Sure, but as far as I remember, a major part of the purpose of this argument (that sales from asian countries could offset some of the decline in certain games) was to "justify" Sony getting exclusivity on this or that game even though it seemed to be declining in japan. So these charts shed a very different light on that "justification".
I wouldn't say "overrepresented". they're a company who's actively swimming against the flow in Japan, which is striking to people given their relative size and previous sales.
are there even any examples of japanese games that don't cover both of these points?
the home console market in japan has been declining since the ps2, and will continue to decline. a late switch port selling less than the ps4 version doesn't negate that. with vita now being dead, their current strategy isn't going to work out well for them in the long term.
You can see clear decline when looking at the Trails of Cold Steel series:
So just like many other late ports that fail to sell more than 10-20% of the original release?
gust is a good example of a company that was quick to adapt to the new market. had they kept their games to ps4/vita, they would have likely been in trouble by now, now that vita is no longer an option.
Why do you think it's exclusive and won't be ported to the Switch after a year or two?
Because Ys VIII on PS4 which released 10 months after the initial release on Vita sold around 65k retail. Think about that. A late port, something that is always used an excuse for very low sales, sold ~80% of what its original release did. That's for a Vita game.
Actually Ys VIII was announced as PS4/Vita title from day one, everyone knew a PS4 version was in work from initial reveal.
That's using the logic they provided to show why their logic makes no sense. A late port is a late port. Whether or not it's known from day one that another platform release is coming doesn't matter. It's a late port.
I see. In that case, the arguement would be a bit different indeed. I still dont think these charts proves much so far however. We've only had them for like 2 months now i think, its only top 5 without numbers (and retail only), and there havnt been any big PS4 titles in that period (from what i can remember). I'm not complaining though, just saying that its too little information to tell much about overall performance of the different systems.
I'm hoping Ryza does well. Really enjoying the trailers they have released for it thus far.
What jump are you talking about? There's barely any difference between the PS4 and Vita version of Ys VIII
A better comparison for Ys VIII Switch is Trails of Cold Steel 1 and 2 on PS4.
Games released on the PS3 where PS4 owners had already played them? Interesting comparison you have there. Allows me to see how your brain equates a 2 year old late port with a 5 year old late port on another generation of consoles. Fascinating.
There are two reasons, besides the one that schuelma gave about YS VIII PS4 being much less nebulous than DQXI S, why DQXI S is not going to do comparable to the 3ds or PS4 releases.
Fascinating. Not even remotely tangential to the discussion at hand. Is that your retort when you can no longer sustain your own argument?
The handheld version of DX XI is very much different for the Switch than it was for the 3DS. If you're not aware of this, then I'd understand your point here. Otherwise it looks like you're saying that the handheld audience is only satisfied by the retro 2D version.
My ears are always open for those who can support their logic and rational and don't stoop to "why so mad bro XD" level of comments. A forum is a place for discussion, and I'm always open to it. However, telling the person you are trying to rebut to "relax" isn't based in any sort of logic and just looks like someone seeking a quick out instead of continuing discussion.
that's such an apples and oranges comparison
I am aware of that. Since DQ has a mainstream audience, though, I do not believe that people playing the 3ds version are simply going to be swayed to double dip on the Switch version because it is the UE4 version en masse. There is a large difference between not having any version of the game and having a version of the game, even if that version is visually vastly different.
And if you knew the Ys audience, you'd know that graphics has never, ever, been Nihon Falcom's strong point. It's all about the story, characters, and (most importantly I've found for Ys fans) gameplay.
I beg your pardon? Why would you say I'm "getting worked up" by simply questioning why the poster had abandoned his own argument? I've always loved debates of thoughts and ideas, and I do wonder why people are so quick to flee from their own arguments.
