I think it was understood that launch games would be like this, but not two fucking years.
He says 1 to 2 years.
From now, not November.
I think it was understood that launch games would be like this, but not two fucking years.
I think it was understood that launch games would be like this, but not two fucking years.
Absolutely this. You can be assured Sony first parties will be doing some incredible stuff utilising the SSD capabilities and pushing everything graphically to the limits, meanwhile Series X launch games will be running on the original Xbox One. The only upshot is that all those games should be native 4K60 if they're going to be sub 1080p30 on the One.
For an enthusiast forum, it is a bit silly that people behave like 12 year old YouTube comment writers. :)
1 year technically if we take the quote as a real cut off point. As the interview was held in Nov 2019I think it was understood that launch games would be like this, but not two fucking years.
You're not wrong but knowing what their plans are it is pretty easy to imagine that the best way to get people to their new system is to allow them to play the games they already own. Not spend $500 on a system and then pay to rebuy all the games they already own with prettier graphics.
Your post seemed to suggest that this will change as a consequence of this news that Microsoft will be doing crossgen games for a year or two.
The part of this that's frustrating is...you know they're going to drop support eventually for the Xbox One. They're simply delaying something that we all know is going to eventually happen.
"We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we're committed to them with content."
Those 50+ million users are going to be cut off eventually. That's just how it works. Whether it's when Series X launches or two years later. They can pretend that they want to make Xbox One owners "feel like they've made a good investment", but the system has been out for SEVEN years already. There's plenty of content there. Why would it be foolish to "neglect" those Xbox One owners now, but suddenly acceptable two years from now when there are even more Xbox One owners? What about Xbox One owners that buy an Xbox One in 2021 when the exclusive next-gen titles start coming out? Are they going to feel they made a good investment?
This just a nonsensical delay of the inevitable.
Resetera: I'll just buy the games on the older console and not buy the new one, you idiots!
Microsoft: Great!
Resetera: What?
I gotta agree with this. People are worried about MS doing such PR moves. Most games will be cross gen again, and Sony doing Sony is fine. I think Xbox Series X will just be like an ultra version of games for third parties for a year or two.My only real worry is if Xbox aren't in a rush to move over to next gen, how slow are 3rd parties going to be? Because the only way I see that playing out is we are either going to be getting a fuck load of real shitty current gen versions or very few games designed with the SSD in mind, so still a lot of forced slow walking, squeezing through tight space, move the box/ladder, actual loading screens (just super fast) or long corridors to hide loading that's already been loaded on next gen systems.
Sure but it's not like XSX games won't have ray tracing. I'm trying to think of something that won't happen on an XSX because the Xbox one is being supported for a year.
But 3rd parties did offer limited ps3/360 -> ps4/XB1 programs via vouchers included with the retail games and discounts offered on the digital stores for owners of the last gen versions. Some charged $10 for the upgrade (BF4, CoD, ACBF[?]) while others were able to offer the upgrades for free (FFXIV, Destiny). Sony could have done the same with TLoU if they really had wanted to, the ps3 version already had a voucher tied to it due to the mp pass. But instead they went in hard on full priced remastered versions.Because ps4 is not at all backwards compatible with ps3. There was literally no other option, for anyone. Now there's the option of releasing a patch the same way some games did for ps4 pro, or the option to cash in with a "remaster". Whatever you choose, I'm not paying a cent for remasters again.
you bring a very valid point here actually, I can see this being the case. I'd be a lot better if it was like that at launch tho.Or MS wants to take the time to replace the blades in their data centres for Series X blades, due to the price of these decreasing. When that has happened, they can switch Xcloud to Series X streaming, which makes the Xbox One still able to play the newest releases, just with xCloud. Giving people the option to play the games on an Xbox One via streaming or by buying a new console.
Exactly, I at least try to elevate to a 15 year old youtube commenter. =p
That's what I'm wondering though, if platform holders aren't in a rush, 3rd parties certainly won't be, so how long will that cross-gen period be is the only real worry I can think of. I wonder even if it result in less games going for that seemless/no loading screens approach and just have load screens, as that would be best for next gen consoles/SSD PCs, as the loading isn't being hidden by level design/movement speed.Oh no. They'll certainly drop the Xbox One and PS4 support in a few years and SSDs will likely become a recommended part then (can't see it becoming a requirement anytime soon), but certainly not as soon as next gen consoles launch.
Fucking lmaoResetera: I'll just buy the games on the older console and not buy the new one, you idiots!
Microsoft: Great!
Resetera: What?
"Patches" LOL oh my sweet summer child, Sony is not gonna waste any opportunity to sell you the PS5 "Remasters".People keep saying shit like this, but I really think we're more likely to see patches or maybe DLC "upgrades" than actual separate versions, especially for already-released PS4 titles.
I may be wrong here but look at the Spiderman PS5 demo. Let's say you want to design a next gen game based on super fast traversal of complex cities. You can't have the current gen version being slower or not allowing the same things, so i guess you'll have to downgrade it to a point where a traditional hard drive and current RAM can allow the same ? So PS3 graphics maybe ? Or what about a game designed on super complex physics for destruction etc..
I can imagine Sony doing that too actually. Maybe not will all games but with enough. Makes no sense to let that over 100 million install base go to waste.
MS' move is just a good indication of how slow the transition will be. 3rd parties have always seeked maximum revenue, didn't stop them transitioning over somewhat quickly every other gen, 18 months - 2 years for most of the major stuff, I'm fully expecting that to double for next gen at this point.Your post seemed to suggest that this will change as a consequence of this news that Microsoft will be doing crossgen games for a year or two.
But it won't. It'll be because third party publishers will be seeking to maximise revenue. Which isn't news.
"Patches" LOL oh my sweet summer child, Sony is not gonna waste any opportunity to sell you the PS5 "Remasters".
Resetera: I'll just buy the games on the older console and not buy the new one, you idiots!
Microsoft: Great!
Resetera: What?
When do these theoretical games start development and when do they release?
Is Horizon 2 coming out on PS5 for launch or 1-2 years after? That's just the same as what Booty said. You are getting Last of Us 2 etc. which started develpment years go and releasing on the PS5, uber versions probably, and hey that's just like Halo Infinite.
People are underestimating development time and release. Next gen only games are being made but they probably won't be soley based on next gen until 2021+ even then, it's probably suspect that they are taking full advantage of the new tech in interesting ways.
Mum! The internet meanie called me a 12 year old!For an enthusiast forum, it is a bit silly that people behave like 12 year old YouTube comment writers. :)
He said "over the next year, or two" so if we take that to mean max 2 years from January 2020 which would be January 2022, that's basically like a year and a few months at most
Well it's my believe that when you plan to release a new hardware you make sure some of your big teams are allocating ressources on projects soon enough that you have some things to make people hard when it launches. If the strength of that generation is going to be CPU and SSD, you better have ambitious teams ready to showcase that and i believe they'll do (Talking about Sony cause i'm more familiar but i would have expected Microsoft to do the same).
Let me take an exemple that goes against the "first years games are not really pushing the hardware" theory.
_Drive Club was basically a case of "let's use all the more modern tech we have, even if that means 30fps" That global illumination and dynamic volumetric sky was 100% the team being all like "we can have fun now, fuck ps3"
_The order was basically a tech demo built to impress visually and was not really topped after that, with crazy material shaders, lights etc..
I mean even that city flight in Kill Zone Shadow Fall, it was pushing and doing every tricks in the book to look miles ahead of PS3.
So yeah, launch software should, and will (if they want to sell some of those consoles) push everything they can to showcase new possibilities.
Status symbol
I think they mean that it's an accessory
It will be similar for third party too. Most devs / pubs won't throw away a 150 million install base. It will take a year or two for that to happen to the most demanding AAA, let alone smaller scope games.
You mean to tell me that people who haven't owned an Xbox console in their entire lives aren't truly, deeply concerned for the future of Xbox? ;)A lot of concern trolling going on in this thread but that isn't surprising.
Because the PS5 is not a PS4, it's a PS5. And there's big money to be made from remasters, ultimate and Goty editions.Every single PS4 Pro improvement has been free, not sure why it would change for PS5 when it's doing the exact same thing as the Pro
We have Halo and maybe another game at launch. We dont know what is after that really. And then its end of 2021 and support is "ending" if we take the exact quote timing,Makes sense for the most part, but I'm a bit surprised it's going to be all of their games. I'd think they would want to have one on Series X only just to be like "hey look what we can do with this".
Wonder if Sony WWS are going to be developing anything cross-gen as well.
1 year technically if we take the quote as a real cut off point. As the interview was held in Nov 2019
I would hate to be you. Creating so many media files. Test versions: Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox series S, Xbox series X, PC. and if your really unlucky and get Playstation with it. Oh boy, fun! PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5........the amount of work....I don't like this as it could massively increase the amount of versions we need to test at DF. I was looking forward to a clean slate. I'm genuinely sick of those base consoles.
Expected. Similar case with the Xbox One.
I expect the PS4/XB1 versions of cross gen games to "run" on the weaker systems in that they can boot up
But they will look bad and run badly