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Metro: Exodus sold 2.5x more than Metro: Last Light on Steam launch aligned
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How is it Steam/Valve information ?
I'll tell you what: Numbers can be revealed if the publisher wish. Heck, how do you think they could get that "2.5x more" figure from a selected period ? :)
Valve has no saying in which a developper publish their own numbers.
Because it's launch aligned. So I wonder as Exodus was on preorder two weeks before release on EGS, does it mean 2 weeks of preorder for Last Light too, since it's aligned ? Does it account for sales on the store or keys redeemed too from physical copies ?
Because it would give Steam's numbers by proxy and because they are trade secrets
Just luke Sony, Nintendo and MS don't share raw data with you
Or... gasp.. Valve
They aren't trade secrets. Devs can freely publish their Steam numbers.
If that's that case I believe the "sold 2.5X more than Steam" is misleading. Not the number itself but the fact they're throwing numbers out to the public who won't actually think about how many other avenues were available to purchase the previous game from.
It's like if McDonalds said proudly that it sold 1 billion more Big Macs than Burger King.
That's neat and all but a bit misleading.
What, if they had given sales numbers for their own store you wouldn't know how it did in comparison to Steam. They said 2.5x because it probably did something like 60-70k and that doesn't sound anywhere near as good.
Epic can't publish Valve's numbers.
Are you going to keep arguing in bad faith?
You want them to be successful enough to not pull the exclusivity shenanigans. I agree with the experience for consumers, EGS should not be rewarded for releasing a bare-bone store site with exclusivity attached.
Since they don't give any actual numbers, I tried to see what Google had.
https://www.destructoid.com/metro-ll-first-week-sales-surpass-2033-lifetime-sales-254953.phtml
https://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/metro-2033-sales-reach-1-5-million/
The second quote means 1.5 million 2033 sales on PC/360 after 26-27 months. And LL, across more platforms, sold as much in one week as 2033 in three months. And it's hard to speculate from there. I feel like the EGS number is not over 500k though, or roughly around where Steam is from pre-orders alone, according to Steamspy.
Pretty much.
Steam DmC Devil May Cry ( 2013 ) peak player : 5,731, peak player Devil May Cry 5 : 88,735.
If DMC 5 was EGS exclusive and sold 2.5x time more than DMC, it would be presented as a victory too.
But "blahblahblah moving goal post" :ignore factual number:
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Epic can't publish Deep Silver numbers. Deep Silver are the one to disclose THEIR numbers.
The goalpost moving is hilarious. First it was "good luck" and the game would bomb without Steam. Then people tried to pretend Steam sales were part of this announcement. Next it's "the last game was 6 years ago". Then "highly promoted sequel, blah, blah, blah".
Whatever it takes, right? People can't just accept that maybe they aren't as dialed in as they thought and that maybe the rest of the world doesn't care about your attachment to a game launcher.
And why do I keep see the same 5 or so people in every thread pulling this shit? I can't wait until the next EGS success thread, I'm sure same people will be in there trying to tell the rest of us why it's not really a success...lol.
Whatever it takes, right? People can't just accept that maybe they aren't as dialed in as they thought and that maybe the rest of the world doesn't care about your attachment to a game launcher.
And why do I keep see the same 5 or so people in every thread pulling this shit? I can't wait until the next EGS success thread, I'm sure same people will be in there trying to tell the rest of us why it's not really a success...lol.
It also puts Exodus at 200k-500k owners on steam which would seem to be higher than whatever it sold on EGS. But who knows how accurate the numbers are
Never realized last light did so poorly before redux showed up
Whatever it takes ? Pretty simple: Transparent numbers, not some cryptic wording without any specific period. :)
Next: "Playing games during release week wasn't that cool 6 years ago"
The game was also supposed to have received a whole lot of backlash that should have dampened sales. Certainly on this forum quite a number of folks outright confirmed they were boycotting it..
Unless - of course - you're insinuating that the backlash is largely confined to a vocal minority.
There is certainly no way Metro Exodus is selling close to 5 million copies on PC so...
You understand that direct sales comparisons between two stores giving out numbers for both of them by proxy is a no no in the industry right?
Even past games PR gave sales across all systems and is the standard in the industry unless it's an exclusive and will remain so.
Just look at any Switch success story with only pies and pourcentages and launch aligned comparisons. This is how it works. If you want more numbers start with Valve instead of barging on calling the numbers and the PR disingenuous
How is that a no-no ?
A lot of indie devs actually shared split between stores such as GoG or Steam or even console ones.
The reason it doesn't happen with Switch success stories is that console manufacturers dont allow it. Valve does though.
So in regards to what is actually wrong with the actual data given it is quite simple, we have not been given actual sales numbers but rather a more carefully worded data point that is contorting the image. That is to say that Metro Exodus is probably an EGS success story but not as much as hoped. To wit, you will notice that we have been given actual download numbers for the free games.
The thing people aren't really accounting for is that even if we're talking about 50-60k sales on the EGS, there were over 10k concurrent players on Steam on launch day. Which means it's likely there's at least as many sales in just the preorder period on Steam. It's bonkers to think that EGS didn't dampen overall sales.
Welcome to the games industry. "Transparent numbers" are rare, not the norm. Don't expect them.
I mean they need something to do since they have nothing to play while all of their games are moving off of Steam for a year lmao
I literally don't know, I just wish the number was less vague because this 2.5x ain't telling me much.
Transparent numbers are not rare when they are favorable to the narrative. Which just maybe isn't the case here.
They shared splits
They never shared numbers and they're usually by systems (Switch/PC/Ps4 etc)
Go into the NPD thread and by all means call out Matt for his shaddy and disingenuous numbers and worded PRs
They also shared numbers sometimes. It all depends if there's a console release or not.
There are devs that disclose how many games they sold on PC/Switch/XboxOne/PS4/etc. :lol
edit: e.g YCG: https://yachtclubgames.com/2018/04/two-million-copies-of-shovel-knight-sold/
"Shovel Knight hit 2 million sales! That's unreal! What does that look like per platform? Let's take a closer look:
lmao, you dont even have a proper argument for such a vague number being thrown at a slide. You yhourself have no idea yet you defend egs like a blind sheep cause what? oh thats right, competition.
Outselling by more than double a predecessor seems pretty good to me.
Sure, link us to actual numbered splits. (As in, exact sales numbers for each and every store).
The only country we have that information for is Japan for the console market thabks to Famtsu/MC/Dengeki
2.5x the sales could be almost any number, this is a marketing tactic more than anything else.
It's not just Epic that does this, MS, Sony and Nintendo have done the same thing. I want to see actual sales data before I make any judgeements on the viability of games on the EGS store.
It's not just Epic that does this, MS, Sony and Nintendo have done the same thing. I want to see actual sales data before I make any judgeements on the viability of games on the EGS store.
boy I am shocked that there was so much marketing department-designed nuance in this slide and so many people just taking it at face value.
How many copies of Last Light were sold, lifetime? Without that, we have no starting point of reference.
How many copies of Exodus were sold or keys otherwise activated on Steam? We have no insights.
Does this include pre-orders that had their keys switched to EGS? We aren't told.
These things are supposed to matter, folks. Not "hur dur goal posts" and "hur dur good luck".
So many disingenuous posters in here. Quite telling who the cheerleaders are.
How many copies of Last Light were sold, lifetime? Without that, we have no starting point of reference.
How many copies of Exodus were sold or keys otherwise activated on Steam? We have no insights.
Does this include pre-orders that had their keys switched to EGS? We aren't told.
These things are supposed to matter, folks. Not "hur dur goal posts" and "hur dur good luck".
So many disingenuous posters in here. Quite telling who the cheerleaders are.
Yeah I sure as hell bought it on Steam and it became the top seller on Steam instantly when it was announced it would be exclusive to a shittier platform for a year. I was originally gonna wait for reviews but that drove me to go and preorder it.
More than anything, I'm bothered by the amount of people rolling with "lol 2.5x" when you've seemingly been given concrete numbers for every other game but this one.
Like, LL could have sold 2 copies on Steam and Exodus 5 copies on EGS and the people would be cheering. It's the logic of it.
Like, LL could have sold 2 copies on Steam and Exodus 5 copies on EGS and the people would be cheering. It's the logic of it.
Nice, this dude has been shit posting the entire thread. Most of these people don't use pc as a platform.