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Accusations should not be done based on speculations, guesses, opinions, or rumors.
If you are realizing it is speculative and not facts, I think it doesn't lead to be problematic.
Yeah anyone can make the threads, but it's not the same without Chris's insight and commentary
Yes, but after the strange 1 ban without proper warning I am not sure
Have you read B-dubs mod post before? Apparently Chris did a warning a day before, and thus they gave him the shortest ban possible as part of standard policy. The staff post was unrelated but they admitted was poorly timed coming right after Chris got his 1-day ban. Honestly a lot of folks should just cool off for a bit before posting, rather then doom & gloom posting about MC's future before anything's really happened. Hopefully some of the short bans will act as a cool off session for folks.
Glad you thought so!
He'll probably be back. If he doesn't though I would understand and respect it after how he was treated here despite all his work.
Klonoa has never been a big franchise in Japan (nor worldwide as far as I know). It was Namco's attempt to jump on the platform mascot wagon when the genre was huge.
[PS1] Klonoa: Door to Phantomile <ACT> (Namco) {1997.12.11} (¥5.800) - 48.950 / 112.575
[WSN] Klonoa: Moonlight Museum # <ACT> (Bandai) {1999.05.20} (¥3.800) - 13.766 / 13.766
[WSN] Klonoa: Moonlight Museum (1/1)(Gift Box Plus WonderSwan) <ACT> (Bandai) {1999.11.11} (¥6.800)
[GBA] Klonoa: Empire of Dreams <ACT> (Namco) {2001.07.19} (¥5.800) - 15.923 / 50.698
[PS2] Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil <ACT> (Namco) {2001.03.22} (¥6.800) - 33.785 / 74.233
[GBA] Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil <ACT> (Namco) {2002.08.06} (¥4.800) - 4.315 / 4.315
[PS1] Klonoa: Beach Volleyball <SPT> (Namco) {2002.04.25} (¥4.800) - 3.230 / 3.230
[GBA] Klonoa Heroes <RPG> (Namco) {2002.12.13} (¥4.800)
[WII] Klonoa: Door to Phantomile <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2008.12.04} (¥4.800) - 5.800 / 5.800
[PS1] Klonoa: Door to Phantomile <ACT> (Namco) {1997.12.11} (¥5.800) - 48.950 / 112.575
[WSN] Klonoa: Moonlight Museum # <ACT> (Bandai) {1999.05.20} (¥3.800) - 13.766 / 13.766
[WSN] Klonoa: Moonlight Museum (1/1)(Gift Box Plus WonderSwan) <ACT> (Bandai) {1999.11.11} (¥6.800)
[GBA] Klonoa: Empire of Dreams <ACT> (Namco) {2001.07.19} (¥5.800) - 15.923 / 50.698
[PS2] Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil <ACT> (Namco) {2001.03.22} (¥6.800) - 33.785 / 74.233
[GBA] Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil <ACT> (Namco) {2002.08.06} (¥4.800) - 4.315 / 4.315
[PS1] Klonoa: Beach Volleyball <SPT> (Namco) {2002.04.25} (¥4.800) - 3.230 / 3.230
[GBA] Klonoa Heroes <RPG> (Namco) {2002.12.13} (¥4.800)
[WII] Klonoa: Door to Phantomile <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2008.12.04} (¥4.800) - 5.800 / 5.800
I have been following MC threads since 2004. I don't always post much anymore (since I no longer have time for "Vinnk"s Village") but I don't think I have missed reading then even a single week.
I was writing up a post with my thoughts about about what went down this week. I think It was very respectful. The people in these threads are very, very important to me (even the ones I disagree with). But before I posted it, I reconsidered and deleted it. Because I don't know what's ok anymore...
And I think that's the post.
I was writing up a post with my thoughts about about what went down this week. I think It was very respectful. The people in these threads are very, very important to me (even the ones I disagree with). But before I posted it, I reconsidered and deleted it. Because I don't know what's ok anymore...
And I think that's the post.
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I think people just need to carry on as normal and then we'll see if what is posted is ok or not..
Vinnks Village are/were always a highlight whenever they pop up :)
User Banned (permanent): troll account
Maybe Lost Judgment can do close to the numbers of the first game
Probably would be the case of not got the fact that ratios and multipliers have changed since three years ago. Not to mention that the first game launched during the holidays.
The warning he got was a reply to a troll, which is hilarious that was him the warned and not the other that has been trolling in these threads for weeks.
After that, he got the ban after been sarcastic about a mod.
Just to be real, this won't be the same anymore.
Yeah everything won't be the same right now. Lelouch stops doing NPD, Bruno is perma banned for some reason, we don't know whether Chris will return.
Chris knows he is appreciated and loved by the community and I would miss his insights and funny replies if he were to no longer participate in these discussions but change can be a good thing sometimes. A few folks here come off as really aggressive and that makes people wary of participating.
They banned Bruno for off-site an comment of one admin on this forum.
Someone else will probably continue them, but Lelouch stopped because of what happend in this thread.
It's just Lelouch stopping doing it. Somebody else can do it though.
Echoing the sentiments that I hope Chris and the other banned regulars will return here, or that they let me in if they go somewhere else. I've been lurking these threads for years and always enjoy reading them even if I don't participate very often.
Ideally the new and improved™ moderation will deal with the trolls and drive bys that have been plaguing these threads for months on end, and caused this mess in the first place. The results so far look grim.
Ideally the new and improved™ moderation will deal with the trolls and drive bys that have been plaguing these threads for months on end, and caused this mess in the first place. The results so far look grim.
Ohh thanks. Wait, I thought off site drama was not a reason for bans?
Holy crap, I didn't realize Bruno was permabanned. For an off-site comment? Is that even following the rules? That's a huge loss.
Yes it's a huge loss. He was a great resource for EU sales. Especially since Bruno had no previous infractions or warnings in these threads AFAIK. I just saw he was banned but didn't see any ban message.
BrunoMB is gone as well ? Uff...man this is getting too much at once.
Those were all sales era pillars, man i dont know...EU threads weere already quite a bit smaller than MC/NPD, without Bruno its gonna be even worse for people interested in EU data.
I think most of us feel the same. Its a weird feeling.
Despite all the BS going on, the sales community era was something you could always rely on for providing something interesting to talk about every single week. This kind of development is sad to see, since it only affected MVP users that provided so much good content.
Yeah, especially in PAL threads he probably had the most consistently informative posts of any poster.
Saw the post for the ban. And noticed that Bruno only had 37 followers. Does staff just search for reported users on Twitter to see whether they said something bad about moderation?
What are you talking about, of course people should be banned for off-site shit. Mods getting harassed for doing a thankless job is no joke.
Thanks for the explanations, B-Dubs, and for acknowledging that errors have been made. Hopefully the community can move forward and these threads work as you have envisioned rather than as many fear.
Thank you for this post. I suscribe it word for word. I'm going to bookmark it for the future.
Mmmm... If he comes back (which I hope he does), don't you think it's up to him to decide how to engage?
Thank you for this post. I suscribe it word for word. I'm going to bookmark it for the future.
Mmmm... If he comes back (which I hope he does), don't you think it's up to him to decide how to engage?
I mainly lurk here but I read the Media Create Threads weekly and… Yeah, I feel worried right now. It feels weird seeing so many regulars who made this thread great banned, even if temporarily. I hope it can go back to how it used to but if it doesn't… Something special was just lost.
I find it funny how this freaking site (maybe) killed off an important part of this forums culture. Good job! This is some A-class example ''how not to enforce new rules'''
Owh yeah... keep mod duties to things done on this site, instead of off the site. Thank you very much.
And for the slightest chance to get them back. A true hearthfelt apology needs to be made, and i would even say some mods needs to get sacked and i wouldnt blame them. I would stay away as well
Owh yeah... keep mod duties to things done on this site, instead of off the site. Thank you very much.
And for the slightest chance to get them back. A true hearthfelt apology needs to be made, and i would even say some mods needs to get sacked and i wouldnt blame them. I would stay away as well
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Wow we propably lost Chris, Lelouch said he doesn't wanna continue and we definetly lost Bruno MB thanks to someone being petty.
Good Job Mods and Admins on killing maybe the biggest thing that made this place stand out to other gaming forums and discords.
gg
Good Job Mods and Admins on killing maybe the biggest thing that made this place stand out to other gaming forums and discords.
gg
Just because I'm willing to play along with this new situation doesn't excuse the fact that none of this was handled right. Absolutely none of it, regardless of what intentions staff had, or what their endgame for better discussion is, absolutely none of that excuses how this was proceeded.
I have been absolutely livid the past 24 hours on how any of this went down, about how any of this required the force that was shown. And I won't forget it. Just because you didn't mean for this to happen, or mean for it to look like it happened because of certain reasons does not take away that it still happened. I'd say I would hope staff will do better with this community from this point forward, but I don't have much to go with.
See you next thread.
I have been absolutely livid the past 24 hours on how any of this went down, about how any of this required the force that was shown. And I won't forget it. Just because you didn't mean for this to happen, or mean for it to look like it happened because of certain reasons does not take away that it still happened. I'd say I would hope staff will do better with this community from this point forward, but I don't have much to go with.
See you next thread.
The point is moderations are not up to him and if he comes back as he was he will be banned longer next.
I'm sorry but this is a very white washed picture of how these events went. Especially the monster hunter situation. There is a level of vitriol when anyone has suggested games that are typically exclusive to Nintendo go multiplatform versus the pervasive "wisdom" of all playstation exclusive games should target switch/current Nintendo product and port up. I've followed this community since gaming age and opa age were a thing. It's always been the same thing "every game should be on my console of choice" whether that be PlayStation, Xbox or Nintendo veiled as sales analysis. The discourse usually stayed more balanced before ERA and groups could mass report to drive out dissenting opinions. I recall near MHW's release when a thoughtful, fair and reasonable poster Test (I believe their name was) being threatened with a "report" for posting preorder data that showed MHW may actually be successful in Japan.
Also the continued talk about consulting the "regulars" will just leave this community to remain the way it is and shows a lack of self awareness and introspection. We'll be right back to this point again when the next big non switch game hits.
Anyway that's my two cents. I've regulated my self to just reading the chart each week anyway. Only reason I know about this is that it has spilled over to the rest of the internet. My main point is that calling people "trolls" and blaming "outsiders" for the issues in the thread is exactly the issue with the discourse in the thread. It shouldn't be treated as some safe space and that mentality won't lead to any changes but maybe that's the goal.
What differnces does it make if he stays away, doesn't contribute or gets permad? We will loose THE PERSON with the biggest insights and knowledge on this platform for this stuff.
Usually off site drama is is being frowned up on and shouldnt be brought up in here ?
Ive seen people criticize mods or ERA on other sites/twitter before, this is the first time ive seen someone getting straight up permabanned for it. Especially since there was no warning or the user never had any bans or issues on ERA before that. It just comes out of left field for some of us.
Is it part of the ERA rules that off site comments will get you banned ? I never witnessed it so its new to me.
To be fair i dont know what the comment sounded like and what the issue was between bruno and the mod but it must have been severe for that result. Maybe there was a history between the two, i dont have any insight to.
While I agree that discussion here was becoming far too aggressive and kinda like a closed circle, and there was a need for mods intervention, the way to deal with it left a very bad taste in my mouth and it seems all of us feel that way, Its too controlling, it made me feel like we are in kindergarten, being told what to say and what not to say. c'mon, we are not kids. for example the idea of "accusations" is very strange, its called discussion and theorizing and there are many things that point to such practices existing strongly (like CC2 videos, and I can dig up many other pieces here and there), we are not making things out of thin air nor are we "taking sides for our favorite company", if you think we are wrong disapprove us then, instead of forcing strict rules that will make this thread nothing but a cheerleading circle. Believe me no company is patting an eye over our discussions.
This is not mentioning the idea of "port begging" because discussion about the release of a game is not the same as port begging at all (even though I admit port begging happens here sometimes and in other parts of the forum as well). so now if I tried to discuss why game A or B is releasing or not releasing on X or Y system, I should expect to be banned because maybe I will be reported or a mod can read my intentions like whatever they want? What are we supposed to discuss exactly in this thread? I support the idea of quality discussion strongly but this will not lead to it.
I would also say that Chris didn't deserve a ban even for one day, he has always been a very respectful person, never attacked or insulted any other member, and if he disagreed with a mod, it shouldn't lead to himget banned in any way. I will be very honest and I'll say that Chris is the main reason why I check here every day and I always search for his replies along some others, his insights are valuable and they are creating a community or at least helping to create it greatly, if Chris decided to move on I'll simply follow, its the members who create the community, and Chris is not even the only valuable sales member who has been mistreated.
This is some honest feedback about the most important thread here to me, if it became unnecessary, any mod can feel free to delete it.
This is not mentioning the idea of "port begging" because discussion about the release of a game is not the same as port begging at all (even though I admit port begging happens here sometimes and in other parts of the forum as well). so now if I tried to discuss why game A or B is releasing or not releasing on X or Y system, I should expect to be banned because maybe I will be reported or a mod can read my intentions like whatever they want? What are we supposed to discuss exactly in this thread? I support the idea of quality discussion strongly but this will not lead to it.
I would also say that Chris didn't deserve a ban even for one day, he has always been a very respectful person, never attacked or insulted any other member, and if he disagreed with a mod, it shouldn't lead to himget banned in any way. I will be very honest and I'll say that Chris is the main reason why I check here every day and I always search for his replies along some others, his insights are valuable and they are creating a community or at least helping to create it greatly, if Chris decided to move on I'll simply follow, its the members who create the community, and Chris is not even the only valuable sales member who has been mistreated.
This is some honest feedback about the most important thread here to me, if it became unnecessary, any mod can feel free to delete it.
Yeah that's understandable, after all the hard work he provided.
This is probably my last time interacting with those thread (if they continue) as well since at best you'd just have numbers but no explanation as to what is currently happening in Japan.
God, where was this ages ago near the founding of era? Why was there such a fight to get GonzotheGreat banned which cost plenty of users for bringing up off-site drama about him who was an openly nazi pedo everywhere but era. Same exact thing happened with Black Chambers who was an openly MAGA nazi everywhere but era.
The first instance we see of banning a person for saying something off-site and it's a remark about an admin and nothing even remotely comparable to harassment or even similar to the above or any other times mods and admins wouldn't listen about fascists on the forums.
The first instance we see of banning a person for saying something off-site and it's a remark about an admin and nothing even remotely comparable to harassment or even similar to the above or any other times mods and admins wouldn't listen about fascists on the forums.
What rock you living under? Lots of dangerous people hate this site because it's largely left-leaning. There is a history of mods and regular posters being harassed off-site so of course they shouldn't allowed to continue being members here if they're engaging in that sort of activity.
The posts I read in here after that first staff post were some of the most childish, dramatic, and entitled posts I've ever read on this site. People were absolutely acting like children in here and still are. This is a thread about video game sales data. If everyone took a breather for a couple of days instead of posting hostile shit you all wouldn't be in this situation.
If that's what you remember then you either have a bad understanding of what happened or just a bad memory.
The problem was that it was posting daily comgnet preorders for weeks, something which was never done before and never happened afterwards, and it litterally took pages and pages of every thread with the same exact reactions to the same daily chart with a few extra preorders daily.
The fact is Comgnet is a chain of 13 retail stores that accounts for <0.1% of sales in Japan but was occupying close to half the content of the thread at times with most of it being straightforward chearleading, most members just asked to come back for weekly updates (which is roughly how it was before and how it's been since) because nothing meaningful ever came from these daily posts.
To try to frame it as "MC thread trying to hide MHW future success under the rug" is completely ridiculous (you can't hide numbers here)
If you're talking about "other preorder data" though feel free to share
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Left leaning? Maybe to right wingers and fascists. But really, era is more Libertarian.
To go off-topic for a bit, I've been in a lot of threads since the founding, and one thing I've noticed and talk about all the time on my own Twitter is how profoundly sinophobic era has been that is no different from even outside of the forums. How anti-sex and sex negative the forums are. etc. etc. There's a large lacking in intersectionality on this forum when it comes to a lot of discussion, and it's only gotten worse because plenty have left over poor moderation and failing to prevent a lot of preventable things.
Also because Chris was providing us updated information about retailers' shipment.
We are talking about person that was a ERA member for years until yesterday ? Lets not leave out that context.
Its not like he was some nutjob harassing ERA and it mods for years (at least not that i know of). Sorry that i dont follow 24/7 what is being said on other plattform about ERA - how am i supposed to know behind the scene stuff when i dont engage in it and it usually gets shut down when being discussed here as well? I mostly surf and get my info directly from ERA.
All i said is i didnt know that people get permabanned for off site comments unless they are severe in terms of insulting people or for some crazy comments.
Maybe im too naive for whatever goes on behind the scene and off site but as a regular member its weird to see a sales era pillar of years just getting permbanned without actually knowing what happened. If there is some lack of transparency its normal that people gonna ask for stuff to be clarified.
To end this discussion, seems it was known that off site actions will result in a ban on ERA - that was new to me, good to know.
As one of the more frequently dissenting voices in the thread I'm not sure what going thermonuclear is meant to achieve. You've all had ample opportunity to come in and tell people to chill the fuck out.
I'm not sure why it's being pinned on "Tales drama" either when said drama consisted of an argument mainly between me and several other based on the actual data, and whether that represented a good result or not for the series based on the past results. When people got too heated again they should have been told to cool off.
It's abundantly clear that the catalyst for this was Chris being undeniably rude about comments Matsuyama made, but I don't think the way CVXFreak responded was particularly productive. The new guidelines suggest that the less in the know should be educated with data but we were all basically called ignorant and told to educate ourselves.
I'm not sure what outcome you want for the community based on the guidelines but if it's more open, back and forth discussion you're not going to get it. The end result will be that these threads become cheerleading opportunities rife with misinformation as long as it's said in a nice way and is positive about something. People will be afraid to challenge it lest they be seen as too negative of a publisher, industry figure, platform or the user they are responding to.
I'm not sure why it's being pinned on "Tales drama" either when said drama consisted of an argument mainly between me and several other based on the actual data, and whether that represented a good result or not for the series based on the past results. When people got too heated again they should have been told to cool off.
It's abundantly clear that the catalyst for this was Chris being undeniably rude about comments Matsuyama made, but I don't think the way CVXFreak responded was particularly productive. The new guidelines suggest that the less in the know should be educated with data but we were all basically called ignorant and told to educate ourselves.
I'm not sure what outcome you want for the community based on the guidelines but if it's more open, back and forth discussion you're not going to get it. The end result will be that these threads become cheerleading opportunities rife with misinformation as long as it's said in a nice way and is positive about something. People will be afraid to challenge it lest they be seen as too negative of a publisher, industry figure, platform or the user they are responding to.
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