I can't believe a game where Mario bonks Pikachu on the head has led to… this.
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I can't believe a game where Mario bonks Pikachu on the head has led to… this.
It's rather strangeSeeing some posts, I think it speaks a lot if your only post in this topic it's to defend a rotten community. Really no words about of whats going on at all?
I'm far from a fan of the competitive scene. There's a lot about that I've disliked for years, well before all of the gross stuff was exposed last year.Seeing some posts, I think it speaks a lot if your only post in this topic it's to defend a rotten community. Really no words about of whats going on at all?
Well put.Fortnite and FIFA both have had their fair share of issues but both are heavily regulated by the games' publishers which strongly discourages bad behavior and has stronger punishment for whatever happens. Fortnite is 100% online only, which greatly reduces the possibility for abuse, and FIFA is very heavily tilted towards online play and community building. There is no singular Minecraft community, there are many small communities around Minecraft but no all encompassing, competitive one. Most of the Minecraft communities that do exist are either completely online or moderated in part by Microsoft with the understanding that interest in the game skews younger than gaming at large which has resulted in them taking steps to ensure player safety. That is not the case with Nintendo who uses community members for an occasional marketing bit but nothing more. You also have the confirmation bias issue where fewer people on a site like this are heavily invested into those games so less about them will be posted here.
Smash is unfortunately a community which has every single disadvantage for the fostering of toxicity you could imagine. It overwhelmingly takes place in person, entirely at grassroots events that barely scrape by financially with no centralized authority for creating or enforcing rules, it is generally younger than most which means that many players tend to be more vulnerable to abuse (or in some circumstances more likely to commit it), and so many people within the community rely on it for their income, whether it's through tournament winnings, stream subscriptions, merch sales, etc. and thus place particularly high importance on continuing to be able to play it. Yet despite all of that things are slowly but steadily improving as awareness of these problems is becoming more widespread and people are being more motivated to ensure it's as safe for everyone as possible. Making harsh generalizations based on limited, anecdotal data helps no one and only makes it harder for the people trying to make things better.
I feel like there's some irony here because there does need to be a central authority (I thought that the Smash World Tour would partially accomplish this, but then COVID happened) and Nintendo's involvement would be the most obvious and direct way to accomplish that using Capcom as a model, but instead a lot of the responses are saying Nintendo should just wash their hands clean are the exact opposite of that.Capcom is really the only company that supports their own scene, though.
They can because their games basically built the old scene and the ProTour was an extension of this. And this only happened this generation with SFV.
I think it stems from the community being young in comparison to others AND compared to todays eSports landscape, a professional structure that would shut down such BS early on. You just don't have this on this scale in any other sports, because there are people that would stop this or you would get fired.Smash is a great fun charming game, how is it that a part of the community is always on the spotlight regarding some of the most aberrant shit in videogames landscape?
I'm now aware at all with this particular case, but 136 pages manigest and 2.5 hours video is some sociopath shit over there, I would be really concerned too, tbh.
There is no value in fighting toxicity with another form of toxicity. If your only takeaway is "this community is rotten" you aren't helping the thousands of people in it who are trying to make things better, the thousands of people who are struggling because so many others don't care about how much adversity they face. Those kinds of comments are just handwaving the abuse that happens because it happens to those dirty smashers who don't shower, not taking a stand to help those in the community who need it or expressing solidarity with them.Seeing some posts, I think it speaks a lot if your only post in this topic it's to defend a rotten community. Really no words about of whats going on at all?
This clip alone shows the levels of reach and delusion this guy has
A dude is worried about his safety and you're gonna post a drive-by about Nintendo? Come on. If there were a governing body like Nintendo in charge, maybe shit like this wouldn't happen because players doing this would be banned?
it's funny because that statement you just made is eerily similar to one Hax makes in the actual video.
At this point they shouldn't question why Nintendo doesn't want to get tangled up with them.
The drive-bys joking about Nintendo being right to ignore the scene are trash, but I don't believe any organizational body would have prevented this specific incident from occurring, which is purely the result of an individual's mental health.I feel like there's some irony here because there does need to be a central authority (I thought that the Smash World Tour would partially accomplish this, but then COVID happened) and Nintendo's involvement would be the most obvious and direct way to accomplish that using Capcom as a model, but instead a lot of the responses are saying Nintendo should just wash their hands clean are the exact opposite of that.
Really sad that this site in particular has learned nothing about making really dumb shitposts and drivebys in regards to what appears to be someone going through very bad mental problems
I don't know, I went to LAN parties for UT, there were international tournaments, IRC channels, forums etc. Even more so for CS. I don't really see the difference.well back in my day we just played the games, we didnt form any scene or community. just friends playing together. even in the later years playing online all day (Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike etc) it wasnt thought of as a "scene". scenes were for music like hardcore punk or hiphop.
There is none. The person you're quoting is just being willfully ignorant. Back in CS days communities formed around servers. You got to know and be friends and have a "community" among server groups/owners and would wage battle against other servers. That's just online, if you were genuinely lucky you'd have people or a group to LAN with.I don't know, I went to LAN parties for UT, there were international tournaments, IRC channels, forums etc. Even more so for CS. I don't really see the difference.
The Deep Leffen Bot is probably one of the best things ever created tho'
Yeah someone should call his parents, a friend or someone neutral, because how he made this public could aggravate his mental health, if he starts to realise how wrong he is but it's now written all around the world. Someone should be there to let him land quietly and recover before getting back to reality, or something bad could happen. Without help he's guaranteed to either plunge into a deeper madness or depression.
No you don't.
I can promise you your local arcade back in the day had a scene. Fighting game tournaments are just that on a global scale. I don't see what's hard to grasp about fighting games developing a community.well back in my day we just played the games, we didnt form any scene or community. just friends playing together. even in the later years playing online all day (Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike etc) it wasnt thought of as a "scene". scenes were for music like hardcore punk or hiphop.
The Deep Leffen Bot is probably one of the best things ever created tho'
Absolutely. I think the organization aspect comes in with regards to how to respond to something like this and having a unified ban list that applies across several tournaments would be the best way to ensure the safety of attendants.The drive-bys joking about Nintendo being right to ignore the scene are trash, but I don't believe any organizational body would have prevented this specific incident from occurring, which is purely the result of an individual's mental health.
A lot of the takes in this thread are giving me vibes of past threads where people were dunking on Etika while he was in his downward spiral.