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Media Create Sales: Week 14, 2020 (Mar 30 - Apr 05)
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Okay, Persona 5 Royal is one game. One game does not make it a trend. All it says is "This is possible" but you'd need more than that to make a strong point. 20% is being used because we have actual data from credible reports that gave the percent of digital sales of all platforms. That's all people are asking for, just data to make educated guesses. I would agree 40% is likely going to be closer to the reality due to corona virus BUT we have 0 data in the Japanese market about how digital has improved due to the virus. The best we currently have is European data suggesting significantly higher digital sale. Not sure what you're tweaking for.
Unless I'm blind, where does that post exclude digital?
No you're absolutely right it's best to compare FFXV to FFVII equally and without consideration of circumstances, my bad.
I don't see anyone thinking FFVIIR won't have relatively high digital sales, and higher than normal too considering the pandemic.
The issue is trying to pin down an exact percentage, which is impossible to do right now. A good range is probably anywhere from 25% to 50%.
The issue is trying to pin down an exact percentage, which is impossible to do right now. A good range is probably anywhere from 25% to 50%.
The other games released recently which we've had data about digital sales have also had a ratio of 40% or more (Granblue Fantasy, 13 Sentinels, Atelier Ryza, Yakuza 7?). I'm referring to Persona because it's the most similar situation but digital sales have improved since that 20% average.
agreed on the numbers, if ff7 opens closer to 500k then say 700k I'll believe digital will be higher but that's my guess
13 Sentinels was supply constrained, Granblue Vs and RGG7 included Asia.
You're basing everything off one datapoint here really if you're claiming a standard 40% PS4 digital ratio in Japan.
I see there is some preemptive defense of FF7R in case it opens lower than FF15. It will probably open higher than FF15, so I don't see the reason to have a huge panic.
It's ridiculous to just throw these random guesses out for digital that we rarely get. Nintendo actually provides a breakdown at the end of the quarter, making for useful discussion. The average PS4 digital attach rate is not 40%, we know that.
Granblue was also supply constrained.
It's ridiculous to just throw these random guesses out for digital that we rarely get. Nintendo actually provides a breakdown at the end of the quarter, making for useful discussion. The average PS4 digital attach rate is not 40%, we know that.
Next gen I'm sure we'll be counting imaginary PSNow players for a lot titles.
It probably will but due to operations rather than actual supply.
Where am I saying that the standard is 40%? I'm saying if Persona 5 did it so could FFVII Remake. But in my opinion that's the higher end so something below 40% is what I think. Also the tweet for Granblue Fantasy mentions Japan only.
Also FFVII Remake is supply constrained (sold out at some online retailers and only honoring pre-orders at others, apparently) so that's doesn't make the comparison any less valid, except maybe 13 Sentinels since that one was really out of stock but the digital ratio is also above 40% for that one.
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It's not impossible but it's the optimistic scenario. We still have to see how Switch running out of stock will impact sales since it limits newcomers that are a new audience.
putting the argument aside, i just want to say i appreciate the wordplay
Wouldnt only honoring pre-orders indicate supply issue? Or why would they only allow people who pre-ordered it to pick it up?
Gematsu reported Granblue sales included Japan and Asia.
And the point is we really don't have enough consistent datapoints. When we only had 2-3 for Switch after NSO people were also cautioning against these sort of predictions based off them.
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I think it does include Steam however.
no doubt, guess it'll be more clearer in a few weeks. It really does depend on stock for nsw and how well AC sells. At least we can agree 5mil should be the floor
Edit: Regardless where it ends up this quarter, it has a big shot of becoming number 1 in Japan.
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These are the 5-6 Nintendo games that we got info for digital sales just in a single quarter.
[NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} (¥5.980) - 4.210.000 / 4.210.000
[NSW] Luigi's Mansion 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.10.31} (¥5.980) - 730.000 / 730.000
[NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} (¥7.980) - 630.000 / 630.000
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980) - 340.000 / 3.250.000
[NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200) - 320.000 / 4.220.000
[NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980) - 280.000 / 1.680.000
[NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} (¥5.980) - 240.000 / 1.120.000
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 130.000 / 1.930.000
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <New Super Mario Bros. U \ New Super Luigi U> <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980) - 90.000 / 950.000
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2019.09.20} (¥5.980) - 70.000 / 420.000
[NSW] Fire Emblem: Three Houses # <SLG> (Nintendo) {2019.07.26} (¥6.980) - 50.000 / 530.000
[NSW] Splatoon 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - * / 3.780.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - * / 2.410.000
[NSW] Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu! / Let's Go, Eevee! # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2018.11.16} (¥5.980) - * / 2.050.000
[NSW] Astral Chain # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.08.30} (¥7.980) - * / 160.000
[NSW] Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.07.19} (¥6.980) - * / 40.000
[NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} (¥5.980) - 4.210.000 / 4.210.000
[NSW] Luigi's Mansion 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.10.31} (¥5.980) - 730.000 / 730.000
[NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} (¥7.980) - 630.000 / 630.000
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980) - 340.000 / 3.250.000
[NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200) - 320.000 / 4.220.000
[NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980) - 280.000 / 1.680.000
[NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} (¥5.980) - 240.000 / 1.120.000
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 130.000 / 1.930.000
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <New Super Mario Bros. U \ New Super Luigi U> <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980) - 90.000 / 950.000
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2019.09.20} (¥5.980) - 70.000 / 420.000
[NSW] Fire Emblem: Three Houses # <SLG> (Nintendo) {2019.07.26} (¥6.980) - 50.000 / 530.000
[NSW] Splatoon 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - * / 3.780.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - * / 2.410.000
[NSW] Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu! / Let's Go, Eevee! # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2018.11.16} (¥5.980) - * / 2.050.000
[NSW] Astral Chain # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.08.30} (¥7.980) - * / 160.000
[NSW] Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.07.19} (¥6.980) - * / 40.000
Do digital sales not count? Also consider there's no voucher program that will eat into the profit margins.
he literally doesn't even reference digital sales so what makes you think he isn't including that in his *guess*
Also, love the subtle voucher dig.
Need to lay the groundwork so any percieved weakness of FF7R sales can be explained away.
until SE tells us the digital numbers, the only measure is physical
Dont forget all the bundles giving the game away for free though. Thats gonna bite into the margines much more than some vouchers.
There's a fine line between calling out the alleged hypocrisy of a thread of users and calling out a specific post that later corrects itself. But hey I don't expect some people to not knee jerk at the initial post.
Aaaaaaayyyyyyy.
Aaaaaaayyyyyyy.
It will forever be a mystery how and why we discuss Nintendo's digital sales so much.
Yeah, I was gonna say. There's a reason the only games that have vouchers are first party games.
Indeed. And if PS4 HW is more anemic than expected I'm sure that'll be baked into the defense as well.
This thread lmao. Some posters really must have no shame.
Yeah, uh, that's regardless of physical or digital, right?
That's part of why Sony's "code" (as discussed in previous pages) is working so well for them.
He probably should though considering how certain people forget about digital when it suits.
It's not a dig, but they do cut into profits. Now in this case profits are shared between Nintendo and Sony but don't Sony pay for exclusivity so their cut is partially negated? Also isn't ff7 sold more then some first party games meaning there's a bigger cut to dish out?
Looking at amazon FF7 is 8080¥ while animal crossing is only 5860¥ and Ghost of Tsushima is only 6000¥. So as we can seen theirs a bigger slice per copy to be carved up.
Whats the difference from Nintendo giving Apple and Google 30% for their mobile games?
So if any one discuss valid reason why ff7 might have a higher digital radio?
It's a premptive defence ?
We are a defence force if we discuss this ?
It's a premptive defence ?
We are a defence force if we discuss this ?
I didn't know Nintendo offered vouchers for Switch games on their mobile games.
Sure but if there's going to be a dig about vouchers meaning left money then...
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uh huh. we could start talking about dev costs if you really want to start down this path.
I'm just so glad you are only interested in genuine discussion and are not using an innocent cheerleading personality to get digs in without having to own up to them.
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Anyway, it seems people are getting triggered from the notion that the PS4 and its games continue to expand digitally in Japan and that FF7R will be the (unfortunate) beneficiary of the current COVID-19 pandemic. We are down to one public tracker (not even the official tracker used by the big three in Japan) and I expect it to shutter its public numbers within the fiscal year. Hopefully that will bring some better topics to this much needed thread, maybe it'll be about the games.
Lol, yea it would be great for Japanese video game sales discussion to not have numbers to talk about!!
My God people let's try a bit harder
We just want to talk about the pure joy and celebration of video games. No charts!!! Charts and numbers are bad!!