If he doesn't get convicted but they still find crimes it makes it easier to hold the Rs who didn't hold the vote, abstained, or voted against impeachment accountable for their actions. Debate season is going to be vicious after the primaries.
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McConnell and Graham to introduce Senate resolution condemning House impeachment inquiry
- Thread starter chadskin
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Impeachment Before Christmas
PROS
- Satisfies need for immediate gratification
- Provides plenty of opportunities to say some variant of "Christmas came early"
- Lessens chance of public becoming bored with proceedings that could determine the fate of our republic
- Clears the way for House to do what they were elected to do; pass pointless messaging bills
CONS
- Allows easily distracted and forgetful public to push impeachment out of mind during 2019 election
- Might interrupt November sweeps
- Peaches not in season; poor timing for inevitable parties looking to use peach ingredients
- Leaves nation with nothing to look forward to for 2020
PROS
- Satisfies need for immediate gratification
- Provides plenty of opportunities to say some variant of "Christmas came early"
- Lessens chance of public becoming bored with proceedings that could determine the fate of our republic
- Clears the way for House to do what they were elected to do; pass pointless messaging bills
CONS
- Allows easily distracted and forgetful public to push impeachment out of mind during 2019 election
- Might interrupt November sweeps
- Peaches not in season; poor timing for inevitable parties looking to use peach ingredients
- Leaves nation with nothing to look forward to for 2020
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I just want to see him put on the spot with a question he was not expecting.
You mean 2020? There is something to look forward to: the trial of Donald Trump
Depending on how quick the courts rule on Trumps financials, taxes and the entire Mueller report and the testimony there's going to be impeachment on the table long after the impeachment from this matter is done with. If he looses it all follows him into public life no longer protected by Barr.
I decided on Gremlin because of it's proximity to Kremlin and it being an annoying little monster😂
Jonathan Swan @jonathanvswanOne of the reasons some R senators didn't want @LindseyGrahamSC to do his original letter was because it would create an instant Enemies List for POTUS. Easy for him to see who is not "with Trump." https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1187467457482481671 …
11:18 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Jonathan Swan @jonathanvswanBut @senatemajldr worked with @LindseyGrahamSC to craft a resolution that was tame enough that almost all Senate Republicans — even some concerned about Trump/Ukraine — could support . https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1187569010466004994 …
11:19 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Josh Barro @jbarroIt's remarkable, the text of the resolution is all process complaints, no substantive defense of the president's behavior. https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1187569438817689605 …
11:25 PM - Oct 24, 2019
An untethered former R now Independent Amash:
Justin Amash @justinamash
Senator Graham continues to mislead. The Constitution divides impeachment and trial between the House and Senate. The House impeachment is an indictment. The process he's demanding happens in the Senate trial. No defendant participates in an indictment in the way he's suggesting.
https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/1187445929781157889 …
5:02 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Senator Graham continues to mislead. The Constitution divides impeachment and trial between the House and Senate. The House impeachment is an indictment. The process he's demanding happens in the Senate trial. No defendant participates in an indictment in the way he's suggesting.
https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/1187445929781157889 …
5:02 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Bill Kristol @BillKristolIsn't Lindsey Graham's resolution a sign of weakness? Key point: It's not a defense of the president. It's a criticism of House Democrats which, when the committees release the transcripts and move to open hearings and then the floor, becomes moot. And it only has 44 sponsors.
9:50 AM - Oct 25, 2019
Jonathan Chait @jonathanchaitLindsey Graham had to soften his anti-impeachment letter to some weak-sauce process complaints. And he still lost 10 Republicans.
Trump has some real problems in the Senate. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/senate-republicans-impeachment-remove-trump-ukraine-graham-mcconnell.html …
Trump has some real problems in the Senate. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/senate-republicans-impeachment-remove-trump-ukraine-graham-mcconnell.html …
1:14 PM - Oct 25, 2019
Daniel Dale @ddale8Asked about the Republican senators who haven't signed onto Graham's anti-impeachment resolution, Trump claimed this is because "some of them don't even know about it yet."
12:37 PM - Oct 25, 2019
You know, the funny thing is, people like Justin Amash and Woke Joe Walsh still have *terrible*, *awful* views on almost everything else besides Trump. But I suppose a He-Man/Skeletor-like truce is needed in these times to vanquish the greater evil.
Can you imagine Graham and McConnel bringing this to the floor expecting it to pass, and having it LOSE?
It would effectively justify the impeachment inquiry BY the Senate simple majority, which will include Republicans.
This could be the biggest backfire ever if they actually bring that to the floor.
McConnell usually doesn't call a vote for something unless he knows it will pass, so I doubt this goes anywhere unless they somehow water it down to something less direct.
It would effectively justify the impeachment inquiry BY the Senate simple majority, which will include Republicans.
This could be the biggest backfire ever if they actually bring that to the floor.
McConnell usually doesn't call a vote for something unless he knows it will pass, so I doubt this goes anywhere unless they somehow water it down to something less direct.
McConnell hasn't been very clever about things. They call him a mastermind when his goal, not getting anything done, was just stupidly easy to achieve. He put up votes that have blown up in his face before and he knows Trump would throw a tantrum if he doesn't put this up.
I mean, that's kind of how government is supposed to work, though. People are supposed to, regardless of their ideological viewpoints, uphold certain basic standards for American governance. Most modern Republicans refuse to do that, which is why Amash is so unusual.
This is a bad piece, mostly.
The way this is presented is that it is an understood fact that any and all of these individuals are un-electable. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but this isn't a "sky is blue" truism.
Trump being convicted and removed from office is "fair and square." It's as much a mechanism of the Constitution as voting is.
The U.S. is a representative democracy. This is way off base and misleading.
The whole thing reads like a frenzied plea from someone who actually does think they might convict him, and he's begging them not to. The whole crux is "Pence can't beat the Dem nominee" but... Trump may not be able to either (especially if the evidence gets worse than it is). There's no consideration of downballot races in the piece, where the real concern and impetus for ditching Trump would come from.
Oh, no I completely understand that it's necessary. But it's like, these guys aren't even at the level of George Will-type Never Trumpers. They're Tea Party nutjobs.
I don't love the piece either, but I'm sorry, he's right on his main thesis. Yes, impeachment and removal is legal and fair. Yes, we know how representative democracies work.
And no, Republicans don't give a fuck. It takes two seconds on any conservative leaning site to see the mental loops they'll twist themselves into to defend their god-king. They do not care about the rule or law, fairness, or accountability; if Trump is removed, even quite legally and justifiably, they'll go absolutely fucking bonkers. The Republican party will be done. Straight up.
Anyway, who cares, impeach him. It's gotta be done and will hurt regardless.
This isn't really true. Especially Graham, he was a leader in the Clinton impeachment!
He knows damn well he's wrong. He's purposely straight out lying to the American people because these people have no shame about it.