In japan, it won't. Globally it will. I assume most folks are talking about global sells in this case
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They NEED to make a Yu-Gi-Oh game for the Switch already, NEED I say!
Loved that card game as a kid, would definitely play a new game.
World was able to convince a lot of non Monster Hunter fans to giving the game a try because it was out of the "handheld ghetto", there is no guarantee that those people became permanent fans and would be back for another, let alone one on the Switch.
World launched on PS4, XBox and PC.
Rise is switch only. We know about the PC version, but officially it doesn't exist.
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New fighting game IP from a major internal team. It wasn't just another game from Nintendo and aiming for one per generation entry being multiplayer it got zero boost from the success of the system. Now Nintendo has to think twice for a potential sequel in the future with has lost every relevance at Switch and fighting scene.
It will all depend on how they think they can improve things and Yabuki's influence. The concept was solid but the content was lacking for ARMS. If they can expand on what there is it can do better than 2 million. Nintendo does try several times, recent examples are Fire Emblem and Pikmin.
Momotarou Dentetsu might outsell Monster Hunter World in Japan, nevermind Rise.
I don't think Nintendo ever commented on ARMS being a success or failure. However, the post-launch support for the game was rather short so we could use that to infer that maybe it wasn't as succesful as they expected. On the other hand, they put ARMS in Smash quite recently which could indicate they have interest on the property's future.
It's hard to say really.
It's hard to say really.
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Nintendo was ready to kill Fire Emblem if Awakening didn't succeed, there's a limit at how many times they try. Pikmin became million seller at failed Nintendo systems, bringing it over as example doesn't help Arms case.
I do wonder if ARMS being a multiplayer game was more damning to Nintendo's expectations of it? Like it may have been a game they expected to have a stronger community following with further updates and pushing their online services.
Contrasted to a "one and done" single player game that may not be expected to carry as long of a tail.
Contrasted to a "one and done" single player game that may not be expected to carry as long of a tail.
I agree but I think they will try out ARMS 2 and give it more time. I don't think they will bury the IP that quickly.
I think the support took longer than planned, Springtron was not in the initial plans
Did Fire Emblem ever reached 2 million before Awakening? Arms passed that milestone on the first entry. Granted, I don't know budget and expectations, but Nintendo is conservatives when it comes to those. Specially budgets.
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The problem with an Arms sequel is how many more will care comparing to 1 and if it worths the effort dedicating again internal resources for something with questionable potential. There isn't any guarantee that next entry will find so big interest but since there was investment from Nintendo at this IP maybe it will have another chance sometime in the future.
Yeah, I kind of see it like Mario Kart, sure F-zero is cool, but why waste money on that when MK is selling triple or quadruple of that F-Zero can do lifetime, yearly. Same with Arms, Smash is selling what Arms sold lifetime every two quarters. With Fire Emblem and other smaller Nintendo games, they don't have a similar equivalent. Which kinda explains Donkey Kong as well.
... I was under the impression that that was a rerelease of something, have I misled myself all this time? I'll go and have a look.
It's basically the definitive edition of the PS4 and Xbox 1 release, and it got a very meaty free expansion last year.
The decision to include Min Min should have been made when ARMS sales were already well known. The characters and the gameplay have great potential, the limitation was the lack of content.
It is unfair to compare it with SSBU taking into account that it is a new ip and cannot recycle assets but it is evident that at the same price one offers much more
It is unfair to compare it with SSBU taking into account that it is a new ip and cannot recycle assets but it is evident that at the same price one offers much more
1.5mil Nintendo isn't stupid, they aren't going to make a 60USD fighting game and expect it to sell on par with SFV and Tekken7, but it did that for a while anyway.
Do we know that for sure? They added Fire Emblem characters before they were going to can the series.
Post launch support was supposed to be 4 characters but got extended to 5 due to the games success.
Fire Emblem Awakening was two and a half years before Smash Bros for 3DS.
I mean that's one way to look at it. Or a sequel down the line done by another team, maybe one of Nintendo partners as well. Doesn't have to be developed by the MK team. It wasn't a failure and it should end over 2.5mil which is still good for a new ip let alone a fighter
No YGO game will ever beat YGO 4. Not like people bought the game to play the game anyway. Konami's at the perfect place right now with real cards and online games.
The two installments that bombed on DS and nearly killed the IP were after Brawl.
you know ARMS is going to sell around 3 mil lifetime right? you're acting like 2.4mil is a complete failure and ARMS has no chance of ever gaining an audience. it already has one.
I'm going to remind you ARMS outsold xenoblade 2. outsold every pikmin game, the majority of kirby games, and has outsold all but 2 fire emblem games. and that was on it's first try. and don't say because of Switch boost because you just said that "it got zero boost from the system".
were you expecting it to sell on Par with MK8 because it's made by the same team?! 2.4 mil is nothing to sneeze at.
How do you explain Metroid?? I don't think ARMS2 is coming to NSW but I don't think it's dead as you make it out to be, even if you have a point with expectations were probably much greater that doesn't mean they won't try again/etc
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2.4m on is nothing to celebrate either. There are multiple fighters that have topped 5m despite the supposed dead fighting scene that Arms went so well. Even a port of Pokken sold on par with Arms. Nintendo wanted to create something similar with Splatoon and it failed.
I don't think you are understanding his point. His point is, is Arms a game they need? They already have a way more successful game that fill that Genre. They do not have something to fill for Xenoblade. Nintendo right now is trying to fill at least every genre of games themselves, because they never can depend on third parties to do so continuously.
A console needs more than one game in every genre. Arms is very different from Smash and F-Zero is different from MK. Every console needs a variety of IPs to generate more general interest and value.
Yes, and Radiant Dawn released essentially at the same time as Brawl(a bit before for japan, a bit after for ROTW), so that failure of a game would also not have made much effects.
And third parties are covering that, so far, for Switch. Switch has Redout and Fast RMX that cover for F-Zero.
ARMS should already be very near if not at 2.5mil since it was at 2.38mil as of December 31st 2019. Just saying.
I know and the PC/Master Edition might include some double dippers but the point is they are expecting a huge drop from that audience. Going from 13.7 million overseas sales down to 2-3 million. That would be comparing 1 launch on 1 platform vs 4 launches on 3 platforms as you say.
All that said, I agree with them that there will be a sharp drop and that World was an anomaly. My prediction wasn't as pessimistic but I think it will land somewhere between PlayStation and Xbox OG numbers.
I stil think that ARMS 2 will exists, because I can't see N non insisting on a new multimillion seller IP, looking at their past history
If the sequel won't succeed in becoming a 2-tier Nintendo IP (now it is a third-tier probably) in terms of sales, they will drop it
How can we judge it?
I think for example that the reaction to Min Min being in Smash has been pretty positive and that the graphic novel that they recently confimerd to still be in production could help to broaden its appeal as IP outside the gaming boards/forums
If the sequel won't succeed in becoming a 2-tier Nintendo IP (now it is a third-tier probably) in terms of sales, they will drop it
How can we judge it?
I think for example that the reaction to Min Min being in Smash has been pretty positive and that the graphic novel that they recently confimerd to still be in production could help to broaden its appeal as IP outside the gaming boards/forums
Nintendo making a sad dad 3rd person cinematic shooter confirmed.
The Last of Marios.
However, there has certainly been enough time between the release of ARMS and the Min Min DLC.
We have to take into account, how many people bought it because of the Switch novelty and lack of software at the time? I'm one of those, honestly.
There's nothing indicating that ARMS didn't meet expectations. All we know is they only planned 4 DLC characters initially and ended up releasing 5. That's it.
They could just do Mario Kart and nothing else but their marketing and dev budgets aren't even close at all.
They could just do Mario Kart and nothing else but their marketing and dev budgets aren't even close at all.
If it were for "internet excitement," Metroid would sell 15 million.
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