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Media to health professionals at Bernie's townhall: "How will we pay for free vaccines?"
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No, it really doesn't. It's ultimately way, way more expensive to administer healthcare the way we currently do than to do single payer, and yet we've been doing it this way forever and any suggestion to the contrary is met with hysterical cries about socialism.
America doesn't give one flying fuck how we pay for anything, unless we can pay lip service to fiscal responsibility to refuse to perform and/or provide basic humanitarian services to people who don't belong to the moneyed class. Without a fundamental shift in our philosophy, that will not change, and it's certainly not going to start with a coronavirus vaccine.
We can't because we gotta cut even more taxes for the rich and the military needs even more funding. Fuck everything else.
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If you can't handle being asked a dumb question or a question about cost without flying into a rage, maybe health care is not a good field for you. I imagine half the questions doctors and RNs deal with are either stupid and/or related to payment.
That's not counting the wars. The wars in the last 17 years cost an additional $6.4 trillion.
Being the world police doesn't pay for itself ya know!! Lmao!!
This is a weird question to ask about vaccines
because the cost is in the research which is heavily publicly funded already and it's preventative care which saves money.
eliminating the military entirely wouldn't cover the cost of free universal healthcare. Medicare already eclipses the defense budget
i know the response will be "nobody asks how we pay for xyz" or "tax abc" which is fine — I'm not saying it can't be done— I'm only making this one point about using the military budget to pay for it
because the cost is in the research which is heavily publicly funded already and it's preventative care which saves money.
eliminating the military entirely wouldn't cover the cost of free universal healthcare. Medicare already eclipses the defense budget
i know the response will be "nobody asks how we pay for xyz" or "tax abc" which is fine — I'm not saying it can't be done— I'm only making this one point about using the military budget to pay for it
Keep watching until she flips over the table and charges the audience.
"what the hell even are taxes"
It legit wouldn't surprise me if most Americans see taxes as just a giant racket. Like, the big bad government steals money from ya every year and you pay it to keep them from breaking your kneecaps and repo'ing your shit.
It legit wouldn't surprise me if most Americans see taxes as just a giant racket. Like, the big bad government steals money from ya every year and you pay it to keep them from breaking your kneecaps and repo'ing your shit.
Evil News Corp garbage love this argument because america's garbage health system makes no sense unless the alternative is prohibitively expensive.
Otherwise you have to consider that the only reason things are a complete shitshow is because of evil psychopathic "i got mine" ness, oligarchs deliberately pushing inefficient, expensive systems that serve only to generate profits for billionares
Otherwise you have to consider that the only reason things are a complete shitshow is because of evil psychopathic "i got mine" ness, oligarchs deliberately pushing inefficient, expensive systems that serve only to generate profits for billionares
Wow, that would be terrible, creating all those jobs and work for health prefessionals. How awful.
cool that in your sick and depraved country, you admit that half the questions a doctor has to deal with are related to payment (and not the actual treatment part lol)
It's more like "sound bite trolling". It worked, too, as it often does.
Also, "good faith", lol.
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This is dumb. This isn't some random anxious patient they're responding to.
Conditioning.
People have been conditioned to think that anything that benefits everyone (some sort of socialism) is actually COMMUNISM by the back door and they're afraid of it, because their capitalist masters told them so. A lot of bootlicking and a lot of "fuck you, got mine" doesn't help.
This is why I fear for the NHS.
"How are we going to pay to defeat this Hitler guy? And fighting Japan now that they attacked Pearl Harbor? How are we going to pay for that? Maybe they can afford to fight us, but can we afford to fight back?"
The media in America are fucking disgusting just parroting this right wing talking point. People will die if they aren't able to access a vaccine.
Somehow every developed country, and plenty of poor ones on manage to afford its people "free" healthcare. It's times like this when the shortcomings of private healthcare will be laid bare as people can't afford to see a doctor or buy the vaccine, so the threat becomes even greater.
Somehow every developed country, and plenty of poor ones on manage to afford its people "free" healthcare. It's times like this when the shortcomings of private healthcare will be laid bare as people can't afford to see a doctor or buy the vaccine, so the threat becomes even greater.
I mean, if it a was bad faith question (and not just someone being dumb) it definitely didn't work because the answer made them look good and the person asking the question bad.
It's aggravating when people ask that question now. It's a pretty simple answer, but some folks get appalled by the answer. Tax the hell out of the wealthy, cut down on the military budget, and add a tax to the lottery or something.
My state uses money from the lottery to pay for free college. There are ways.
My favorites are the people who bitch about how difficult their life is and how they struggle, but straight up gasp at this idea and vote Trump.
Sorry. Rant over.
My state uses money from the lottery to pay for free college. There are ways.
My favorites are the people who bitch about how difficult their life is and how they struggle, but straight up gasp at this idea and vote Trump.
Sorry. Rant over.
They certainly got something clickbaity out of it to write about, though!
I wanna know as well
sounds like a Fox News question but I wouldn't be surprised if it was CNN or some shit
I have multiple friends in various aspects of medicine who have all been working in hospitals and clinics, and every single one of them is completely tired of seeing people left to rot in the open air because capitalism is held in higher regard than the life of the individual. The amount of decay and death they have to witness, knowing full well what could or couldn't be done to help them, emboldens their feelings towards monetary gating of proper treatment. Their rage should be perfectly understandable, and we would do well to listen to their perspective and understand this isn't just popping off because someone asked what their favorite color is.
Right now, in the face of potential crisis, absolutely none of them want to hear a word about where the money is coming from.
It looks like the round table was hosted on local news.
I'd laugh at the pathetic media if they weren't constantly poisoning the populace with narratives. This is some serious bullshit.
lol. wow. what utter nonsense. Still blows my mind that now suddenly democrats are the party of "how we pay for shit"? Fuckers haven't ever been this party before.
America. Vote for Bernie for the love of anything good.
I can't even believe this is up for debate. In Canada we would laugh at the thought of having to pay for this.
I can't even believe this is up for debate. In Canada we would laugh at the thought of having to pay for this.
"how are we going to pay for" is concern trolling at this point lol
Well its too late. The Bernie ship has sailed. Here's the problem with our shit healthcare system; someone will get the novel Coronavirus but due to not having any insurance, or being underinsured, they will NOT go get tested because they can't afford to. It's going to happen, hell it may have already happened. but i'm supposed to give a fuck about "how we pay for this" crap? This is literally people's lives now, its no longer hyperbole, its real people getting sick and dying.