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Nall

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Oct 25, 2017
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Rightly or wrongly, 'dirty' is in the UK lexicon for exactly the reason she mentioned. Just because Americans in the US have not heard of it does not mean it doesn't exist.



British people. British people say this. Usually the same wankers that say 'cheeky Nandos'.

I missed the part where she was from the UK. My bad.
 

Lobster Roll

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Philadelphia Collins was the first thing I thought of as well.
 

Fisty

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have never called food dirty, even street food. Not sure what the hell she's talking about there, unless she is stomping on lettuce and selling it at a premium
 

MrCibb

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Dec 12, 2018
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UK
Yeah there's nowt wrong with that, and I feel sorry for her if she's being attacked over this. It's just some slang not translating over, I know 100% I've referred to takeaways as dirty, including Chinese. Heard it said many a time too, it's not derogatory in the slightest. This just needs cleared up, I get what she means when she says 'dirty food refined'.
 

Dwebble

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Oct 25, 2017
9,641
Tricky one. It's a totally valid phrasing over here, and I don't think there was any ill intent whatsoever, but I don't think her getting defensive was the right call either.

With that said, the framing in this OP is garbage. It is a way more nuanced issue, and referring to dirty food is in no way condemnatory, or even a criticism.
 

krazen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Gentrified Brooklyn
Yeah, It's an unfortunate use of a term, particularly 'branding' but she's not wrong.

www.theguardian.com

The dirty barbecue – awesome steaks made simple

You don’t need a barbecue this summer. Be brave, says Neil Rankin from the Smokehouse restaurant, and just stick your steak naked straight on to the charcoals – you’ll get 100 times more flavour

Like in the article I have heard used it referring to extreme comfort food, Guy Fieri types. BBQ, burgers etc.

Dirty food, to most people, is burgers served in doughnuts, deep-fried birthday cakes or some diabetes-inducing culinary challenge served in a hubcap
 

OrangeNova

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Oct 30, 2017
12,747
Canada
Tricky one. It's a totally valid phrasing over here, and I don't think there was any ill intent whatsoever, but I don't think her getting defensive was the right call either.

With that said, the framing in this OP is garbage. It is a way more nuanced issue, and referring to dirty food is in no way condemnatory, or even a criticism.
Yeah, the best way to describe dirty food is everything you crave after getting drunk.

Like post-bar food is all dirty food.
 

DIE BART DIE

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Oct 25, 2017
5,855
Basic trendy types in the UK use this type of exaggeration a lot.

"That kebab looks like absolute filth"

Translation: it looks amazing.
 

gilded_Pb

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Oct 27, 2017
3,211
I've heard someone irl call KFC dirty bird. Her explanation seems pretty reasonable tbh.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Her explaination almost makes sense but it's best not to say any groups food is dirty. Of course others will take it the wrong way... not everyone knows her food lingo. And the apology doesn't do enough to apologize lol. Why are people so bad at this?
basically how i feel, when you playing in other's yards you got to have respect.
 

Double 0

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Nov 5, 2017
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This is why you gotta watch the local slang when you are dealing with global/international shows/audiences.

Codeswitching... It's really, really helpful. Sucks, but helpful.
 

Barrel Cannon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I always assumed it meant street comfort food. Must be a language barrier between states and the UK
 

Finale Fireworker

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is my first time hearing the term as well. I also would have had a pretty negative reaction to the phrase. I can't imagine referring to any cuisine as dirty, especially an ethnic category. But it's clear this has some pretty specific connotations where she is from that are not derogatory. I don't blame anybody for responding negatively and perhaps there is a conversation to be had about using esoteric regional slang on a world stage, but I can easily believe this is an international misunderstanding.
 

DrEvil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Canada
Has no one ever had Mexican dirty rice before?

I'm in Canada and it's pretty common, especially in jambalaya and Mexican restaurants.



It's a food descriptor, used in a lot of cultures.


Is this just people getting angry again at something they aren't familiar with?
 

Deleted member 37151

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Hot take : she was right not to apologise. She did nothing wrong ! As others have said , filthy/ dirty is really common slang.

This is a U.K. chef on a U.K. programme where almost everyone will get what she means. Sure, Intagram is global but you should maybe take into account context before jumping on someone for such benign stuff
 

Loud Wrong

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Feb 24, 2020
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If she's strictly referring to street food as "dirty", that's fine. In my community (Cuban) it's not uncommon to refer to street food that way, and it doesn't refer to the food itself, but to where its served, and also the speed at which its served (quick and dirty). It still has an obviously negative connotation that will rub some people the wrong way.
 
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Richiek

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Nov 2, 2017
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Tricky one. It's a totally valid phrasing over here, and I don't think there was any ill intent whatsoever, but I don't think her getting defensive was the right call either.

With that said, the framing in this OP is garbage. It is a way more nuanced issue, and referring to dirty food is in no way condemnatory, or even a criticism.

I disagree. The term "dirty" may be common in the UK, but "dirty" has been used for years a a slur against Chinese immigrants.

www.cnn.com

A new virus stirs up ancient hatred | CNN

As the Wuhan coronavirus is spreading, it's activating a familiar and toxic strain of racism against Asians, writes Jeff Yang.

Food and hygiene slander have long been the spear tip of attacks by contemptuous (or envious) Westerners seeking to make Chinese seem impossibly alien, and thus unassimilable and inadmissible to their "civilized" countries. Back at the turn of the 19th century, Chinese were commonly regarded as "dirty, heathen rat-eaters"; vintage ads for a pest poison called "Rough on Rats" played on this perception; also by suggesting that it was nearly as effective at controlling vermin as hungry Chinese people, while op-eds took that stereotype and expanded and elevated it to fearful, monstrous proportions, with a typical editorial in the September 29, 1854 edition of the New York Daily Tribune calling Chinese "uncivilized, unclean, filthy beyond all conception, without any of the higher domestic or social relations; lustful and sensual in their dispositions," and warning the federal government to ban further influx of Chinese into the United States.
Spurred on by these descriptions, some took it into their own hands to reduce the number of Chinese in the country, gathering vigilante bands to burn down Chinatowns and kill their residents. One of the bloodiest mass murders of Chinese took place right here my city of Los Angeles in 1871, as a mob of over 500 invaded the city's old Chinese quarter and slaughtered and hung 20 men, mutilating their corpses in the deadliest known single lynching incident in US history.

Whether intentional or not, calling Asian food as "dirty" is pretty irresponsible now, considering that there are numerous attacks against Asian claiming they're responsible for spreading COVID because of their lack of hygiene.
 

CortexVortex

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Oct 30, 2017
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I use "dirty" from time to time as well to describe food, probably because Ice lived in the UK for a bit.
But yeah, she didn't mean it in a racist es or anything. It's just a word to describe street food or fast food, but I get why it might offend people at first. Big misunderstanding.
 

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This is why you gotta watch the local slang when you are dealing with global/international shows/audiences.

Codeswitching... It's really, really helpful. Sucks, but helpful.
But I really hate this. It's a way towards a homogenised global language and I think that sucks.
And it only works one way, too. You don't get half as much to do when American writers use terms offensive to other countries.
 
Nov 9, 2017
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I can see this happening with people thinking there is nothing wrong about it because it is the UK. I have some UK friends who I got in an argument with because they think it's wholly acceptable to use the work "chink" or to say "lets go get some chinkys" if they want Chinese food. Their excuse was that they don't really have Chinese people where they live and it is just slang so no harm no foul.
 

Zoe

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Oct 25, 2017
14,332
Eh I don't think it's racist. It's much harder to plate a stir fry nicely than say a steak... I've heard the term used pretty commonly and not just in reference to Asian food.

With that said, I can see how people find it offensive.

This isn't about plating for stir fry.
 

PinkSpider

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Oct 27, 2017
4,978
I am from up norf. Comment was made with some self deprecation, I'm not immune from uttering it after a night out.
Fair enough :) I usually reserve it for such occasions; I run a food group and if a bit tipsy and see something like a triple layered burger with like 20 toppings that I need maybe extend it to that too; the extreme ends of food portions.
 

Lunaray

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm much more critical of the tagline, "Dirty food refined". That gets my side eye.
 

LiquidDom

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've definitely heard the term here in NJ and definitely in NYC for street food. Dirty water dogs anyone??
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Also, some times 'bad' means 'good' *. As in "Oh man, that burger was sooo bad".


*Note: bad also means bad, but good rarely means bad. Glad I cleared that up.