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Matt Piscatella, “ The great PC distribution platform wars of 2019 did not do consumer spending on PC content any favors”
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Fortnite should be on Steam and Valve games should be on the Epic Store. Put everything on every store and let people choose what they prefer, you cowards.
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He's a NPD analyst that covers Video Games
He's the video game industry analyst of the NPD group. Market research is literally his job.
Because you want content creators to have less risk, make more money and be able to continue to make more games? Especially smaller ones for whom those margins could make all the difference.
Feels like a combination of everything. Between "wait for the near monthly steam event sale", PC GamePass, Epic freebies, expansion of Humble Bundle and a greater popularity of the time consuming live games like Destiny, FFXIV and Warframe its not shocking we its having a knock on effect on the market.
But yeah I would be lying if I said the free games on Epic and the library on GamePass PC hasnt stopped a lot of my casual steam purchasing.
But yeah I would be lying if I said the free games on Epic and the library on GamePass PC hasnt stopped a lot of my casual steam purchasing.
It depends on the good, and in teh case of videogames physical stores get 25% of the videogame price (according to Ubisoft).
I would like them to expose their stores as a api that third party launcher can consume. They can implement "one" store that connects all stores into one ui. U have all your games in there, can buy all your games from there and it's optimized for desktop and TV mode. I'm pretty sure there would be an awesome open source project if this would happen.
I don't understand how "Stores don't deserve 30% margins" is a hot take.
Outside of this one specific fight online, this is accepted pretty much literally everywhere else.
NPD requires people to pay for their data. They used to be a little bit more generous, but he's not going to share numbers publicly. But his comments are based off the results.
I certainly would have spent more this year if specific games came to a platform I actually want to invest in.
I preferred it how it was before steam.
No launcher just install the game and go. Quick search to see if there's an update. Steam is the reason I slowly stopped gaming on PC.
No I don't. They choose their own business and the risks associated with it.
I choose to buy products that offer me the best experience at the best cost.
guess it's not just alcohol you have shitty misinformed opinions about lmao
It was actually a really good year for me spending wise on PC. Between Gamepass coming to PC, Humble Bundle and free games on the Epic store, I barely had to spend anything actually purchasing games.
Oh wait, we're meant to be feeling bad for publishers. Nevermind.
Oh wait, we're meant to be feeling bad for publishers. Nevermind.
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I mean, it's also DRM I guess?
But store+DRM probably doesn't need margins like this for positive economic profit.
You said "What does Valve do that deserves 30% of the revenue. They're just a store. Stores should never have 30% margins". It's 2020. That entire narrative has been buried several thousand feet underground and the entire discussion about EGS has moved past it. I feel silly for even responding, to be honest. You're woefully behind on the discussion if you're still spewing "it's just a store" out and thinking it's anything other than word vomit.
Those days were fine too :)
My first PC game was Civilization on seven 3.5 floppy discs lol!
Before Steam was ok but I did hate having to keep track of keys for games. I basically had a giant tote with all the boxes stored for future use if needed. I was drug kicking and screaming away from physical games, but over the years I've found it to be much simpler and Steam surely had a lot to do with that. Only physical I buy now are some Switch games if I find good deals, and that's ok.
I hesitate to buy games now, because my Steam backlog constantly reminds me I never really play/get to play them to completion
You can do this with GOG. You can do it with some Steam games too actually.
yeah but this just doesn't really work with a digital economy
you need storefronts. adhoc websites for every video game just isn't viable and the exposure for them would be awful
a storefront like steam is a necessity and if it wasn't valve it was always going to be someone else
If all these companies who think a 30% cut is killing them would do this I'd never complain about games not coming to Steam again. Having all their games purchasable and updatable through Playnite or GOG Galaxy 2 would be amazing. But they'll never do it so I will continue just waiting for their stuff to hit Steam.
This isn't a Steam thing. The standard for app sales is 30%. Go crusade about how the App Store and Google Play need to be nicer to developers.
It's not even a digital distribution thing, as it's approximately the same cut for retail sales. You're just flaunting profound ignorance on the subject.
I did have a massive folder full of games on various types of disks. Im still mostly physical I like to manage things myself where possible. Stuck in my ways!
between game pass for pc and origin access i spent less than the price of a full game in the last year to play maybe a dozen games that i otherwise would have bought at full price. to look at the market in terms of raw purchases doesn't make sense, and to lay that at he feet of competing storefronts seems like a way to confirm a previously held bias
I've not tried gog for some time. I think the last time was the very first galaxy beta. I should look into it again.
Oh I totally understand that. I can't even remember where I used to download updates from now it was that long ago. Think the last game I put significant time into on PC was ut 2k3
i hung in until sometime in the PS3/360 gen. When game manuals stopped being a thing I was mad, and realized that was a big thing I loved about physical.
Oh and it's another reason I live Working Designs so much - their games may have taken years to translate and release in the US, but the instruction manuals were godly!!
Why would you use Galaxy if you want a launcher-less experience? You can just download the games from the website.
The fact that they created the online gaming storefront and have been maintaining and improving well over a decade?
The last couple of days of revived EGS discussion has me all
This whole EGS discussion is an ouroboros.
I think they were more talking about that you don't need to use a launcher for any GOG games, just run the setup and it's installed like the good old days pre-launchers with no storefront/launcher/platform dependencies.
Through allowing developers to generate (nearly) infinite keys for free, Steam has basically already done what you've asked for. It's a large part of the reason why people are still pissed at Epic hoarding timed exclusives, as it meant fewer retailers selling the game and subsequently higher prices. Of course, then Epic then spent millions of dollars subsidising their sales, which strikes me as self-defeating.
there are enough people out there that think that if it's digital, it has no carbon footprint
if it's on the internet, then it's literally free and takes zero effort, content delivery is the easiest thing in the world, just gotta press a button
it's funny how the "x is just a digital storefront" crowd can never seem to put a price on what
a) server costs & maintenance to store tens of thousands of videogame files, trailers, art etc
b) the cost of actually delivering said content on multiple platforms
c) the cost of paying developers to develop webpages, tools to deploy games faster, maintain said servers, DRM, a seamless interface for different OSes etc, and this is before all the extra R&D stuff Valve do in terms of market/streaming/controller support/Linux Proton etc
is it worth 30% cut? i don't know, i don't do the numbers, but neither does anyone on this forum and the general cut for retailers seems to be 30% so, you know what, imma give the benefit of the doubt to the industry standard for digital stores
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Install from disc media => input serial => store serial forever => keep cd in drive
or ...
search web for no CD crack => hope and pray it's not a virus => fuck it was a virus => reinstall OS => retrieve OS serial from safe place
Yeah, the good ol' days of:The last couple of days of revived EGS discussion has me all
This whole EGS discussion is an ouroboros.
I think they were more talking about that you don't need to use a launcher for any GOG games, just run the setup and it's installed like the good old days pre-launchers with no storefront/launcher/platform dependencies.
Install from disc media => input serial => store serial forever => keep cd in drive
or ...
search web for no CD crack => hope and pray it's not a virus => fuck it was a virus => reinstall OS => retrieve OS serial from safe place
It's true - I pretty much stopped buying PC games, and it's making me question whether I want to stick with PC at all any more.
Every game that went exclusive immediately cost more.
Prices went up because Epic bought exclusivity and were the only place you could get the game.
Every game that went exclusive immediately cost more.
You should have just looked him up and save yourself the embarassment.
Next time, click on the tweet. The profile page should have the info you need.
Pay 100 dollars for a year of origin premium and get every ea release on day one or 50-60 dollars per game. Not a tough choice.
But how well does npd cover PC digital sales anyway? On top of this usa is hardly the biggest market for PC digital as well.
But how well does npd cover PC digital sales anyway? On top of this usa is hardly the biggest market for PC digital as well.
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What are they competing for if the result is people spending less?