Massive cables leak exposes the reality of China's Muslim prison camps

[Dreams-Visions]

Its a strange feeling to be faced with an atrocity that you have no control over.

Even monsters like climate change and corruption in government - we feel like we have control since we can change our life to be more green and help in small ways, or get involved in local politics and support the politicians you believe in.

But this... this is just fucked. And no one can do anything about it.

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I feel like the West could very much do something: they can formulate an international plan to draw down and divest their businesses in China, instead relocating them and the necessary infrastructure to East and West Africa and to South America. Make it a plan like climate plans: a 20 year plan with benchmarks. China will reverse course somewhere along the way and Africa and SA would benefit from the new industry and infrastructure added along the way. Plus it's good to not have all the eggs in one basket. China has proven that definitively. They cannot be trusted with this kind of economic power. No one can, but them especially.

 

[Deleted member 431]

What the hell is with the guardians article about "China's response", it has almost zero quotation and is just giving China a platform to spread their propaganda.

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That seems to be written by the Chinese Embassy in London, but yeah, wtf are they doing.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

TBF, no US President would do shit about it.

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Not sure why anyone thinks that the US would do anything about it right now, except asking for the construction plans.

 

[Deleted member 16657]

I feel like the West could very much do something: they can formulate an international plan to draw down and divest their businesses in China, instead relocating them and the necessary infrastructure to East and West Africa and to South America. Make it a plan like climate plans: a 20 year plan with benchmarks. China will reverse course somewhere along the way and Africa and SA would benefit from the new industry and infrastructure added along the way. Plus it's good to not have all the eggs in one basket. China has proven that definitively. They cannot be trusted with this kind of economic power. No one can, but them especially.

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This would only happen if the unpopularity of working with China outweighed the benefits, which would only happen through mass protest and lobbying, and we can't even stop eating a fucking chicken sandwich.

 

[Deleted member 431]

This would only happen if the unpopularity of working with China outweighed the benefits, which would only happen through mass protest and lobbying, and we can't even stop eating a fucking chicken sandwich.

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I think this is starting to happen. The incidents with Blizzard and the NBA took the China issue to the mainstream and got a lot of people talking about impact from Chinese state capitalism and how it affects them, who otherwise haven't been paying attention. It also brought the Hong Kong protests mainstream, too. I think stuff like this is going to happen more often because China under Xi is a lot more willing to spread its wings and try to influence global politics, than his predecessors.

You're right, though, it'll be difficult. However, the entire western world and global liberal democracies would benefit from such a plan to de-couple themselves from the Chinese state.

 

[Camwi]

Obviously this president isn't going to do shit to protect Muslims, but you'd think a democratic president could start shifting our imports away from China and towards the million other countries that manufacture stuff and pay their employees crap. We continue our leeching ways, China gets fucked.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

This really is Holocaust 2.0

Only difference is the CCP has way more economic/political power than Nazi Germany, so no one can do shit about them.

Christ.

 

[DiK4]

Being muslim is part of it, with 'it' with a collective identity that quite simply isn't Han Chinese, in a region that the Chinese state is concerned could attempt to breakaway at some stage, both due to a specific set of nationalists, but also a lingering resentment towards the Warlord Era. Allowing any part of what they consider to be China to slip away, whether geographically or culturally, is something they fundamentally refuse to allow. So, they will imprison the Uyghurs. They will break the Uyghurs. They will tear down mosques and they will settle their own to cement their claim to the region, and erase any notion that the land belongs to anyone but 'China', as they define it.

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How long has this been going on for? Makes me wonder if this an underlying reason for terrorist groups forming over the past 2 decades.

 

[AmFreak]

Not as long as the gears of capitalism keep turning and relies on Chinese labor, no.

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It's not about Chinese labor, it's about their market.

 

[Deleted member 16657]

I think this is starting to happen. The incidents with Blizzard and the NBA took the China issue to the mainstream and got a lot of people talking about impact from Chinese state capitalism and how it affects them, who otherwise haven't been paying attention. It also brought the Hong Kong protests mainstream, too. I think stuff like this is going to happen more often because China under Xi is a lot more willing to spread its wings and try to influence global politics, than his predecessors.

You're right, though, it'll be difficult. However, the entire western world and global liberal democracies would benefit from such a plan to de-couple themselves from the Chinese state.

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I guess how the HK protests end up will be telling. There hasn't been an example of Chinese authoritarianism with more global interest than this.

 

[Top NHST Product]

I'll do anything I can but it's frustrating to know that it's a drop in the bucket. Trying to pay attention to my consumption as much as possible, already swore off getting a PS5. Spreading awareness where I can. Partying attention to updates. Getting experience to run for office down the line but that's years and years away. Has to be something more that I can do but with so many shit situations going on globally I'm struggling to figure out what angle that I can take that I haven't already considered.

These people and millions of others need help now and so many just shrug.

 

[Orange Piccolo]

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[VeePs]

Fuck China

 

[spx54]

someone in the CCP is coming for Pooh bear's head.

 

[Powdered Egg]

I do wonder if the US would even be trying to do something under different leadership. Like without trade wars against all our partners ,we could instead start working with the international community to put pressure on China. But they'd probably just knuckle under and trade with people who wouldn't agree to sanctions so...

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Obama had a good post presidency interview with the Atlantic I think. To paraphrase, he wanted to pay more attention to China but felt pressure from others in his Administration to stay on the Middle East.

 

[Nome]

How long has this been going on for? Makes me wonder if this an underlying reason for terrorist groups forming over the past 2 decades.

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It's not.

 

[lmcfigs]

Will anything be done?

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no

 

[nampad]

Sad that this is not all over the news in Germany. There isn't even some news about it on some outlets (e.g. Zeit, Welt,...).

 

[JonnyDBrit]

How long has this been going on for? Makes me wonder if this an underlying reason for terrorist groups forming over the past 2 decades.

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To this extreme? Within the last few years. But China's been gradually encouraging domestic migration into the area - formally, Xinjiang - to alter the demographics over time for decades. And of course, there's been tensions over other parts of China - their inability to wholly subjugate Taiwan, the whole Free Tibet movement through the 90s and 00s - that have ensured that the general issue - maintaining PRC control of all 'China' - has simmered beneath the surface for a long time. Xinjiang - or more broadly, Turkestan - has the particular 'honour' of being the westernmost frontier of China, and so has historically spent many centuries outside of the control of anyone seated in Beijing. So it's much easier for those in power to rationalise their concerns, and subsequently methods, in response to that.

Edit: To stress though, this is very much an issue internal of China and isn't really tied to terrorism overseas.

 

[Dr.Phibes]

To the folks in here talking about Holocaust 2.0: Communist China has been doing this since its inception, it's nothing "new" unfortunately.

 

[Mekanos]

It's not about Chinese labor, it's about their market.

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So these companies would otherwise be perfectly happy to close down all of their factories and manufacturing facilities and move to another country, despite all of the logistic and financial barriers this would pose?

 

[Puroresu_kid]

How is this in less worse than say ISIS?

The lack of just verbal response from the world leaders is disgraceful.

 

[RoaminRonin]

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What great timing for America to have a weak inept moron running the country...

 

[Window]

I'm saying nobody is going to do anything as long as industries rely on Chinese labor for their business.

Every country is affected by capitalism, even "non-capitalist" ones.

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I'm talking about a hypothetical future of cooperatives. It's not like trade between countries will cease to exist or substantially reduce in a socialist world. Capitalism does exacerbate the issue but underlying cause of the global (non) response to this runs deeper.

In any case, I hope there's some strong actions from the UN on this but I'm not holding my breath. Seeing what's happening in Yemen makes me believe many people just don't care as long as it doesn't affect them.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

I think this is starting to happen. The incidents with Blizzard and the NBA took the China issue to the mainstream and got a lot of people talking about impact from Chinese state capitalism and how it affects them, who otherwise haven't been paying attention. It also brought the Hong Kong protests mainstream, too. I think stuff like this is going to happen more often because China under Xi is a lot more willing to spread its wings and try to influence global politics, than his predecessors.

You're right, though, it'll be difficult. However, the entire western world and global liberal democracies would benefit from such a plan to de-couple themselves from the Chinese state.

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That was all HK though. The response to HK actions against protesters gets a much larger presence than the crimes against the Ughyr people.

 

[Steel]

This really is Holocaust 2.0

Only difference is the CCP has way more economic/political power than Nazi Germany, so no one can do shit about them.

Christ.

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And nukes.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

To the folks in here talking about Holocaust 2.0: Communist China has been doing this since its inception, it's nothing "new" unfortunately.

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I mean, yea you're right. And that's so fucked up. And this is just business as usual for the CCP.

So these companies would otherwise be perfectly happy to close down all of their factories and manufacturing facilities and move to another country, despite all of the logistic and financial barriers this would pose?

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I think a lot of production has shifted to India and South East Asia as labor there is even cheaper.

It's really just about China's buying power, not so much their production anymore (not as much as it used to be, anyway)

 

[BringBackSonics]

Now we need another thread where Chinese government > western democracy

 

[FILE_ID.DIZ]

How nice to know that people here see the real problem with China's policies is The West and Capitalism.

The bootlicking is pathetic, but entirely predictable.

 

[Paperboywriter]

TBF, no US President would do shit about it.


Too bad for Germany that they didn't make our iPhones and sneakers.

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Even though the sell those iPhones for the price as if they were produced in Germany.

 

[Mizeris Lutz Ether Lanai]

Think about this the next time the community goes off if a console costs $100 more than another one or about how greedy and anti-consumer it is if the price of games goes up $10. That type of reaction is exactly why companies - who are the real voices politicians and governments listen to - will do nothing. We're all hostages to market competition.

 

[SolidSnakex]

This is the Holocaust 2.0

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It sounds a lot more like China went and made their own Unit 731.

 

[Arkanim94]

the feeling of helplessness about this situation is unreal, fucking hell...

 

[Mammoth Jones]

And people cheer for China to takeover US as the global power....

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[Mizeris Lutz Ether Lanai]

How nice to know that people here see the real problem with China's policies is The West and Capitalism.

The bootlicking is pathetic, but entirely predictable.

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Who Is licking boots? The critique is within the context of frustration over an inability to pressure China to change their actions.

 

[Kill3r7]

I wonder if 20 years from now people will ask why few people spoke up.

Like few people spoke up when Nazi Germany started putting Jews in camps.

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It's much more likely that in 20 years we are under even greater Chinese influence.

 

[Brinbe]

whoever leaked these is a goddamn hero. not that we needed proof, but no one can deny this shit now.

china, is you taking notes on a genocidal crimes against humanity???

 

[Sagadego17]

And people cheer for China to takeover US as the global power....

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the bastards should thrown into the sun

 

[Creation_Scapes]

Is anything going to be done about this?

 

[Deleted member 11413]

Private prison companies taking notes.

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Private prison conditions in the US are routinely worse than what's being described in this leak.

Of course, this leak isn't describing the worst aspects of these camps, such as the torture, abuse, and organ harvesting.

 

[Mizeris Lutz Ether Lanai]

Obviously this president isn't going to do shit to protect Muslims, but you'd think a democratic president could start shifting our imports away from China and towards the million other countries that manufacture stuff and pay their employees crap. We continue our leeching ways, China gets fucked.

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The real actors here should be the Middle East. They could starve China for oil. I have no idea how the events of the past few decades haven't brought them closer to a forming a true pan-Arab league.

 

[GarthLordOfTheSith]

Xi took the horrors of the nazis death camps to heart and is determined to one up them. I hope the Chinese President gets shot.

 

['3y Kingdom]

In the past, this would lead to another world war.

Now? Nothing will happen.

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I think you'd need some invasions to get to that point. Genocide alone wasn't enough back then, and won't be enough now.

 

[SilentPanda]

Is anything going to be done about this?

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Not at all, any western interventation would be seen as the western power interfering in a domestic affair, and majority of the world government don't really care about the oppressed, except to make themself feel better, look at the response to the HK protest, the protester have been clear on what they want, and it got reduced to Free HK(Not part of the 5 demand of the protestor, and not a realistic option)
Or make pointless law that they just use to get a better trade deal with China.

The only one that can do anything are the native population of China, and, and either see it as fake news by western power to descredit China, or go on a whataboutism, on how western power did similiar action before in displacing native population, etc.

 

[AmFreak]

So these companies would otherwise be perfectly happy to close down all of their factories and manufacturing facilities and move to another country, despite all of the logistic and financial barriers this would pose?

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Companies always have and always will do that when labour gets to expensive (and they already are moving out of Shenzen for that reason).
Cheap labour isn't exclusive to China and is temporary anyways.
What is exclusive to China is getting access to the biggest market in the world.
All these foreign companies didn't create joint ventures with Chinese companies ("sharing" their trade secrets) because of cheap Chinese labour, they created them because it was the only way to get access to the Chinese market.

 

[Quixzlizx]

This really is Holocaust 2.0

Only difference is the CCP has way more economic/political power than Nazi Germany, so no one can do shit about them.

Christ.

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No countries were going to do anything about Holocaust 1.0 before Nazi Germany started declaring war on them.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

The human race will always find new ways to disgust me. Chinese government is committing ethnic cleansing in the most horrible way possible and world leaders are going to bury their heads in the sand. Just like they are with Yemen. They're a joke.

 

[sirap]

Let's hope this thread doesn't die off like the last 3.

Oh and fuck China. I've already decided to stop buying anything that comes out of that country. And before some smart ass comes in here and says it wouldn't change anything, fuck it. I'll do what I can, you do you.

 

[Deleted member 7279]

At best from a garden variety American president we'd get a strong condemnation and it would be a big media story for a day, maybe two, and then we go back to business as usual. Horrible shit happens all the time in this world and American presidents have grown quite adept at either ignoring it or finding a way to enrich America because of it.

 

[BringBackSonics]

The human race will always find new ways to disgust me. Chinese government is committing ethnic cleansing in the most horrible way possible and world leaders are going to bury their heads in the sand. Just like they are with Yemen. They're a joke.

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Hands off China, internal problems need to be resolved internally etc etc.