Yeah it was kind of weird. It taught me to not use cyber-elves and I ended up avoiding them the entire series.
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Mega Man Zero/ZX Legacy Collection (Release Date: Jan 22, 2020) [Update: Trailer from Gematsu]
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I dunno. Cyber Elves were a thing that I always considered to be a nice "option" for a hard action game of this sort. You wanted a sub tank or longer life bar to help you live longer? Fine, just take the rank score penalty to go with your power-up, and keep it rolling. (And in Zero 2, that just meant you had to make do without the EX Skills from the boss, but at least you still got the Elemental Chips to work with.) I could see where Inti was going with the idea of making it so the player would eventually not "need" the power-ups for future playthroughs, which is kind of a thing that MM gameplay design is all about, and I actually appreciated that. It also made for a variety of playthroughs. After all, there were specific unlocks tailored for those who went through the trouble of finding and using every Elf, too.
Rather, it's the need to level up weapons in Zero 1 and 2 that I considered truly bullshit. It basically meant that you either a) grinded against something like the towers in the first few stages in order to get your new weapons up to par (and say goodbye to your time ranking for the mission, as a result) or b) you better be willing to be hyper focused on your two main weapons so that at least they could be fully maxed out by the last few stages. Otherwise, you were stuck with a neutered move set, and who wants a Z-Saber without its triple combo?
Zero 1 is not unfair at all. Yes, the Cyber Elves dropping your rank because they are supposed to help beginners but also requiring expert platforming/exploration to find was paradoxal, but that was the very first iteration of the mechanic and not indicative of how fair or not the game is in regards to difficulty. And it's not like the ranks do anything, unless you want to unlock god mode.
In regards to 1 I kind of agree, I don't remember 2 being especially bad in that regard and I used cyber-elves regularly.
It's been a long time since I played the games, but I'm not looking forward to having to excel at the stages in order to actually get the bosses' special weapons, at least I think that's how it worked in Zero 2 and 3. Could be remembering wrong.
I have the PAL version so I can tell that for the PAL version they probably either cut it to spite European players or because it was cheaper this way.
But yeah the Megaman ZX clearly has Japanese samples.
Megaman in Japanese is Rockman and the "Megamerge" mechanic of the ZX games is "Rock on"
So in ZX they say "Rock on" every time you change into another form while in ZXA when you change into the A form (like just using the A living metal), the character says "Megamerge".
Because fuck continuity.
Oh right, it does work like that in Zero 2. It's dumb. I personally just said "fuck it" and didn't give a shit about the special weapons, because I couldn't be assed. Really not great that they're locked behind the A/S rank.
Gotta A rank for the EX skills (extra moves). Weapons and elements are part of the story. Extra customization elements are parallel to your story progress.
You can cheat 2 or 3 times with the Elves that auto give you an A rank, IIRC.
The Zero collection on DS was already uncensored so I would imagine that they went the easy way and just converted that version instead of tracking the BS censored versions.
Lol Zero 1 alone is fucking torture.
That game was made by actual sadist.
there's a hard mode that's laughably hard and then you can try to go for the perfect score.
Good thing is now you won't be breaking your whole system unless you think of playing on a Switch lite.
I will always lament the loss of the Rockman name and all of the musical puns it brought with it. I like almost all of the Japanese names and terms better aside from "Irregulars" and "Repliroids" (Maverick sounds way more badass tbh)
There is definitely something special about the Japanese version of the Megaman games.
ZX is also very special full of French namedrops in the soundtrack and some names for no goddamn reason, I absolutely love it.
You're right though Maverick is a very cool sounding name though.
Also because Capcom sucks in PAL, I actually don't think they ever bothered to translate in French anything at all.
Or maybe they localised ZXA and didn't touch ZX from the US version because fuck you that's why.
There's blood in the Zero 1 cutscene so at least they uncensored that part
That scene also has blood in the GBA international versions and is way downplayed from the japanese version.
Collection kept the same elements for each region.
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looking into I have no idea why I thought they changed that.That scene also has blood in the GBA international versions and is way downplayed from the japanese version.
Collection kept the same elements for each region.
Comparison:
It didn't really make sense when the original game was probably modified to affect the age rating.
Oh well, still beats having to track down the Zero games 1 by 1 even back when Zero Collection was released.
With how many copies of PAL Zero 4 are in the wild, it's probably harder to find than some prototype.
e: none on amazon but I can still play roulette on ebay!
When I hunted the games back in the day I absolutely loved getting the Megaman Zero 2 box with Megaman Zero 1 inside.
Really lovely.
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Man, playing ZX with a proper controller (read: Not the DS Lite's busted shoulder buttons) is gonna be a treat, damn.
That is not the case either, and is the reason they changed dialogue to use "retire" instead of "kill" or "die". The very few exceptions in Z2 where those words slipped were changed for the DS Collection.
The four games are rated E for everyone with "violence" or "cartoon violence". The same for ZX, though ZXA is E10+ for some reason.
You caught before the edit (I mean ESRB is 94, I know they're old games but not that old),
I think they toned down the blood to keep the rating down, I don't think they could have gotten away with E for everyone and 7+ (or 3+ for Zero 3 because consistency) with the blood in.
they probably thought that they had to remove that or risk limiting the audience, there's really no other reason for that edit otherwise.
For a european player, let's count our blessing we actually got the games already because that was really not a given.
By the time ZXA was out, if you didn't preorder the megaman games, you probably weren't getting them.
Eh, Zero 1 not really since the only things cyber elves affected were rank which didn't even do anything in that game. I can definitely see the case for 2 however since EX skills were locked behind ranking which meant that you had to fight the bosses with your tiny health bar if you wanted them. Even then though it's not a huge deal IMO since the EX skills weren't all that useful in Zero 2, and only became useful in 3 since you can use them to do combos and deal extra damage to a boss. All you really needed in Zero 2 to beat bosses was the charged saber.
I was about to say this but you beat me to it ^_^. Seriously we need that 3rd game because that damn cliffhanger SUXS!!!!!!ZX3 should get made with Master Thomas as the villain
Haha, well, thank you. :) And yes, my eyes pretty much bugged out of my head when I saw Wario64's initial tweet!
Pick this up on PS4 so it can join my other 19 Mega Man games from different collections, or pick up on Switch because portability. Hmmm.
Wow, I'm pretty surprised and disappointed about the complaints over the difficulty. Not to brag, but I could consistently nail S-rank throughout the series.
I think locking the Special Techniques behind A/S ranks is a great incentive to step it up--it's nowhere near as hard as the posters in this thread make it out to be. Yes, you have to learn the stage, but that creates a sort of musical playthrough of death.
Those techs are worth it, too. Kougenjin and Tenshouzan (throw blade/hadouken and sword uppercut/shoryuken) are game-changing.
I think locking the Special Techniques behind A/S ranks is a great incentive to step it up--it's nowhere near as hard as the posters in this thread make it out to be. Yes, you have to learn the stage, but that creates a sort of musical playthrough of death.
Those techs are worth it, too. Kougenjin and Tenshouzan (throw blade/hadouken and sword uppercut/shoryuken) are game-changing.
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Or it is difficult because everyone has varying levels of skill. Easy for you is different for everyone else.
ZX3 should get made with Master Thomas as the villain
I felt there were a lot of hints that ZX2's story was going to transistion to the events leading up to legends. Bummer this never happened.
It's easy for someone who has practiced the game. That's like someone on NG+++ of Dark Souls saying the game is easy.
"Nowhere near as hard" isn't the same as "easy" though. While you're of course right, I do agree it's far from the sadistic challenge that people are saying it is, or that the Ex Skill system is punishing. Specially in Z3, their point is to ""min max"" your playstyle, and if you are doing that, you are probably getting at least close to A ranks anyway. If you are not, you are not going to find much use for them.
As someone who despises FROM's artificially-inflated difficulty, I just don't understand these stances, especially considering ERA's overall boner for all design choices FROM. You'd think the Zero games were the lovechild of Ninja Gaiden and Soulsbourne by reading this thread. :P
But I'll respect y'all's opinions. I did grow up on Mega Man X, so maybe I subconsciously click with it.
I need that physical Switch version. Time to hit up import sites and be annoyed about it.
Definitely in the mood to break out my DS collection.
Definitely in the mood to break out my DS collection.
It's really awesome that we're getting Mega Man Zero 3 for 30 bucks and they are throwing 5 extra games in there for some reason.
I'm buying this as many times as I can, I really hope ZX/ZXA has the Japanese audio as well. I played the undub last year and it's great.
I'm buying this as many times as I can, I really hope ZX/ZXA has the Japanese audio as well. I played the undub last year and it's great.