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User banned (1 week): Mod whining, using an extremely inappropriate comparison invoking minority groups
These types of sweeping guidelines have worked out so well in the past and will definitely fix things.
*looks at PC Era, AsiaEra and Trans Era*
I just don't have any faith in that.
User banned (10 days): Inappropriate comparisons, long history of platform warring
XboxEra too.
Except that this is exactly what most of us want. If bad posters were actually banned on a consistent basis in the first place, these rules wouldn't have to be in place.
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Staff are open to criticism regarding the rules we set in place, especially when it is taken to the appropriate channels. However, that criticism should never jump the line into attacking staff or conspiratorial accusations of bias.
It also shouldn't jump the line into equating the issues of minority communities with video game sales data.
Behave yourselves. Any posts violating any rules here or in cvx's post will be actioned accordingly.
Staff are open to criticism regarding the rules we set in place, especially when it is taken to the appropriate channels. However, that criticism should never jump the line into attacking staff or conspiratorial accusations of bias.
It also shouldn't jump the line into equating the issues of minority communities with video game sales data.
Behave yourselves. Any posts violating any rules here or in cvx's post will be actioned accordingly.
Have to say, I've been impressed with Ring Fit over the weeks. I remember the early days when there was no stock, I thought it would lose the opportunity to capitalise on that launch wave, but it's been there, continuing to smoulder away.
I don't really think y'all are open to criticisms if the immediate response is to ban a lot of people for being heated in their words. This is exactly what the trolls wanted too. How do any of you expect us to have faith in you when you keep repeating the same exact mistake over and over with no change to your strategy. No reflection to what you're doing to a community or communities. And no sensibility to your actions. No, instead you keep repeatedly playing into the hands of bad actors every time.
Maybe try communication and participation. Maybe try verbal warnings, rather than immediately going for the hammer. You shook the entire community in a single night and just going on a banning spree only increases the magnitude and aftershock.
Maybe try communication and participation. Maybe try verbal warnings, rather than immediately going for the hammer. You shook the entire community in a single night and just going on a banning spree only increases the magnitude and aftershock.
What is there to say? The fact that Chris has yet to be addressed at all is telling...
User banned (2 weeks): Antagonistic meta-commentary and platform wars, multiple prior bans for platform wars
Not gonna lie, it's hard to read the staff post as anything other than endorsement for the pro-PlayStation trolling that's been plaguing this thread for a while.
I really didn't see anyone do this though. People were just comparing the behaviour of the staff, they weren't comparing the issues of minority communities with sales data. I don't think it's fair to those people to pretend otherwise.
Yep agreed. In a post where they say they are open to criticism, their contradictory actions speak louder than their words. I was not 'active' back then, but IIRC it is generally accepted that for the Cyperpunk debacle the mods have accepted that they made mistakes. Yet pointing out that same/similar mistakes are being arguably repeated here is not acceptable? Why?
User Banned (3 Days): Antagonistic meta-commentary and platform wars
The narrative in Western media is quite clear, painting Playstation as the undisputed market leader worldwide, that actual information is available that clearly demonstrates the opposite in certain markets is a thorn to a lot of eyes. Even Microsoft/Xbox has to deal with this unfair treatment, despite of their immense financial resources. That's also a reason that quite a few people would like less data and would be even favourable for MediaCreate Threads to disappear just to push their misleading marketing narrative with no contradiction . Because with verifiable data you can call out, misleading narrative. That there seems to be a push to position specific corporations and their leaders above criticism is very unfortunate. You can criticise Nintendo and Xbox all you want in many threads, but IT IS obvious where often the actual lines are drawn and it's obvious to whose favour and whose detriment these lines are drawn, there is a clear parttern.
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Yeah I really don't like how this whole thing has been handled. Community consultation was needed here especially with more prominent members of the community.
The thing I don't understand is that all that was really needed was more regular moderation and letting people know to cool off a bit. I don't think we needed an 8 point manual to posting in media create threads. Just regular reminders that this thread is actually being moderated and letting people know to knock it off when they become too passive aggressive or trolling gets out of hand.
You can't let it fester and then go nuclear like this.
The thing I don't understand is that all that was really needed was more regular moderation and letting people know to cool off a bit. I don't think we needed an 8 point manual to posting in media create threads. Just regular reminders that this thread is actually being moderated and letting people know to knock it off when they become too passive aggressive or trolling gets out of hand.
You can't let it fester and then go nuclear like this.
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I don't post in these threads often more of a lurker but have been since the GAF days and even made the first MC thread on era after the transition while waiting for chris to get an approved account. I do hope Chris keeps making these threads as it is one of the only I actively check and lurk on here outside of a few box OT threads, and I need Hisa-uns tables and graphs every week ha.
That being said, I know this thread has always been more of a community thread rather than purely discussing the weekly sales, but right now I think we all/people need to just take a step back and a breather and just go back to talking about sales right now. Im sure the threads will generally remain the same going forward. We just need to see how things go. The mods have already said they will be open to feedback if we feel things aren't working so if they aren't we should feedback to them in a constructive way and discuss between us how that should be done.
Anyway, Lost Judgment this week. I'm sure we have another underperforming PS5 title on our hands (for JPN) but I assume PS5 will do the WW heavy lifting to balance that out for Sega. I'll be buying on xbox.
That being said, I know this thread has always been more of a community thread rather than purely discussing the weekly sales, but right now I think we all/people need to just take a step back and a breather and just go back to talking about sales right now. Im sure the threads will generally remain the same going forward. We just need to see how things go. The mods have already said they will be open to feedback if we feel things aren't working so if they aren't we should feedback to them in a constructive way and discuss between us how that should be done.
Anyway, Lost Judgment this week. I'm sure we have another underperforming PS5 title on our hands (for JPN) but I assume PS5 will do the WW heavy lifting to balance that out for Sega. I'll be buying on xbox.
Because they are the ones having the biggest audience tied to them for the genre.
In terms of sales SE is really hard to read because for some titles they keep updating sales and for others they only do it for the first couple months. It seems to change based which teams are behind the game how open they talk sales. Likes theres no way SE is increasing budget (which we have credible rumors for) for Part 2 if Part 1 didnt exceed their expectations.
But this went on to long so my point is: they invest in the biggest player because it has the biggest audience tied to their big titles. Even if others are growing still no one is touching FF in sales outside of other SE IPs (WW, Japan might change).
I really don't see a single mod action in this thread that seems reasonable outside of the thread lock, TBH
I think the best thing we can do for the rest of the night/morning is try to talk about sales. Even if we were to give feedback on guidelines, I don't think any of us, mods included, are cooled off enough yet.
Hopefully if and when Chris comes back we can have a thorough discussion about the rules and how they affect both sides of this situation.
Hopefully if and when Chris comes back we can have a thorough discussion about the rules and how they affect both sides of this situation.
I think that even if Cvx felt that Chris' tone was getting too heated and thus warranted a ban, it is undeniable imo that punishing him for trolling with a ban was going to upset the community, given its ongoing issue with trolling in these threads and the lack of bans.
As a lurker and an absolute nobody, I felt like the original exchange was handled poorly in general, there was heavy sarcasm but I also personally felt that Cvx's first post was a bit condescending and patronizing in its tone. Both of those don't seem like a huge deal to me and definitely didn't need such an escalation.
More moderation is definitely welcomed, because I think that the lack of it is what contributed to this, and why Chris' ban feels so egregious. I hope the new guidelines will serve the posters (and readers! I see that many like me lurk these threads because of the great info they provide) of this thread well.
Just my two cents.
As a lurker and an absolute nobody, I felt like the original exchange was handled poorly in general, there was heavy sarcasm but I also personally felt that Cvx's first post was a bit condescending and patronizing in its tone. Both of those don't seem like a huge deal to me and definitely didn't need such an escalation.
More moderation is definitely welcomed, because I think that the lack of it is what contributed to this, and why Chris' ban feels so egregious. I hope the new guidelines will serve the posters (and readers! I see that many like me lurk these threads because of the great info they provide) of this thread well.
Just my two cents.
User Banned (Permanent): Modwhining Over a Series of Posts, Inflammatory Comparison, Prior Severe Ban, Hostile Misuse of the Ticket System
Now news, Resetera mod will never change anything and will ban anyone who dare to criticize them. See you at Etika thread. It's that same shit all over again.
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Feels like the first mod post stemmed from a lack of familiarity with this community, which provoked a unanimous negative reaction from regulars, then the moderation doubled down on their mistake with a slew of bans directed at the wrong people. This community is possibly in jeopardy due to a lack of understanding of the real problems these threads had been facing. If the moderation admits their unfamiliarity with a community and all the regulars of said community react negatively to the moderation's decisions, that should be a big sign that doubling down on that is not the answer. Bad night for the Media Create community, and I think a huge mistake on the moderation's part.
It's pretty difficult to just pretend this never happened and just jump back into sales discussion, people are heated and want to have their say about a community we all care about. Things might cool down and we can hopefully get back to what this thread should be about.
Not saying we should just forget, just that note might not be the best time for discussion regarding the recent bans and such. Right now a lot us are in emotional mind and we would all communicate our thoughts better when we return to our rational minds. Even if what we're saying may be valid, it's likely to come out the wrong way and result in more bans or regretful comments.
Honestly it's hard to go back to talking about sales right now with the ban graveyard that happened. I feel this should have been discussed with the whole community some more and not just a part of it.
Right now it feels like only the regulars got banned.
Right now it feels like only the regulars got banned.
Regardless of past experiences with other threads, I doubt cvxfreak appreciates people assuming motivations or putting words in their mouth. I asked him some questions to clarify some of the rules and the answers I got were that the team was open to feedback and the rules would apply to all.
by saying that this thread is doomed to fail, it makes light of cvxfreak's comments, which I don't think they would appreciate.
if we say the mods are unlikely to change and that they've doomed these weekly threads…well you're sure as hell unlikely to convince them to come to the table to discuss bans, conduct, and rules going forward. We should at least give them a fair opportunity to prove their statements true.
by saying that this thread is doomed to fail, it makes light of cvxfreak's comments, which I don't think they would appreciate.
if we say the mods are unlikely to change and that they've doomed these weekly threads…well you're sure as hell unlikely to convince them to come to the table to discuss bans, conduct, and rules going forward. We should at least give them a fair opportunity to prove their statements true.
More PlayStation 4s were sold than Xbox Ones that is a fact. Actually it's maybe a fact since Xbox now hides console sale numbers but I doubt they sold 118m Xbox Ones.
It's ironic yeah, especially when it's Hatsushiba who's leading the Tri Crescendo team on this.
Considering how small they are I'd say working on Tales has been Tri Crescendo main gig for the last 6 years or so
Going back to the Brandolini's law this is effectively penalizing active users who have to put up with a lot of work and organizing informations litterally taking hours or more to actively refute a user like Caiops*, the current flavour of Sony's cheerleading in this thread, have been refuted properly many times already but only to see the "constructive post" being dismissed with a "oh ok", only to see aforementioned poster coming back full force with another completely uninformed post the next week if not a few days later in the exact same thread.
Cue and repeat the same cyclical stuff for years, with the same kind of users showing actual 0 interest in data, making no efforts to educate themselves and improve their knowledge despite having access to 99% of the same sources every regular users here have (which are, just for info)
- Gamesdatalibrary
- Garaph
- Media Create CY thread XXXX (replace XXXX with the year you're looking for on google search, 2017 and onwards are on era, before that on the old place), also actually the best source of data since it's up to dat with LTD numbers and MC is more widely used in the japanese videogame industry
- And of course historical weekly sales data available in every single first post of every single MC threads
That's it, all it takes is a quick google search and or a few clicks, if you don't bother doing that before posting your single line troll post for the XXth time then it's fair to say these users aren't worth anyone's time and their contribution aren't worth anything there, yet they're the main culprit in the escalation that happened the past few years and some cross thread drama that seemingly happenes (or so I heard, you will struggle to find me somewhere else than MC threads and a couple of completely unrelated threads on Era).
However I do agree that dozen of pages of meme sales stuff is getting old (and also ruffle some feathers I imagine), I already made my stance clear over the years about the fact this thread would be better off with less but more informative posts and the past couple years with Nintendo's dominance here have been more and more tiring lately making it hard to find the worthy information inside what's becoming closer to some kind of discord channel/4chan thread at times.
Not everyone needs to react to everything in every thread, this is just noise and not contribution
Though the biggest problem remains by far the first, not the second one.
* I guess it might count as antagonizing a user, but at some point you need to call a spade and spade since no action is taken whatsoever
No need to get all emotional because of a days ban. I'll follow these threads where ever they go but this has been a much better place for these discussions then the old place for example. There the mods actively participated and gave out bans for pretty much any opinion that was a different from theirs and people were quickly labeled as fanboys. Man I hated that place.
Yeah CVX is open to discussion. But of course this won't stop the reactions to some of the actions by moderation here.
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As someone who enjoys lurking these threads, I have to say there is absolutely an incredible amount of condescension on display from the regulars. It's shy of outright stating 'if you thought x would sell better than y you are either a troll or a stupid idiot', but that is often the message.
Just my $0.02
Just my $0.02
It took me some time in my long "Forums' member career", but some day I came to the conclusion that the ignore list is the best.
Yeah that is definitely true for some of the regular posters here. Some think they have a patent on the thread or something. I can name a select few that think their opinion is the only truth there is but I won't for the sake of being nice to people.
Anyway I am curious how Metroid will perform. Wonder if it can have legs and reach decent sales.
I think for a lot of people there is a suspicion that the ban Chris got was an example of exactly this though. Seeing as people who were trolling other people, and doing it way more often, didn't even get a warning.
OK..what is going on here? Chris ist banned? Like, forever? What is going on? Just read the staff post, and i am really sad what is going on. I'm sorry for asking, but why is Chris banned? I tried to find out, but dont get it.
Will the MC Threads continue?
Will the MC Threads continue?
It's a 1 day ban. We don't know if he will return. He was banned for some snarky posts and trolling.
No matter what happens this won't end Resetera as a whole (not the same situation but even the other site still exists, haha), but depending on how things proceed it could end the MC threads as we know them (and so the main motivation for coming to Resetera for an unknown number of posters/lurkers). If that happens, any replacement Japan sales thread in Resetera will most likely look quite similar to the Japan sales thread on the other site (not a sight to behold...),
Oh wow...
While I appreciate that mods are finally taking action and spent some time elaborating those guidelines, which make sense in part... I can't help but feel they don't tackle the root of the problem, as others have expressed more eloquently. With all due respect, I think the whole matter is being approached through the wrong lenses. I definitely can't agree with the decision of banning Chris. And yes, it would have been nice if the community was consulted before constructing any guidelines.
These posts are just a small selection of what I feel are great points that hopefully the mod team takes into account.
While I appreciate that mods are finally taking action and spent some time elaborating those guidelines, which make sense in part... I can't help but feel they don't tackle the root of the problem, as others have expressed more eloquently. With all due respect, I think the whole matter is being approached through the wrong lenses. I definitely can't agree with the decision of banning Chris. And yes, it would have been nice if the community was consulted before constructing any guidelines.
These posts are just a small selection of what I feel are great points that hopefully the mod team takes into account.
This is a fun one, counting the amount of games they have released on Nintendo Switch should be enough evidence, shouldn't be?
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