, the melee is more satisfying to me.
Whereas taking someones head off with a revolver in TLoU feels very rewarding.
With that said, I still think moving around and control wise MGSV feels great.
(Don't worry I'm a game artist not a combat designer)
Cant agree with that at all. Some of the frames feel very weighty compared to others.
However, regarding the controlling of the frames, which this thread is about, its much better than MGS V.
It's nowhere near the level of MSGV, and largely to do with the fact the frames don't feel like they connect with the environment.
Max Payne 3 is pretty close, but yeah, Phantom Pain's handling is dabomb. Ground Zeroes, too, except for a few wonky things like diving that they tightened up (but I love how heavy and physical the running in GZ is. PP gets slightly too floaty -- still great though)
This guy/gal knows what's up.I love how MGSV controls, Vanquish though:
For me personally the tightest controls in a TPS.
Yet connecting with the environment, which I disagree with anyway, is not about the controls, which Warframe is better at.
MGSV felt solid to me, but the overwhelming praise it gets on these boards, as far as controls are concerned, is a bit weird to me. I remember there still being a bit of Metal Gear jank in there and not loving the feel of the weapons. It is a massive upgrade over MGS 3 and 4, but I'd still put titles like Gears of War 4 and Uncharted 4 (criminally underrated) above it on my personal list.
So is MGSV.
At least Wildlands is polished and the shooting is miles better than MGSV in every way.
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MGSV controls like sex. It's so fucking good. Say what you will about the open world structure and disjointed narrative, it controls like a goddamn dream.
This was all too apparent when I was playing RDR2 and just kept screaming at my screen ""WHY CAN'T YOU BE LIKE MGSV?!"
Coincidentally, NakeyJakey addressed this pretty well:
This was all too apparent when I was playing RDR2 and just kept screaming at my screen ""WHY CAN'T YOU BE LIKE MGSV?!"
Coincidentally, NakeyJakey addressed this pretty well:
Saying "oh it's just 60 fps" is pretty disengenuous. If that was the case every TPS on PC would be comparable.
Lol surrender what? So I can't voice my opinion because most Era members love MGSV over GR?
MGSV doest even come close to the shooting mechanics of GR Wildlands.
It is part of the feedback you feel while controlling, which is an undeniable part of the experience.
And MGSV is better at it, by leaps and bounds, which Warframe tries to excel at more but doesn't quite make the jump.
can't wait to see how Death Stranding character will feel like, since it's not the Fox Engine but it's the Decima Engine. Aloy was pretty good to control, tho a bit more agile to my taste, I like more heavy grounded character like Snake.
We will see.
We will see.
I don't know about nothing comes close when we've git stuff like Vanquish, but MGSV is definitley great.
That's part of the secret sauce, I think. Snake often animates and feels grounded to the environment, but the control response is nimble. The combination of moves that hold weight but don't hinder reaction makes it a cut above. Compare it to Division or Wildlands, like anytime you're low crawling on dirt in GR you may as well be shimmying on a polished kitchen floor. There's no weight to anything in that game, making controls feel unintrusive but anemic.
Ok then.
I love MGS.
I own Ground Z and bought V at launch... and never played it.
I've never played V because I'm completely shit at controlling mc on GZ, everything is super clunky and to "win" I had to resort to mark every enemies which felt like cheating and simply gun them down, bit Rambo-ish, totally different to how I love (and was able to) approach MGS2 and 3, where I'd do the craziest stealthy stuff... so rewarding.
I've seen enough praise to know that I'm the one failing and not the game, just can't seem to be able to click with it so I need you guys' help: what's the best video series teaching how to "properly" play the game and get good?
I love MGS.
I own Ground Z and bought V at launch... and never played it.
I've never played V because I'm completely shit at controlling mc on GZ, everything is super clunky and to "win" I had to resort to mark every enemies which felt like cheating and simply gun them down, bit Rambo-ish, totally different to how I love (and was able to) approach MGS2 and 3, where I'd do the craziest stealthy stuff... so rewarding.
I've seen enough praise to know that I'm the one failing and not the game, just can't seem to be able to click with it so I need you guys' help: what's the best video series teaching how to "properly" play the game and get good?
Ya MGSV controls wonderfully. Up there with Vanquish and Gears of War for best controlling TPS for me.
I can't really agree for a few reasons.
Splinter Cell: Blacklist just plain feels better to play than MGS V. It's so much more fluid. Movement works so much better. Traversal works so much better. And the melee and shooting feel better. (Also, its GUI is way, way, way better on PC compared to MGS V.)
- The game's traversal is outright terrible. Snake is stumped by gentle slopes. Getting him to go where you want to go is more frustrating than it should be.
- The game's melee is weightless and has essentially zero inertia meaning that once you hit the melee button Snake loses all momentum and feebly punches at the air instead of carrying the blow forward.
- The game's interface design on PC is dismal. Performing simple actions is a clunky chore.
- The game's gunplay is... okay. But it has that same vague sense of weightlessness that Peace Walker did. Shooting someone with bullets and shooting them with darts doesn't really feel meaningfully different.
- The game's diving mechanic is extremely clunky and stiff compared to contemporaries. Even Max Payne 2 back in 2003 had better feeling diving.
Splinter Cell: Blacklist just plain feels better to play than MGS V. It's so much more fluid. Movement works so much better. Traversal works so much better. And the melee and shooting feel better. (Also, its GUI is way, way, way better on PC compared to MGS V.)
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MGSV is so god damned meticulously designed, animated, and programmed... there is so much nuance and detail that you just don't see in any other game. I can burn an entire weekend just messing around in that world because it's so enjoyable and satisfying to control. KojiPro and Fox Engine are capable of miracles and it kills me that Death Stranding isn't built on it.
There's some issues with elevation on traversal, that's true, but on the second point, there's a running punch in the game that exemplifies your 'carrying the blow forward' better than any game you mentioned sans Watch Dogs. Calling V weightless while praising Ubisoft's games broadly is odd. Blacklist is solid, but Sam's jog is floaty and he moves slicker than Spiderman when he's climbing over things like he's 10 pounds. From 1:17 to 1:26 in your clip he glides weightlessly across the catwalk then falls into an awkward melee animation with no impact.
Watch Dogs might be a better example as I remember Aiden having some heft. Blacklist does some cool stuff with cqc animations, but again, controls to an extent that they sacrifice impact for fluidity resulting in moves that too often hit like bad movie choreography.
I mentioned in another post that it's V's ability to mesh the look of weight with the responsive action, and that's it's biggest differentiator. Something like Assassin's Creed is very smooth. It's smooth like the world is a playground of friction-less glass. I guess at that point it's subjective as to what feels better.
Disagree. Played 68 hours of MGS V and while the gameplay was great and stealth excellent, the shooting mechanics felt stiff and clunky. Personally, The Division has the best pure shooting mechanics and gunplay because it's so fluid, smooth and responsive. MGS V, not even close. Not to mention the fact that I wouldn't exactly describe MGS V as a shooter and if I did, it would probably be fourth or fifth on the list of what I believe the game is. But to each their own.
I think I have to agree with you OP. MGSV controls pretty much flawlessly and has the best gameplay of any third person game I've played of the last two generations.
And this right here is what people seem to ignore, particularly when addressing game feel. There isn't a universal standard, we all engage with and respond to character reaction / movement / weight / animation in different ways.
As an example, I for one loved the weight, response, animation and movement in Shadow of the Colossus; it reflected a sense of constant struggle, the helplessness of the world, and the mammoth battles I was taking on, and made things more intense. It felt "right" to me.
As for the OP's argument, yes, I fully agree, MGS V's controls felt spectacular.
I saw the thread the other day, and after mulling over it for a while, I guess I'm inclined to agree. I didn't like MGSV's story, characters, ancillary systems, structure, or even its missions, but I cannot deny that Snake controls beautifully. You always feel in control, and manage to do exactly what you want, in spite of the wealth of options at your disposal. You can tell this game was in a prototyping phase for an incredibly long time, trying to get the basics right. It's just a shame that its protracted development resulted in Konami setting ultimatums, resulting in a really uneven final product.
MGS V controls are not intuitive AT ALL. Jesus, how can we even have MGS V and Vanquish aka GOATcontrols.