For those who don't know: Ukraine had the 3rd largest stock of nuclear weapons after the fall of the Soviet Union. They gave them up in exchange for guarantees by western nations promising them safety and security. Yep.
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Massive Russian military buildup near Ukraine
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I mean… I am Russian, so I can sort of imagine. I usually try not to watch state TV channels, though, so I am not desensitized, for better or worse.
It's because a large number of posts from certain users in this thread (and in the socialism OT) are indistinguishable from posts by Russian bots or trolls or have been made in bad faith. Consequently, these members have been banned.
You cannot waltz into a 140+ page thread and pose questions that are indiscernible from trolling (in the context of a 140+ page discussion and eight years of Russian military action against Ukraine) and then be surprised if you receive a poor reception.
Well this is terrifying as hell. I'm so sorry to anyone in Ukraine. The President needs to get out ASAP.
Lets not beat around the bush. It might not end with him outright saying the words, but this is a declaration of war.
It's a litany of ramblings about why.
It's a litany of ramblings about why.
I read a story a few days ago where Macron basically said Putin did this exact thing in person, and that he was far more unhinged than he was just a few years ago, so I guess no one should be surprised.
In Moscow, Macron found a different, tougher Putin
Russian President Vladimir Putin spent much of his marathon talks with France's Emmanuel Macron this week on the Ukraine crisis reciting grievances that date back to the end of the Cold War, two sources in the French leader's entourage said.
www.reuters.com
Good fucking lord. Just going to hope someone near Putin grows a conscience and "solves" this.
Guarantees by Western Nations and Russia
Yo, Iran: take good fucking notes.
What he wants, goes. No one can solve it if he doesn't want it to be solved.
Autocracies suck.
That was actually a discussed possibility:
It is like someone who got divorced from the love of their life over 30 years ago and had never recovered, but just getting worse and worse with age.
It really is. Putin being unhinged and even the closest circle Lavrov, Shoigu, et al. seeming to act like they afraid of him means this could turn in to anything. If Putin get his way here who knows what is next on his agenda.
yeah markets not liking it
Is this all worth Putin bankrupting his country?
They were already in a shaky economic status.
When sanctions hit and they cut off supplies to Russia and it territories.. how many people are going to die due to things like starvation?
you can't be serious with encouraging nuclear proliferation
This has been one of his big excuses for terrorising Ukraine the past decade. I really hope there is little on his mind about Nato actually starting a nuclear war, because he has proven to be so unhinged that if he does think that, we are fucked.
Honestly, following this speech, I feel like maybe he doesn't want to stop with Ukraine. I don't think this turns into a world war or anything, but I do feel like he's got his eye on rebuilding the old Russian empire and I can't blame Eastern European dudes for being nervous.
Knowing Putin's thinking that is without doubt a lie. But as I said earlier in this thread, it's nice to think about.
The amount of pensioners in Russia living below poverty line is greater than the population of entire Ukraine.
He does not give a flying fuck, as long as he can redraw the map and have his name in the history books as Vladimir The Restorer
Putin said not long time ago that "if there is no Russia there will be no world"
This is why the "west" needs to continue to funnel resistance supplies as much as they can post-invasion; need to completely bog down their army and economy in a sustained operation.
Yeah. I had been watching this but at this point it's just giving me extreme anxiety so I'm gonna have to step away. Scary shit, even if it is mostly words currently and remains that way.
He's basically saying that if he wants and ends up invading Ukraine, he has reasons to to it elsewhere too.
My thoughts precisely. I didn't think he was this...I'm not even sure what to call it, but I hope hope hope part of this is an act.
Putin basically saying that there can be no diplomacy here unless US/NATO agree to all their core demands which includes turning the clock back to 1997 in terms of NATO in Europe.
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