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SilentPanda

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Nov 6, 2017
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A combative old white man who speaks of gays and pedophiles in the same breath, dismisses gender debates as a waste of time and who can't stand Angela Merkel could hardly be more out of step with the zeitgeist.

That hasn't stopped Friedrich Merz from trying to become Germany's next chancellor. The bigger surprise is that he has an outside chance of succeeding.

After Merkel stepped down as party leader in 2018, Merz — whom older Germans remembered as an outspoken fiscal hawk and defender of traditional values — appeared seemingly out of nowhere in the race to succeed her. He denied suggestions he wanted to settle old scores, however, insisting that public service was his only motivation.

Two years on, following Kramp-Karrenbauer's surprise decision to step back from the role and relinquish her aspirations of succeeding Merkel as chancellor, Merz has once again returned. This time, he faces Merkel's new choice to succeed her, Armin Laschet, premier of North Rhine-Westphalia, and Norbert Röttgen, the chairman of the Bundestag's foreign relations committee.

That's in large measure due to Merz, who, channeling his inner Trump, has hinted that the establishment was conspiring to undermine his candidacy.

"It's not going to work," he told his purported enemies in a TV interview last month, referring to himself in the third person. "You're not going to ground Merz down or wear him out. He's going to remain standing."

Merz opposed the CDU leadership's plan to delay the convention, a step the party said it was compelled to take as a result of the pandemic. More than 1,000 delegates are expected to attend the meeting. The laws that govern Germany's political parties make holding the meeting online and voting remotely legally fraught.

The reason for Merz's urgency is that he is leading in the polls, well ahead of his two rivals. In one survey published by Der Spiegel this month, for example, Merz led the field with 26 percent, followed by Röttgen and Laschet with 10.6 percent and 8.1 percent respectively. German Health Minister Jens Spahn, who isn't even officially in the running, placed second with 23 percent. More than 20 percent of respondents said they'd prefer a different candidate.

A Merz victory "would be a disaster," warned one official close to the party leadership.

Merz, who declined requests for comment, has raised eyebrows both in and outside the party for controversial remarks on a range of subjects from homosexuality to COVID-19.

www.politico.eu

Meet the German Donald Trump

Hardline conservative Friedrich Merz makes a bid for the CDU leadership.
 

Earthstrike

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wait, the CDU? I always got the impression they were slightly right of center? And this is by german standards.
 

Haunted

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Nov 3, 2017
2,737
What the fuck is this trash headline. :lol

Friedrich Merz is very, very far removed from someone like Donald Trump. I find the headline irritating and the basis for comparison strenuous at best.

Make no mistake, that guy is a serious politician, former group chairman of the biggest fraction in the Bundestag, successful Blackrock management, well connected and fairly respected within one of the major parties of the country.

Absolutely ridiculous to try and put him on that level.
 
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Hana-Bi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Germany
The shocking thing about Merz is that the "Junge Union" (the youth CDU) favors him.

Young conservatives people are a crazy thought to me. But here we are. I have no hope for our country.
 

EloKa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh. Merz as a candidate has some problematic views but he's still very far away from beeing something like a Trump disaster.
 

Phife Dawg

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Oct 27, 2017
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Merz is a stupid asshole but on a whole different level of Trump. He is an old school conservative and this appeals to a major part of the CDU base who have neen grinding their teeth during the relatively liberal Merkel years, power and all.

The conspiracy against him is probably also true because Merz as frontrunner would likely cement a green party chancelorship.
 

ArtTeitlebaum

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Oct 25, 2017
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I might hate him with a passion, but a Trump he is not. More like a Bob Dole/Michael Gove hybrid. A cunt? Sure. But not a protofascist populist.
 

Xater

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Oct 26, 2017
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Merz is an asshole, but not that much like Trump and especially not a fascist.

Söder would be a better choice for the CDU and I even dislike that guy. No matter who they pick none of them will be as good as Merkel and move the party more to the right.
 

Jay_AD

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wait, the CDU? I always got the impression they were slightly right of center? And this is by german standards.

They are our conservatives. It's not like they are a progressive party, although they will sometimes support at least half heartedly a facade of progressive policy if the zeitgeist demands it. But they are the conservatives.

They are most definitely not immune to being pushed further right.
 

BlueOdin

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Oct 26, 2017
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While I do agree that he uses some of Trump's tactics (or at least tries to) I always think he would be something like Reagan or Thatcher for us.
 

Terrell

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Oct 25, 2017
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The reason for Merz's urgency is that he is leading in the polls, well ahead of his two rivals. In one survey published by Der Spiegel this month, for example, Merz led the field with 26 percent, followed by Röttgen and Laschet with 10.6 percent and 8.1 percent respectively. German Health Minister Jens Spahn, who isn't even officially in the running, placed second with 23 percent. More than 20 percent of respondents said they'd prefer a different candidate.

And we have the problem right there, shitty candidates for replacement that few seem to want that are being shoved down throats and the people are reaching for any possible alternative, including "none of the above".
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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What the fuck is this trash headline. :lol

Friedrich Merz is very, very far removed from someone like Donald Trump. I find the headline irritating and the basis for comparison strenuous at best.

Make no mistake, that guy is a serious politician, former group chairman of the biggest fraction in the Bundestag, successful Blackrock management, well connected and fairly respected within one of the major parties of the country.

Absolutely ridiculous to try and put him on that level.
It is. Merz is an ass but he is no Donald Trump.
Eh. Merz as a candidate has some problematic views but he's still very far away from beeing something like a Trump disaster.
Merz is shit, but It's ridiculous to compare him to Trump.
Politico EU is endless trash. Some of the absolutely worst political reporting I've ever seen for a "reputable" outlet.

I took notice when during the latest Spanish constitutional crisis their *native* reporter went to Twitter and proclaimed his amazement at how little he knew about the politics of it before writing a particular piece. Which was, of course, full of flaws and imprecisions that any seasoned political reporter would have caught.

Everything needs to be somewhat sensationalized and aligned to US standards of local political reporting and even political culture. Simpler articles tend to be fine, but longer ones and big features are the absolute worst.
 
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Donos

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Nov 15, 2017
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Nothing to add to other posters saying that Merz has problematic views but is nowhere near the e level of stupidity, corruption and madness that is Trump. And his chances are rather slim.
I'm going to hate it but space commander Söder is going to make it. He is getting interviewed on every breakfast show, evening news and roundtable to corona issues, like he's already at the helm. That smug fucker is setting everything up smoothly atm.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
10,228
What the fuck is this trash headline. :lol

Friedrich Merz is very, very far removed from someone like Donald Trump. I find the headline irritating and the basis for comparison strenuous at best.

Make no mistake, that guy is a serious politician, former group chairman of the biggest fraction in the Bundestag, successful Blackrock management, well connected and fairly respected within one of the major parties of the country.

Absolutely ridiculous to try and put him on that level.
I fucking hate Merz but he is not trump. He is a lawyer that practiced law for decades. He will not ignore the law like trump is doing it right now.
 

Johnny Blaze

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Oct 29, 2017
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The Green Party will probably be the second strongest party after 2021 elections and the CDU will have to either go into another SDP coalition if they don't completely implode, or with the greens. No way will Merz be able to push all his policy through with a coalition partner from the center-left.

Having more than two parties and no party being able to have an absolute majority is great.

I expect the CDU to lose voters. Many non conservatives like Merkel but absolutely hate Merz.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Green Party will probably be the second strongest party after 2021 elections and the CDU will have to either go into another SDP coalition if they don't completely implode, or with the greens. No way will Merz be able to push all his policy through with a coalition partner from the center-left.

Having more than two parties and no party being able to have an absolute majority is great.

I expect the CDU to lose voters. Many non conservatives like Merkel but absolutely hate Merz.
thr greens are the new fdp. I wouldnt be surprised that they would embrace söder or merz.

Also Söder will trounce Merz in the internal battle.
 

Johnny Blaze

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Oct 29, 2017
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thr greens are the new fdp. I wouldnt be surprised that they would embrace söder or merz.

Also Söder will trounce Merz in the internal battle.
I wouldn't go that far and call them the new FDP but yeah they are becoming the Party of wealthy liberals and well off people, moving more to the center, still, they are probably the only ones who would embrace things like UBI, more green energy and more socialist policies, Merz would absolutely be the man for big corporations and for workers to lose more rights, either way it would dampen whatever ideas Merz has.

Meanwhile the FDP would probably be ok with whatever the CDU/Merz wants to do.
 

CortexVortex

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Oct 30, 2017
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He is not a "German Trump", but obiously far from the best choice we have but I don't think he will make it anyway.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also Söder will trounce Merz in the internal battle.

Would Söder really be interested in becoming chancellor? Seems much easier to just stay in Bavaria, where as Minister President he has a lot of power already and can even influence national politics, without needing to worry too much about his popularity. With Germany's strong federal nature, Chancellor doesn't seem like the better job.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
10,228
Would Söder really be interested in becoming chancellor? Seems much easier to just stay in Bavaria, where as Minister President he has a lot of power already and can even influence national politics, without needing to worry too much about his popularity. With Germany's strong federal nature, Chancellor doesn't seem like the better job.
Söders Idol is Franz Josef Strauss. He wanted to be chancellor. Its the CSUs dream to finally have a CSU Chancellor.
 

19thCenturyFox

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Oct 29, 2017
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Donald Drumpf is the German Donald Trump. While we are playing this game, who is the American Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg?
 

1.21Gigawatts

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Oct 25, 2017
3,278
Munich
Merz is smart, unlike Trump.

Ideologically, he is neoliberal (low taxes, deregulation, privatization), a nationalist, socially conservative, an immigration-"sceptic" and a populist.

He doesn't care about liberal or democratic values. He has this view of the world where nations are in competition and the best prevail, like a social Darwinism on a national scale. This sentiment is rather widespread in new conservative circles. For example, is there this connection around people like Peter Thiel and Mathias Döpfner(Chairman of Axel Springer, like the german Murdoch) and Palantir's Karp, they all think like that.

Basically, these people aren't denying climate change, inequality and other issues. They just think these problems will create winners and losers and they intend to be on the side of the winners so the losers can get fucked.
They don't believe in democracy because they have recognized that electorates are easily controllable with the technological means of affecting public discourse we already have.
And they believe in the power of the market and more importantly that the government mustn't infringe upon this power (so no breaking up of monopolies, no new campaign finance laws, lobby registers or other regulations and checks on economic power). They also believe, however, that corporations have national responsibility, in the sense that they should work towards making sure that their nation is among the "winners".


Merz isn't Trump, but he could be just as dangerous. Maybe even more dangerous because he isn't as dumb as Trump.



But to end on a positive note:
Merz is considerably right of Merkel and there is a big question regarding the CDU voters loyalty to party or loyalty to Merkel.
I've heard a lot of CDU folks fearing that Merz would cause enough CDU voters to move to SPD/Greens/Left so that this Green-Red-Red coalition can beat out a CDU-Green or CDU-SPD coalition.

Also, the Greens, who are imo the frontrunner for the CDU's next coalition partner, loath Merz.

So yeah, a Merz candidacy could very well bring us the most left-wing german government we have ever seen.
 

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Politico EU is endless trash. Some of the absolutely worst political reporting I've ever seen for a "reputable" outlet.

I took notice when during the latest Spanish constitutional crisis their *native* reporter went to Twitter and proclaimed his amazement at how little he knew about the politics of it before writing a particular piece. Which was, of course, full of flaws and imprecisions that any seasoned political reporter would have caught.

Everything needs to be somewhat sensationalized and aligned to US standards of local political reporting and even political culture. Simpler articles tend to be fine, but longer ones and big features are the absolute worst.

I remember reading something about the Netherlands on that site, don't remember what but I do remember cringing and thinking what a shame English speakers likely get warped news through websites like that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Even if he were Trump in person, a multi party System with much lower party loyalty pretty much ensures he couldn't do as much damage.
 

Bonejack

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's definitely not anything close to Trump. But he's still bad. He's worse than Söder and that is speaking for itself.

The whole setup of possible candidates for CDU chancellor and chairman of the party is bad, though. Laschet is a walking idiot, Merz is ... bah, Spahn has no idea of anything and i don't even know anything about Röttgen.

Sadly, the CDU will still be the party with the highest % of votes at the next election, so one of these dumbfucks will be the next chancellor ... if not for some miracle turnout pushing the Gruene to the top.
 

strudelkuchen

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Oct 25, 2017
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It will be Söder anyways.

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Kemono

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It will be Söder anyways.

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The blackface wasn't necessary.

But yes. He's the best the Union has to offer right now and wouldn't be a bas pick for the job.

Everyone of the others are better than fucking "blackrock" "i'm not rich" Merz.


People complain about Merkel but the problem is the alternatives are way worse.

Oh they'll wish she was still around. As with many things most will only realize what they had after it's gone.
 

Maccix

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He felt the need to hold an event in my smaller town back in March with 700 people attending and got tested positive for corona a week later. This fucking guy.
 

Einherjer

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The blackface wasn't necessary.

But yes. He's the best the Union has to offer right now and wouldn't be a bas pick for the job.

Everyone of the others are better than fucking "blackrock" "i'm not rich" Merz.




Oh they'll wish she was still around. As with many things most will only realize what they had after it's gone.

It's Gandhi so brownface makes more sense not that it makes it that much better.