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McConnell and Graham to introduce Senate resolution condemning House impeachment inquiry
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It was Bill Taylors testimony that sent them over the edge, they hated the fact that someone so solid and unimpeachable gave away the cold hard facts. The republican party survives on escaping truth and spreading lies.
Agreed. I'm of the same opinion as this DailyKos entry:
No need to play games with the GOP and bow to their will. Dems have always had the upper hand even when it looked like they were just dealing with "nothingburgers". The GOP can't stop this train, neither can their diminishing deplorable base.
Just continue educating the public about the process of impeachment from beginning to end (and use real life metaphors and pictures/flowcharts preferably as people tend to skip words), about the fact that we're not even in the grand jury stage of impeachment yet and the necessity for closed door depositions, and then just continue to condemn the antics of those who presume themselves to be lawyers or know something about the rule of law.
That last part is important because to win the disinformation game, you need to get in the mud and basically lob bombs against the Repubs and their lack of sense when it comes to virtually everything. And then tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up.
We're well into crisis territory and 1 side is trying to turn us into a worser banana republic than they have already turned us into, so there's really no reason to treat the Repubs as anything but the disingenuous terrorists that they are.
He won't take it seriously, but if the House votes in favor of progressing the impeachment process into the Senate they have to fulfill their duty and eventually vote. Even though it's extremely unlikely Senate votes to remove Trump from office it's a part of their constitutional mandate.
After displaying their prejudices and biases against the case, they're going to recuse themselves from the impeachment trial right? 🤡
I think this is great. Get them all on record now as wanting to stop the investigation. When it all goes down, noone will be able to claim ignorance. Should be fun for swing state Senators up for re-election. They're all so worried about getting primaried, they're setting themselves up to lose in the general.
If, instead, we see some Republican Senators vote against it, it will show fractures in party support, totally undermining the intention. Could actually help sway public sentiment further into support of impeachment.
This really doesn't work out well for them in either case, if they were actually playing the long game. But, they're not. They're just trying to show Trump they're good little order-takers.
If, instead, we see some Republican Senators vote against it, it will show fractures in party support, totally undermining the intention. Could actually help sway public sentiment further into support of impeachment.
This really doesn't work out well for them in either case, if they were actually playing the long game. But, they're not. They're just trying to show Trump they're good little order-takers.
It seems to me that not much consideration is being put into this measure. More like it and Graham's later press conference are a desperation ploy because Trump's complaining he's not being defended enough, and they're scared of the base's anger. There may be some rationalization among them that this could move public opinion in their favor, but I think that's more a hope than an actual plan from them. It may have the incidental benefit of pointing out some potential Senate Republican defectors (though there's some smoke screen here: they can object to the process of the Impeachment now and still vote to convict later after "all the evidence is out"), but it also could be a drag on Republican Senators come next Fall, especially if public opinion keeps moving towards further supporting impeachment/removal (though I'm guessing they'll try to make the smoke screen work both ways).
My hope is that it and the Graham press conference go the way every other plan from them has gone recently: hilariously wrong.
My hope is that it and the Graham press conference go the way every other plan from them has gone recently: hilariously wrong.
Do people still think there is a chance in hell that the Senate will choose to follow the House's impeachment?
Yes. They're posturing in the hope it never makes it to a vote.
Senators are actually very quiet about being on the record for their opinions on impeachment outside of Graham, even McConnell up until this point has barely weighed in.
It's important to note, that the GOP aren't passing policy now because they don't have the house... Trump's usefulness is starting to become a liability. If they think they'll lose the Senate and think burning Trump at the stake will help mitigate or prevent that damage, they'll do it without a second thought.
Mitch McConnell is the human form of the Anti-Life Equation. Anything that would be good for the world or people in general, he opposes. He's so consistently awful that he feels like he escaped from an antimatter universe and has done a (poor) job trying to blend in with our own ever since.
A wild Bolton appears!
Seems like a dumb risk unless they're 100% sure it'll pass. They're gonna get McCain'd.
They barely passed anything when they had both Chambers, because Trump is such a loose cannon you couldn't trust him to support something for two days in a row.
Exactly, if this was two years ago I wouldn't even think impeachment has a chance in the Senate. However, Republicans are starting to see the writing on the wall. Trump is becoming a liability to them more and more with each day, and it won't be long until they have to make the choice of going down with the S.S. Trump or get off on a lifeboat.
Burgess Everett @burgessevHere's Graham's impeachment resolution, supported by 39 Republicans. It would call on the House to "vote to open a formal impeachment inquiry and provide
President Trump with fundamental constitutional protections."
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/PAT19928.pdf …President Trump with fundamental constitutional protections."
Of the 2020 most contested GOP-held races, Sens. Ernst, Tillis, Perdue and Cornyn support it.
Gardner, McSally and Collins are not listed as co-sponsors at this time.
Gardner, McSally and Collins are not listed as co-sponsors at this time.
3:02 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Him being gay might cost him more votes than him being a child molester.
I can see a lot of the Senators not backing yet just voting "present". It'll only take 4 to do that to sink it.
Just look at the senators having lunch with Trump today. Those are the ones Trump is worried about.
It means Trump isn't getting removed from office.... Clearly Senate Republicans are not on board.
Not surprised, really. I don't know if there will ever be enough information or proof of wrong-doing to get him removed.
I think that the best play from the House would be to have one single article of impeachment, so you can't have some GOP Senators voting yes on one article and no on others (shrewdly calculated so no vote results in removal). We gain nothing by giving Senators wiggle room to argue that they were against Trump on certain things w/r/t the Impeachment.
Constitutional protections? You mean that document Trump wipes his ass with daily? 🤔
What are they even talking about, what is Trump being denied right now?
Exactly what "fundamental constitutional protections" are being alluded to in the bill? None of the president's rights have been infringed on to my knowledge.
I get that it's all useless bullshit posturing but if he's going to have this in writing as a formal condemnation of the inquiry so far he better have at least some sort of legal basis for it.
I get that it's all useless bullshit posturing but if he's going to have this in writing as a formal condemnation of the inquiry so far he better have at least some sort of legal basis for it.
As far as I can tell, there's no mandated timeline that requires an impeachment to move from investigation to formal inquiry to actual vote to impeach.
I do understand that by formalizing the inquiry the House does give minority (i.e. GOP) members on some committees some subpoena powers.
The Constitution only says that the House can vote to impeach. There's nothing beyond that.
the right to commit a crime . Don't you get It ? The president is a king and cannot be Brought to political or legal justice
It'll never not surprise me to see how much these two constantly act like Trump is their boss and not someone they have near equal power to.
This must be their dream serving a wannabe king and not being in power themselves.
This must be their dream serving a wannabe king and not being in power themselves.
They're more transparent than glass. The only "fairness" they're attempting to force here is the ability to further impede the investigation. I'm so glad that the Dems are actually doing the right thing and ignoring their bullshit for once.
Calls you a sniveling, lying coward. Says your wife is hideous and ugly. Accuses your father of helping murder a political opponent.
... End up endorsing him because you have no actual courage, values, or self-respect.
GOP in a nutshell.
This opinion piece on Politico certainly disagrees strongly with the possibility. And I can see their point for the most part.
Democrats need 21 republican senators out of 52 for Trump to be impeached
it's not happening
the process will stop at that point
then it will all about the GOP messaging vs DEM messaging for 2020 elections after republicans led senate votes to stop impeachment from moving forward
FACT
it's not happening
the process will stop at that point
then it will all about the GOP messaging vs DEM messaging for 2020 elections after republicans led senate votes to stop impeachment from moving forward
FACT
Yes and then I'll stuff it in their fucking faces! 😂
Which is also shit! SHIT!
They didn't need to, public opinion opposed impeachment the whole way through.
Aquited by the senate or not, hes still Impeached. That stain doesnt go away.
The problem with that viewpoint is assuming Trump has a chance. Which he does still right now but all polling points to it getting much, much worse for Trump.
GOP cannot exist without independent voters, while conviction would destroy morale amongst the GOP faithful, they aren't just going to flip their votes to a Democrat. The system also doesn't enable another party to rise from obscurity. So left with a choice, it's avoiding an election vote entirely, or begrudgingly voting GOP in the short term with wounds healing over time.
The other option they have is if Trump gets to 60% support for impeachment, you've lost every single non-GOP voter and basically resigned yourself to losing those votes for a very long time if left unchecked.
The only thing that is a major safety net for Trump is the fear for Senators getting primaried, but that is meaningless if they think they're going to get voted out anyway.
No one knows how this plays out, but it's not a 0% chance that the Senate convicts. Only time will tell if the odds increase or decrease.
