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Methane is leaking from a massive permafrost reservoir under the Laptev Sea
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Just wait until we find all the cows that were hiding under the permafrost.
This is frightening. We're hitting all the feedback loop scenarios...
Yeah, all those "Let's just move humanity North" scenarios forget that the North gets equally fucked, just in different ways
Like, it's not just a few ordinary sinkholes, you're dealing with this:
Yeah, all those "Let's just move humanity North" scenarios forget that the North gets equally fucked, just in different ways
Like, it's not just a few ordinary sinkholes, you're dealing with this:
This is frightening. We're hitting all the feedback loop scenarios...
Yeah, all those "Let's just move humanity North" scenarios forget that the North gets equally fucked, just in different ways
Like, it's not just a few ordinary sinkholes, you're dealing with this:
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Yes. And i believe a majority of people would have made the sacrifices necessary to reverse all of this, and even better, learn the lessons that would allows us to mature as a species in taking care of ourselves, each other, and the planet. If we'd had good leadership whose intentions were to help us. The sacrifices wouldn't have even been difficult back in the 1980s when the science was incontrovertible and governments were starting to take action, before the corporations stepped in to stop them and propagandised the rest of us to doubt.
Instead, we are lead by sociopaths; the worst people to lead. Solely concerned with themselves and their short-term greed. The fact Trump was President for 4 of the most crucial years is the epitome of this. And of course, he removed the regulations combating methane leaks amongst all the other damage he wrought.
I'm never giving up, but I am not hopeful. Some of us may survive.
A Massive Methane Reservoir Is Lurking Beneath the Sea - Eos
Scientists have found a methane reservoir below the permafrost seabed of the Laptev Sea—a reservoir that could suddenly release large amounts of the potent greenhouse gas.eos.org
Seems bad and the timing with all these government methane announcements is a little concerning.
Combined with what's currently happening in the Arctic and Siberia and leaders have good reason to be spooked.
We could be looking at a runaway climate event. It's imperative that we get to zero emissions as soon as physically possible.
So what the fuck is that well hit 1.5 this year thing about, like is this it or what
Why? he is 70 and probably won't live long enough to see the effects of this.
It really shits me that we still have to argue with people that think that climate models are overestimates when it's been painfully clear for years that they're actually underestimates
And the people who made the mess in the first place are probably going to be the ones getting paid to clean it up.
This is really bad, and only the beginning. We are going to start seeing more and more news like this every year until it's all too overwhelming and we can't combat it anymore.
Our parents and grandparents generation will be remembered solely for this. Greed and selfishness.
Our parents and grandparents generation will be remembered solely for this. Greed and selfishness.
Ours too. In the history books, we get to be the generation known for fucking away precious time on stupid make believe virtual coins.
Why? It is ours too. Doesn't matter if old or young. We could also do our part against it with using less electricity, traveling and online shopping and other stuff.
We are all in this boat together
Or just not producing and using oil, methane, coal. We don't need a society based on growth.
Don't think Putin is in it for himself. He's ex-KGB, he wants to bring back Russia as imperialist power. If climate change weakens Russia that's bad for him
I don't know how old you are but I belong to the generation that demonstrated massively against climate change, the Greta generation. I'm only a few years older than her.
Incidentally, my field of work is fighting climate change.
Gotta think that would be one big explosion. Plus, it would produce incredible amounts of carbon dioxide.
Well I'm one of the last "millennials" and also went to those protests. And gen z and millennial are part of the "fast fashion" so yeah, we are also a big part of it and have to try to do better.
That's what I'm saying with "we all are in the same boat".
Do we have any way to convert already released methane in the atmosphere into CO2? Breaking the methane down would at least reduce its impact but the density is likely not enough that you could just light a match in the upper atmosphere and have it all burn away. Some sort of catalyst we could scatter up there?
I don't agree with you. Young people buy fast fashion because previous generations fucked up their wages so much they can't afford better.
We can't blame young people for not knowing better before they've barely had time to learn and have yet to reach positions of power. The reality is the generations before millennials didn't just ruin the environment; they ruined the middle and low classes to a point where those young people start life with crippling debt, both personal and societal. With that debt we have to fight climate change.
Look at how much of society can't even be bothered to socially distance and wear their fucking masks during a global pandemic with over 3 million deaths and counting. So much of our society is still unmoved by all suffering around them, still not willing to put the well-being of humanity as a whole ahead of their own selfish desires. And still fighting even the most basic science.
My understanding is that the tipping point happened quite a while back, like in the last couple of decades, but that the ramifications take many years to manifest.
It's only gonna get faster from here, though.
It was really the final nail in the (admittedly already long-buried) coffin for me. People will fight against any compromises to their bitter ends.
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I made a thread about that a long time ago and everybody called me a defeatist lol
That idiot will be dead of old age before either oof those dates most likely.
"Fuck you, got mine" in a nutshell.
So... did we reach some kind of self fulfilling prophecy now? Like... it's warm, permafrost is melting and with this - methane is leaking... methane is increasing the temperatures which leads to even faster and more permafrost melting, which is leaking even more methane again.. yes/no? Wouldn't this mean it's (we're) done?
The fact that scientists think this reservoir probably contains more methane than what is currently in the atmosphere is horrifying. Barrow Atmospheric Baseline Observatory in Alaska also recorded a significant increase in the concentration of methane last year. I'd be curious to see what they are seeing right now.
Methane surging last year with massively decreased car use, air travel, and factories shuttered or impacted by covid is hugely worrying by itself.
Hahaha.....fuck.
Can't wait for the most desperate form of geo engineering we will surely attempt if things get truly bad. We will find a way somehow to create an even bigger mess.
Yep... enjoy your stay and try not to accelerate inevitable shitshow any further by your own actions.
No, climate change will slowly make things worse for the foreseeable future, most of that will manifest as socio-economic problems in different parts of the world.
That's not any more comforting tbh, socio-economic inequality already kills millions every year. I hope we can find a way to stop this.
The one good thing about methane is it only lasts 12 years in the atmosphere before it breaks down (compared to 120 years for CO2).
So I'm no expert but I would imagine by eliminating the methane sources we can eliminate (gas leaks, cattle, also apparently flooded rice fields) we could still avoid the worst case scenario
Just doing that fast enough (or well, at all, tbh) is the problem
I've been terrified for years, didn't some research team a few years back already claim the "clathrate gun" was already fired?
Sure, just annoying to see all the doom criers preaching the imminent end of humanity when even in the worst scenarios it's hundreds of years away.
Seems to be a valid thing to be concerned about given the fact that climate change isn't really slowing down. Hundreds of years or not, a lot of people are still going to die.
You're probably right but good luck enforcing that. Do this for the decades we would need to and you'll find even the likes of Xinping and Putin being toppled pretty fast. I know I'll be accused of being defeatist but humanity in years to come is screwed. We'll feel some of it but who's living 100/200 years from now are absolutely gonna live in some horrible place beyond our imagination.
We need to invest in renewables, in robotics and AI, in space exploration and creating new places for us to live. The Earth will remain habitable for sure but it's gonna be tougher and tougher to survive and somethings gonna give with mass populations being forced to move.
Hey now hey now, THE NEXT generation is fucked. We will be out of here before it really goes to complete shit.
Yes, we should be worried about it. But reading how we're all going to die every environment thread is misleading when there's plenty we can and need to still do, even if the effects of those actions won't be felt in our lifetimes.
You come into this thread, add nothing to the discussion, and instead zero in on me, who is a hair-breadth away from a nervous breakdown due to multiple factors, and tell me to shut the fuck up?
I got a better idea--how about you fuck off.
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Increased methane in the atmosphere above the East Siberian Sea has been recorded for a couple years now, but what hasn't happened is the big 'burp' of methane that some were expecting.
According to one scientist (Natalia Shakhova of the International Arctic Research Center), there is an estimated 50 gigatons of methane trapped in the permafrost in that area, ready to be released when it starts to thaw. Some people thought this would result in a huge 'burp' or explosion, as that area has had methane eruptions before many times (I mean, just look at the satellite view of the area, its pockmarked with hundreds of circular lakes caused by previous small explosions of methane), but it seems that might not actually happen, and we'll just get a steady but unspectacular increase in methane release over the years.
Calling it a 'Clathrate gun' was probably a bad idea because it paints the wrong picture for regular folk who don't think in geological timescales.
Satellite view of part of the East Siberian coast that shows how pockmarked it is.