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Quinton

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It's been about a year since Star Trek: Picard's first season wrapped. To the shock and awe of absolutely no one, there is no fandom consensus on whether or not it was good. Opinions range from saying it's the best thing Trek has done in ages to calling it a dumpster fire and "Kurtzman's last straw." (Surprise: He has many remaining straws.)

My opinion echoes many others: It's a solid effort and worth watching, albeit with some considerable caveats along the way. Agnes Jurati's redemption feels unearned; the first half of the two-part season finale is rough; too much time is devoted to Narek's Soji faux-mance; Narissa is Space Cersei by way of a Conan the Barbarian sequel. (All right, full disclosure: I enjoy her anyway, albeit ironically.) And while I'm almost never this kind of fan nitpicker (most tech-related complaints completely fly over my head, tbqh), I do find the idea of 200+ Romulan warbirds showing up post-supernova to be... odd.

There's also a lot that I do enjoy. "Stardust City Rag," the Seven of Nine episode that "destroys the integrity of Star Trek" or whatever, is a winner. I don't care that Icheb's final fate is one of the most disturbingly tone-shifting in franchise history -- in context it clicks. Rios and Raffi don't make the best inaugural impression, but I still like them. I really like Soji and don't mind that "Dahj seemed more interesting," as some say. "Nepenthe" is like the one thing about Star Trek: Picard that most agree is a gem and I am right there with them on that one. Elnor is an excellent new addition and I trust he'll have more to chew on next season. I don't even hate the central plot conceit of an AI galactic threat; sure, it's... incredulously akin to Star Trek: Discovery's sophomore plotline, and yeah, we don't need universe-ending stakes every damn time, but I'm mostly OK with it, anyway.

But more than anything, it's this -- the culmination of Jean-Luc Picard's heartaches over the loss of a dear friend. I get the criticisms that the TNG feature films pushed the Picard/Data friendship to an odd degree, given that Data/Geordi was the bigger part of the show. But by the end of the show's run, there was more than enough chemistry and care between captain and android to suit me. Seeing our dear Jean-Luc, once again played to perfection by Sir Patrick, wracked with grief was a twofold winner. Not only did it make for an excellent character arc that gave us a terrific narrative "way in" for Soji; it also directly addressed the fact that most of us (if not all...) were dissatisfied with the fact that Star Trek: Nemesis was our 24th-century "series finale" for 18 years and Data's sacrifice, while it could have worked in a far better flick, is so sudden and unearned.

It is as if Michael Chabon and his fellow scribes, as well as Stewart and Brent Spiner themselves, fully understood that. Though the hand-wave regarding B-4 is hilariously blunt ("oh, uh, yeah, he wasn't sentient after all or whatever"), it was worth pinching Nemesis' narrative nerves in order to give us a story of one man's search for peace following a dear friend's parting.

It might not have worked. We might not have gotten a satisfying conclusion. If that happened, well, that would be a bitter pill to swallow, given that the writers clearly wished to wash away the blot. Instead, they succeeded, and we wound up with one of Star Trek's greatest scenes in all its 54.5 years and counting.

You can stop watching around 3:47 or so if you'd like -- the rest is outside the context of this topic, showing the first seconds following the scene.




Undoubtedly, someone or someones will claim it's hackneyed, silly, dumb, or itself unearned much like the stuff it seeks to "erase." This topic might backfire on me because I've not seen a corner of the net more unified in its Star Trek: Picard apathy and anger than Era's. Hey, whatever. That's OK. I'm sharing my love here. Even if I liked the season less than I do, it all would have been worth it for this. It's goddamn beautiful.
 
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Firebricks

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This scene, and the first scene with picard/data and poker were my two favorite scenes. It started off fine, but i liked it less and less as it went on.
 

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Honestly, the Picard and Data stuff was pure perfection. Picard was a bit bumpy as a series but I heavily enjoyed it. That stuff, there was so much poignance and it felt like a nice close to that chapter
 

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It was hokey but nice, and a way better goodbye between the two than the Next Gen movies.
 

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The thing that floored me about Picard is that Sirtis played an absolutely perfect Troi after her accent and performance wavered in the movies. Sirtis played a tighter Troi than Stewart played Picard this time around - though Stewart looked like he was having a great time, so I'm not upset about that. Still, never thought I'd say that.
 

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Yeah, this show could have been something special. By the end other than this scene I disliked everything else.
 

imbarkus

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I too found it similarly satisfying after the sendoff for Data in Nemesis left such a hollow feeling, complete with the implied impermanence of his death in typical Space Opera serial fashion.

I felt less certain about the development of moving Picard past his illness and into a seemingly unlimited future. I also felt the synthetic Evil Gods were pretty damned Mass Effect for my taste, complete with black tentacles and everything... but since I suppose Mass Effect takes a lot from Star Trek (and, in fact, remains the best Star Trek game ever made), it's only fair.

Also, try to take heart. Fans have failed to come to a consensus on the internet about the latest Trek for at least 20+ years now. Enjoy what you enjoy.
 
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Nah...Watching it again raised the same questions I had the first time. If Data wanted to live life knowing it was finite, then why do it briefly? Why not be a bad ass AI helping Picard, and just tie the program's termination to Pickard's end, or 100 year countdown?
 

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I just don't understand why Data would want to die or why Picard would kill him. They can't put him in a golem too? Or just another robot?? It's all just forced so they can have an emotionally manipulative moment. I kinda hate this show but to each their own I guess.
 
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data is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time since i was a child
so bringing him back after all these years and killing him again promptly after...
I just laid down in bed face down inconsolable for a while
 
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My biggest gripe with the Data storyline in Picard is the lack of Geordi LaForge in it.
 
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That's basically the one scene I vividly remember from the show. Even if it isn't true, it felt like everything around it existed just so we could say goodbye in that fashion.
 

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That final scene with Data sitting there as everything shuts down should have pulled bad to reveal Q was sitting across from him. Kind of like how Q was there when Picard died back in Tapestry.
 
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It's a great scene in a not so great show. On the one hand, the show is essentially what I expected when it was announced. I didn't think that it would be Captain Picard on the Enterprise, tooling around the galaxy with all his pals. It wasn't going to be Star Trek: The Next Generation 2. And the first three episodes were kind of fantastic. I loved the quiet scenes of Picard at his villa, the Romulan characters who were his employees/friends, his dog, and the mystery involving Data's relationship with the young Android. That was a solid setup for the show.

It all went off the rails once Picard went back into space. I'm not saying that it was because he went back to space, that was inevitable. It was the characters and the direction(s) the story went. I'd have been fine with a smaller, quieter quest to put Data's memory to rest, and Picard helping Data's daughter figure out her past. That would have been far preferable to the murderous AI intent on destroying the galaxy plot we had just seen on Season 2 of Discovery. The superfluous Borg plot that went nowhere and Picard's, erm...ending were just icing on that terrible cake.

I'm not even sure the show is actually salvageable after the way season 1 ended. I hope it is, and I will be watching Season 2, since I'm a sucker for all things Trek, but if it's just going to be more of what Season 1 was, it's not going to be good.
 
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imbarkus

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Oh, wow! I remember these forums. I was quite young at the time -- 12 or so when Voyager ended -- but I lurked a bit. I'll need to read (or in some cases, perhaps reread?) your reviews soon. <3

I have a few on there from the site's official reviewer, with my retorts, too.

Trekweb forums, like early 1up.com forums, seems to be one of the things on the internet that actually is forgotten. I regret mostly saving my own words, as the permanent record of the fandom's inability to have consensus is probably the most meaningful evidence to retain from back in those days.

It helps people who like Nu Trek not feel so isolated. :)
 

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i'm still salty about them wasting hugh and just killing him pointlessly and the borg stuff was obviously just there for trailer material/''watch bait'' and that scene didn't do anything for me since that episode was so terrible i was just ''done'' at that point i'm still gonna watch season 2 since they changed showrunner but chabon is still on the writing team so i'm not expecting much and if it doesn't improve by episode 3 i'm dropping it
 

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It had nothing to do with the spirit of TNG, and Picard has never been so much in bromance with Data (LaForge was).
Also, the whole prophecy-destiny-legend seemed out of Lost, more than Star Trek.


BUT

It was still better than Discovery and 3/4 of the TNG motion pictures. A great ending for Data.
 
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i'm still salty about them wasting hugh and just killing him pointlessly and the borg stuff was obviously just there for trailer material/''watch bait'' and that scene didn't do anything for me since that episode was so terrible i was just ''done'' at that point i'm still gonna watch season 2 since they changed showrunner but chabon is still on the writing team so i'm not expecting much and if it doesn't improve by episode 3 i'm dropping it
The clincher for me was when the Borg cube came out of the transwarp conduit, with big epic music playing, like they were about to come to the rescue. Which would have been poetic, given Picard's history with the Borg. Then thirty seconds later, they were crashing on the planet, and I thought...who writes this crap? Was it supposed to make me laugh out loud, and not in a good way?
 
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I think my biggest problem with the show is one that has been echoed more in relation to the films: I did not once feel like I was watching the character of Picard, but rather Patrick Stewart playing himself. I'm casually watching TNG again for the millionth time, and there is just no connective tissue between the two eras of portrayal of this character, other than in the narrative.
 

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It's a great scene in a not so great show. On the one hand, the show is essentially what I expected when it was announced. I didn't think that it would be Captain Picard on the Enterprise, tooling around the galaxy with all his pals. It wasn't going to be Star Trek: The Next Generation 2. And the first three episode were kind of fantastic. I loved the quiet scenes of Picard at his villa, the Romulan characters who were his employees/friends, his dog, and the mystery involving Data's relationship with the young Android. That was a solid setup for the show.

It all went off the rails once Picard went back into space. I'm not saying that it was because he went back to space, that was inevitable. It was the characters and the direction(s) the story went. I'd have been fine with a smaller, quieter quest to put Data's memory to rest, and Picard helping Data's daughter figure out her past. That would have been far preferable to the murderous AI intent on destroying the galaxy plot we had just seen on Season 2 of Discovery. The superfluous Borg plot that went nowhere and Picard's, erm...ending were just icing on that terrible cake.

I'm not even sure the show is actually salvageable after the way season 1 ended. I hope it is, and I will be watching Season 2, since I'm a sucker for all things Trek, but if it's just going to be more of what Season 1 was, it's not going to be good.

This 100 percent. You said it more eloquently than I could. I hate that season 1 devolved into a galaxy destroying threat. It's like the very worst impulse of bad writers to immediately turn up the stakes to maximum =(

I will add that I really like the scenes with Riker making pizza with Picard. *chef-kiss*
 

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I think my biggest problem with the show is one that has been echoed more in relation to the films: I did not once feel like I was watching the character of Picard, but rather Patrick Stewart playing himself. I'm casually watching TNG again for the millionth time, and there is just no connective tissue between the two eras of portrayal of this character, other than in the narrative.

I felt like I was watching a golem impostor of Picard, which turns out to be rather telling later on lmao
 

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I thought it was terrible and I stopped watching before the final episode dropped.

The scene in the OP is nice, though. I felt the same way about the Troi/Riker episode and the scenes at Picard's villa. The show only worked for me when it focused on Picard and his ruminations about the past. The rest of it is trite.
 

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Nah...Watching it again raised the same questions I had the first time. If Data wanted to live life knowing it was finite, then why do it briefly? Why not be a bad ass AI helping Picard, and just tie the program's termination to Pickard's end, or 100 year countdown?

What Data wanted above all else was to become human. That meant accepting and embracing mortality. Continuing to live on as an AI, even temporarily, was unacceptable as it flew against what he worked towards his whole life.
 
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This 100 percent. You said it more eloquently than I could. I hate that season 1 devolved into a galaxy destroying threat. It's like the very worst impulse of bad writers to immediately turn up the stakes to maximum =(

I will add that I really like the scenes with Riker making pizza with Picard. *chef-kiss*
Whenever Patrick Stewart was in quiet scenes, one on one, with other characters is when the series really shined. The scenes I mentioned at the villa, the scene with the doctor from the Stargazer, his scenes with Data, the Rikers, even with the new characters. When the show tried to be "BIG BUDGET ACTION SCI-FI ADVENTURE TO THE MAX!!!" is when it sucked.

Seriously, season 2 should just be Picard traveling around having conversations with his old shipmates and new characters we haven't met yet. Let Patrick Stewart act his ass off with his old buddies from TNG, and cap it off with a Q episode. I almost guarantee that a season like that would be better received than season 1.
 

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Nah...Watching it again raised the same questions I had the first time. If Data wanted to live life knowing it was finite, then why do it briefly? Why not be a bad ass AI helping Picard, and just tie the program's termination to Pickard's end, or 100 year countdown?
The way I saw it was this:

If he just ties his life to Picard what would that say about his individuality and independence? Like imagine if you had a friend who was like I want to live exactly as long as you do and I want to help you accomplish everything you want. That's not a human being.

And as for setting it for 100 years, there's multiple issues with that. If he does that, there's the temptation to keep extending - there's always going to be some problem in the universe that needs solving. Also, human beings can choose to end their lives whenever they want, but they cannot simply choose to set their lifespan to however long they choose. Also by human standards, he should be dead. He was killed.
 
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Lots of good replies in this thread, but I think this one is sort of the ultimate expression about how wildly differently folks can feel about... well, anything. I personally feel like I'll remember this til the end of my days.
Trek has always been susceptible to this. TNG wasn't exactly a widely accepted, nearly universally beloved series when it was announced. DS9 was "too dark" and "anti-Roddenberry". Voyager was too light, and too much like TNG. Enterprise violated canon, and looked too advanced compared to TOS...and on and on.

The good news is that the truly great stuff ends up being remembered and even loved down the road, even if it wasn't looked at fondly at the time. Heck, even Voyager has a couple of fans! (I kid because I care. Lol)
 

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So my new theory on Star Trek Picard and the end of tng is that Janeway going back in time to defeat the borg and bring voyager home sooner caused Picard to change.
so I blame janeway again
 
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What Data wanted above all else was to become human. That meant accepting and embracing mortality. Continuing to live on as an AI, even temporarily, was unacceptable as it flew against what he worked towards his whole life.

I guess, it just feels like such a waste, and after the luke warm season, it was quite the punch. Maybe I would have felt better if they ripped off the bandaid earlier. I forget, is Lore still around?
 

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What Data wanted above all else was to become human. That meant accepting and embracing mortality. Continuing to live on as an AI, even temporarily, was unacceptable as it flew against what he worked towards his whole life.

I guess this is why I didn't like where they took Picard in the end. He essentially set aside his humanity to take Data's intended future.
Not to mention the fact that you've made an immortal character out of a very mortal actor. I just don't see it ending well.
 
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I guess, it just feels like such a waste, and after the luke warm season, it was quite the punch. Maybe I would have felt better if they ripped off the bandaid earlier. I forget, is Lore still around?
...maybe? For a season that pulled on some deep lore (hehe) and some forgotten characters, the lack of even a mention of Lore or Lal (Data's FIRST daughter!) seems like a huge oversight. Especially Lal...that seems like a pretty significant detail in a story about Data's daughters.

I mean...even B-freakin-4 showed up. On screen, no less.
 

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I thought the scene was terrible. For a few reasons.

I think firstly, it pushes a dogmatic view of mortality and the nature of what a human being is. Mortality is not an absolute quality of being human and is merely a condition we live with as beings that haven't determined a way to control the systems of our body and alter our biology. Why would Data be 'less' human by being able to be reconstructed?

I don't think Data could want to die and this scene was a mischaracterization of who he was previously. Remember, he already 'died' once before when his head was blown off and stuck in the 19th century. When it was reactivated again in the 24th, did Data say to the crew 'please don't revive me, I should be dead because that's what being human means'. It's dumb. I also don't think Data as a purely rationally driven being could want to die in that sense.

In terms of pushing a dogmatic view of humanity, I think the writing is also pushing a certain neurotypical like affect on Data in this scene and again ignoring who he has been previously. Data isn't human and was never encouraged to be the most human he could be - he was recognized as his own unique being that even through emulating aspects of humanity wasn't actually looking to be the perfect emulation of one. STP kind of uses mortality as a pureness identifier almost, in that to resemble a human, one must adhere to a normative quality of many humans.

I think the implications of assisted suicide in the manner displayed in STP are pretty horrendous when considered further than what the show wanted to think of. A unique being terminated because they are having an existential quandary. That's it. Picard didn't even ask any questions at all. He had no curiosity as to the nature of what was happening with Data here. What if Data could be transplanted back into a physical body. Wouldn't it be considerably more ethical to do this first and then allow Data to decide then if he wanted to die?

All in all, it's a really bad scene with really bad implications.
 

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So what was the reason he couldn't be brought back into a new body with finite existence (what he wanted) like Picard was?
 

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...maybe? For a season that pulled on some deep lore (hehe) and some forgotten characters, the lack of even a mention of Lore or Lal (Data's FIRST daughter!) seems like a huge oversight. Especially Lal...that seems like a pretty significant detail in a story about Data's daughters.

I mean...even B-freakin-4 showed up. On screen, no less.
It just furthers the notion that the show was more of a sequel to the movies than TNG by most metrics.
 

imbarkus

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Remember, he already 'died' once before when his head was blown off and stuck in the 19th century. When it was reactivated again in the 24th, did Data say to the crew 'please don't revive me, I should be dead because that's what being human means'. It's dumb. I also don't think Data as a purely rationally driven being could want to die in that sense.

Not only do I remember this but I remember the passage of dialog where Data stated he had been worried that he might live forever, and that the discovery of his future deactivation was actually a comfort to him and helped him feel closer to humanity.

The fact that his severed, five-hundred-year-old head was reattached at the end of Time's Arrow reintroduced Data's concern. I found his desire to let himself end very much in character.
 

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I quite liked Picard. I much prefer Discovery, but Picard was good. The one thing I didn't like was the F bombs. I'm not a prude, I swear like a mother fucker in real life, but there was something so wrong about hearing it in Star Trek. Even the use of "shit" in Discovery is a bit iffy. I do like though that there are characters that are more grounded-sounding, a bit less sterile, more rough around the edges than the slightly more straight-laced and stoic air of the TNG cast. TNG is great, peak Trek for me, but modern Trek has been enjoyable for me.
 

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These scenes, and everything with Frakes was great. It definitely was a bumpy ride, but what Trek show was great absolutely through in it's first season?

Looking forward to season 2, and hoping it hits even higher.
 

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Not only do I remember this but I remember the passage of dialog where Data stated he had been worried that he might live forever, and that the discovery of his future deactivation was actually a comfort to him and helped him feel closer to humanity.

The fact that his severed, five-hundred-year-old head was reattached at the end of Time's Arrow reintroduced Data's concern. I found his desire to let himself end very much in character.
But he didn't ask to be terminated, did he? He was brought back and didn't see any need to be terminated because it was 'more human'. There's a pretty big difference between 'maybe I won't always be around' and 'please kill me because that's what's supposed to happen'
 

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Overall, I thought Star Trek: Picard was at its strongest when Picard was reunited with old characters. Almost everywhere else, the show just feels off. I can't quite put my finger on it. That goes for pretty much all new-era Trek.

Data's final scene was a sublime moment in an otherwise mediocre two-part finale.
 
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overall i think this season was more miss than hit, but it was still nice to see some of these characters again
I just don't understand why Data would want to die or why Picard would kill him. They can't put him in a golem too? Or just another robot?? It's all just forced so they can have an emotionally manipulative moment. I kinda hate this show but to each their own I guess.
it makes enough sense considering the ultimate goal of his character (to be human, living, mortal), and his previous dialogue regarding death

I recall during an episode of TNG Data finds his own future deactivated head due to time travel shenanigans, assuming it to be evidence of his future death, and people uncomfortably ask him how he feels about that (considering they assumed he would be immortal)
And his response iirc was actually that it gave him comfort knowing that he does come to an end, a defined lifetime like a true living mortal being, and not a machine that just goes on and on forever. It added a sense of completion to his life that proved he was not all that different than his living friends, and even stated that he was looking forward to it someday.

(while experiencing the timeloop, data discovers that this is not his death and actually uses the timeline shenanigans to deliver a message to the future with his detached head, it's complicated, but the important part to this conversation is how he felt about the idea of his death)

Data here has learned that he did die decades ago, blown up, scattered to pieces in the line of duty. He lived a finite life, defined by his choices in that time period, and capped of by sacrificing himself to save his friends. His mind is brought back and from his point of view the choice appears to be this: Embrace the everlasting machine, or allow his sacrifice to cap off a defined admirable life, living and dying like a natural person.

As you might expect with that TNG episode in mind, he rejects the everlasting machine. What he always wanted was to be human. And he decides that he is content with what was his life. Sure he could have decided to give it another arbitrary 20 years, and then maybe decide to add another 50, another 230 after that. He could go on and on if he chose to. But that's not what he's about. To him, he earned this death, and it represents his personal finish line on his journey to become human.

Effectively this scene/concept exists to give Picard and Data a chance to talk about and reflect on his sacrifice, since there was obviously no time to do so in the moment. Picard is allowed to express to Data his gratitude for the sacrifice and his love, and Data is allowed to express to Picard how contented he is with that sacrifice and how much Picard meant to him. And with that said, there's nothing left to settle. Data is complete.
 

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I guess this is why I didn't like where they took Picard in the end. He essentially set aside his humanity to take Data's intended future.
Not to mention the fact that you've made an immortal character out of a very mortal actor. I just don't see it ending well.

Didn't the synths say that Picard would die around about the same time as he would've ifbhe didn't have the disease? That seemed like such a low blow. Give Picard a new body but without all the cool abilities and longevity.
 
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It just furthers the notion that the show was more of a sequel to the movies than TNG by most metrics.
I'd agree with this except that this is a show that pulled on Bruce Maddox, Hugh, Icheb, Seven of Nine, brought in canon from the JJverse movies (destruction of Romulus), and even had an Admiral who was once a random ensign in a single episode of TNG. They pulled on some deep lore, but also ignored Lore (yeah, I did that) that would have been meaningful to the story at hand. I would have given up Hugh's scenes if instead we had a scene of Picard telling Soji about Data's, and her, family. About how her "sister" died and how that affected Data. That would have been better than another scene killing off a TNG or VOY character.
 

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Didn't the synths say that Picard would die around about the same time as he would've ifbhe didn't have the disease? That seemed like such a low blow. Give Picard a new body but without all the cool abilities and longevity.

That's right, I forgot that. That even makes it more of a half-choice, doesn't it? Like when Sisko didn't really sacrifice himself to stop Dukat and the Pagh Wraiths, but yet still was going away to leave Jake and pregnant Cassidy on their own for an unspecified length of time. Feels like the worst of both worlds.
 

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Whenever they brought back old TNG actors it was usually great but I thought the rest of the show was huge mess