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Maybe it's just me, but going over 1080p doesn't seem worth it.
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If you don't see the difference in resolution between 1080p and 4K you sit too far away from the screen. Which is ok because you save a lot of money then.
you can sort of see a difference between 4k and 1080p starting from 55 inch. But now you see tech companys going after 8k and to me thats just uhm a big waste of resources, unless you have a tv above 80 inches you arent going to see a difference.
You can, but most of the difference that is actually noticeable is also at 1440p. The jump between 1080p and 1440p is a lot more noticeable than going from 1440p to 2160p. As others have already said, right now 1440p is where to be if you actually care about performance with that visual boost.
We have this conversation every time there's a standard screen resolution bump and some games can't hit it. For some, 720p was fine over 1080p. 900p was fine. I play enough native 4k games on a big screen that I find I can consistently tell when a game isn't native. I would prefer getting a native resolution and I think we'll only see that more going forward with next gen. I don't want to playing games at 1440p or something on a 4k screen.
Should be 1440p with all the visuals. If theyre gonna go 4k at 30fps and not push graphics, thats gonna suck ass.
It depends on screen size. At 24" , 1080p looks good enough. At 27" 1440p is more preferable. 4K is more required for large TVs.
Between crispness vs performance, performance always comes forward.
Between crispness vs performance, performance always comes forward.
I don't think I'll want to go over 4K at the least. I think 1440p I would be fine with at minimum now, 1080p is still fine, but I notice it being more blurry now I'm more used to 4K now. I think we're definitely at diminishing returns for resolution now though, so have no interest in 8K at this point.
Me too but I'm also disappointed I'm the pricing of the HW va the performance.
If we are spending anywhere over 6-700, I expect the modern standard of resolution to be able to to at least so 60fps on almost every game.
I'll fully expect that to be a reality after this year as we are well into the 4k era to not have this realized even at the enthusiast level.
If we are spending anywhere over 6-700, I expect the modern standard of resolution to be able to to at least so 60fps on almost every game.
I'll fully expect that to be a reality after this year as we are well into the 4k era to not have this realized even at the enthusiast level.
I don't want to go back from 1440p thats for sure. Haven't actually seen 4k live and not been an demo reel in a store, so hard to form an opinion about that.
I do notice and appreciate the clarity and crispness of 4k.
But 4k compared to 4k DLSS or 4kcb I think is somewhat of a placebo effect.
I think AA methods can kind of have a bigger impact on how the image looks, games like rdr2 and horizon ZD have that soft 90s cgi look to them where you cant make out fine edges.
But 4k compared to 4k DLSS or 4kcb I think is somewhat of a placebo effect.
I think AA methods can kind of have a bigger impact on how the image looks, games like rdr2 and horizon ZD have that soft 90s cgi look to them where you cant make out fine edges.
If 1080p is enough for you, your TV/Monitor is too small. Just double the size and you'll want more resolution.
Even 4k won't be enough for people when they start getting really, really large TVs. It's good for the 65-80" ones now, but when you upgrade to sizes much larger than that I'm sure 8k will be preferable too.
Even 4k won't be enough for people when they start getting really, really large TVs. It's good for the 65-80" ones now, but when you upgrade to sizes much larger than that I'm sure 8k will be preferable too.
Well if the living-conditions make it possible that's easy I guess :P
I don't have a 4K TV and likely still won't be able to get one until next year at the earliest, so I'm still fine with 1080p as that's the highest resolution I've seen/played at. I'm sure my mind may change when I do get a 4K but I'm comfortable where I'm at.
Yeah. I prefer 2k upwards. 1080p don't work for me no more unless they are older gen games or games I play in windowed mode.
I play my PC on a 70" 4k set, but even then, if I can't run a game at 4k nearly maxed out (other than some ridiculously taxing settings that don't drastically impact the image), then I'd rather bump it down to maxed out super sampled 1080p or 1440p until my frame rate is a solid 60fps.
I think 1080p is acceptable at 60fps or more. We really need to ditch 30fps.
720p though? Fuck that blurry ass mess.
720p though? Fuck that blurry ass mess.
It all depends on the type and size of your display and the viewing distance.
This illustrates my point. 720p is only blurry on a display that doesn't handle it properly.
I doubt anyone ever made that statement.
When people need DF to know the exact resolution the game runs at, it begs the question as to how much of this is entitlement, and how much of this is actual, perceived gap.
I'm sure most people today would still have a hard time distinguishing 900p/1080p, let alone 1080p/1440p. If it wasn't the case, DF would go bankrupt (I know they have funding issues, you know what I mean). Even if you only see DF as console war ammo, it exists because that shit is only "obvious" to a few of us.
I often play 720p games on consoles such as the Switch. I just don't care. And I have a big ass screen (projector). And I can tell you the kind of AA used by counting pixels. I just don't care as much as I care for the games. And yes, I know I prefer when a game is 1080p60 (like what I usually get on my PC). People are just way too focused on what is ultimately abstract numbers for them.
Art direction is still the main determining factor for a game's visual quality, not the amount of pixels churned. And people should remember that (and ask for framerate increases instead of resolution increases).
I felt the same until I fired up my xbox one x on my new LG 55" C9 OLED, now there's simply no going back...games look incredible.
witcher 3 in either mode is a considerable step up above everything.
witcher 3 in either mode is a considerable step up above everything.
MGSV was a cross gen game. Hence why they went the direction they did and yes the game plays and looks so much better when it runs in 60.
4K is a questionable priority for a bunch of reasons. What gains you get varies depending on your screen size and distance from it. With my 55" TV at 3.something meters it's not that significant of an improvement and I'd rather the power budget be spent elsewhere. Better graphics or higher framerate. You get diminishing returns with resolution. Less so with a higher framerate (at least if we're talking the current console standard of 30) or new technology like raytracing. Also when it comes to monitors and PC, 4K is currently extremely expensive.
When I get a new monitor, 4K ups the price by 2-3x if you want variable refresh rate, and so I feel like it really, really absolutely will not be remotely worth it at all, and I'd very much rather prioritize other things such as VRR and saving a lot of money.
Also to maintain a decent framerate at 4K I'd probably have to go beyond broke and get a 2080Ti, which is stupidly expensive.
So yeah, 1440p feels like what most everyone should be aiming for at the moment.
When I get a new monitor, 4K ups the price by 2-3x if you want variable refresh rate, and so I feel like it really, really absolutely will not be remotely worth it at all, and I'd very much rather prioritize other things such as VRR and saving a lot of money.
Also to maintain a decent framerate at 4K I'd probably have to go beyond broke and get a 2080Ti, which is stupidly expensive.
So yeah, 1440p feels like what most everyone should be aiming for at the moment.
There's definitely a diminishing return to as resolution standards jump up. You'll never gon see anything like 480p to 720p, or 720p to 1080p again. Speaking for 4KTV, 1080p content vs 4K content frankly isn't that noticeable unless you're actively looking for it on a huge screen. There's other, more important factors that go into the "quality" of the image, like HDR, contrast, color gamut, black levels, all that shit vs looking at one number and saying its bigger than another number.
To bring it back to games and how increased resolution requires several times more power, there's so many other things that go into the image. FoV, lighting, effects, textures, LOD, Shadow quality, ambient occlusion, tessellation, DoF, motion blur, film grain, V-sync, volumetric fog, lens flare, light shafts, bloom, anti-aliasing method and on and on and on. Then of course there's the actual framerate, which in an interactive medium is gonna make a huge difference. There's so many factors and, very often, compromises you have to go with, especially with resolution bumps eating up so much power.
Personally, I don't see myself upgrading from 1080p any time soon. At best, I'll downsample and maximize my PC settings to get the best image and gameplay experience I can.
To bring it back to games and how increased resolution requires several times more power, there's so many other things that go into the image. FoV, lighting, effects, textures, LOD, Shadow quality, ambient occlusion, tessellation, DoF, motion blur, film grain, V-sync, volumetric fog, lens flare, light shafts, bloom, anti-aliasing method and on and on and on. Then of course there's the actual framerate, which in an interactive medium is gonna make a huge difference. There's so many factors and, very often, compromises you have to go with, especially with resolution bumps eating up so much power.
Personally, I don't see myself upgrading from 1080p any time soon. At best, I'll downsample and maximize my PC settings to get the best image and gameplay experience I can.
Owning a Wii U and a Switch and a PS4 (and also a PS3) a 1080p tv with good blacks and low ms delay has been perfect this generation. Nothing ever looks "bad" when I put it on it, at worst it looks a little grainy. On a 4K a lot of my games would look really bleh.
If graphic modes including 1080P options will be common next-gen it will be fun to see what 4K monitor/TV owners will pick. No one should be suprised by Sony pushing their brand and 4K. On a personal level I can't speak about the difference and one of the best way for people to get an idea is still by looking at actual devices side by side.
You are right. Although I do enjoy a good 4K game with 30 frames and all.
A 1080p game with 60 frames is just super fun and easy on the eyes as well. LOVE it.
The Last of Us Remastered on PRO
Gears 4 on Xbox One X
God of War (Performance) on PRO
Rise and Shadow of Tomb Raider (Performance) on PRO and X
All of those games are more fun in my opinion and really gorgeous even in 1080p - Specially if you own an OLED. But even if you don't...
Give me 1080p with 60frames over ANYTHING right now.
A 1080p game with 60 frames is just super fun and easy on the eyes as well. LOVE it.
The Last of Us Remastered on PRO
Gears 4 on Xbox One X
God of War (Performance) on PRO
Rise and Shadow of Tomb Raider (Performance) on PRO and X
All of those games are more fun in my opinion and really gorgeous even in 1080p - Specially if you own an OLED. But even if you don't...
Give me 1080p with 60frames over ANYTHING right now.
If you want high framerates maybe you should buy a 2080Ti and leave consoles out of this fps race. 30fps is fine for me and I'm sure a lot of other people. If they decide to do 60fps then great but to me 4K is worth more.
Maybe it is my TV (upscaler or just the size) but 1080p or lower on my 4K 65" looks like ass with jaggies and shit everywhere. 4K, 1440p, and anything inbetween however looks clean on it.
Funny thing is when I had a 1080p tv and an X1 900p and 720p didnt bother me nearly as much.
1440p is definitely the sweet spot. 4K was always a ridiculous buzzword standard to hit at the sacrifice of literally everything else. The worst part is they even sacrificed IQ to do it by having to use stuff like checkerboarding just to get that 4K on the box and then your image looks like smeared crap everytime you move the camera.
To me when I hear 4K all I think is dev's making compromises to games just to be able and pull off 4K. If next gen is all about 4K with no graphical improvements and FPS I'll skip it and stay on my pc
If they made RDR2 run at 4K30 on an X, I have no doubts we will get 4K60 next gen with better visuals at times.
Not always, of course, but it should be possible.
I really hope options to select from different presets will be the norm though.
Yes, I see the point here. But one factor that has to be taken into account is that the size of TVs and monitors does not grow to the same extent as the resolution.
For people with very large TVs, I imagine that going from 1080p to 4k should make a lot of difference, as well as people who are very close to the monitors. In my case, I use a 40 "FHD TV and I will migrate to a 43" 4K TV, and I would prefer better frames and IQ in 1080p instead of higher resolution.
