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Grunty

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,360
Gruntilda’s Lair
Since the boy clearly is not of age to manage that kind of money, how will the money be handled?

I am just concerned that maybe some third party would try to carve that money for themselves by making it seem like they're doing it for the kid.

Terrible news all around :(

I would assume it would be whoever his new legal guardians will be, which is most likely to be the Grandparents.

Horrible situation and senseless loss of life for nothing.
 

Ayato_Kanzaki

Member
Nov 22, 2017
1,481
This is unbelievably heartbreaking. That poor kid.

How long will the U.S. let this go on?

It will last as long as the US people let this go on. Reelecting the same corrupt politicians and most US citizens doing nothing more than complain about it. Right now, there's not a 3 millions+ crowd of angry protesters demanding reforms sitting in front of the capitol. So those politicians can ignore you, because you, the US population as a whole, don't really want gun control all that much, right?.

Historically speaking, the only thing that pushed one state to adopt vigorous gun control was, guess it... the Black Panther movement (where armed vigilantes teams started following cop patrols to make sure they kept their racism on a tight leash) and black people starting to arm themselves en-masse. Suddenly open-carry and assault rifles got outlawed. Wonder why...

The only other thing that could convince those politicians to really embrace gun control, would be for them to be directly and repeatedly targeted. After all, money only matter as long as you keep breathing. But as long as it happens to someone else, the status quo is fine for them.
 

Ignatz Mouse

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Oct 27, 2017
10,741
I'm baffled that the press seems to be sleeping on the fact that this was a right wing protester and not a lone wolf, with MAGA connections. And that he cased a synagogue a few months ago.
 

Wraith

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Jun 28, 2018
8,892

View: https://twitter.com/EladNehorai/status/1544826173653258241

This is not just a guy who ended up taking a couple pics at a Trump rally or with a Trump flag ironically, as the magasphere would have us believe. He was clearly one of them. He had a history of violence and harassment. Authorities refused to acknowledge or correct it when it was happening right in front of them.
 
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VariantX

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,890
Columbia, SC
Honestly, at this point since Congress and lawmakers can't do shit about guns, people just need to sue the shit out of anyone and everyone associated with them in any way possible. Sue the gunmakers for making guns a public nuisance like localities are suing pharmaceutical companies for opioid proliferation and abuse. Sue the family members of these mass shooters. Sue the gun stores. Sue the government for shitty background checks. Sue individual politicians . Sue the NRA.

Suing people/places/things is just as American as having too many fucking guns so, fight fire with fire, hit any and all enablers in their pocket books. If dead kids won't cause people to give up their guns, stop the flow of guns by bankrupting the manufacturers and making the prospect of owning a gun excessively expensive.

Fully expect those same lawmakers to leap into action and put something on the books to protect those people and groups from suits if that starts to become a trend. Power always protects itself.
 

WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
13,200

View: https://twitter.com/EladNehorai/status/1544826173653258241

This is not just a guy who ended up taking a couple pics at a Trump rally or with a Trump flag ironically, as the magasphere would have us believe. He was clearly one of them. He had a history of violence and harassment. Authorities refused to acknowledge or correct it when it was happening right in front of them.


We're at a terrible stage where we have regular acts of political violence and our media is downright scared to call it like it is, lest the be labeled as "liberal" by the far right bubble.
 

julian

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Oct 27, 2017
16,786
I'm not sure how easy it is to win when the police didn't even think there was enough to do anything.
The police can't act on a feeling like that. Nobody was willing to say he was a threat. I'm okay with the police not being the ones to make that call. It obviously didn't work out in this case but I am not sure how much I want the police to have the power to charge somebody of a crime on another's behalf. I suppose we do it for domestic abuse for good reason so maybe there should be other exceptions, I'd just tread carefully.
I'm baffled that the press seems to be sleeping on the fact that this was a right wing protester and not a lone wolf, with MAGA connections. And that he cased a synagogue a few months ago.
My father-in-law mentioned there being talk that it was an anti-semitic attack but I didn't really see any reporting here on it. CNN must've mentioned it at some point though because he didn't make up hearing that and that's what he was watching.
 

construct

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Jun 5, 2020
7,965
東京

View: https://twitter.com/EladNehorai/status/1544826173653258241

This is not just a guy who ended up taking a couple pics at a Trump rally or with a Trump flag ironically, as the magasphere would have us believe. He was clearly one of them. He had a history of violence and harassment. Authorities refused to acknowledge or correct it when it was happening right in front of them.

will they be investigated and put on a list that denies them access to guns? or when something happens again will there be the "we had no way of knowing" rhetoric
 

nihilence

nøthing but silence
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
15,937
From 'quake area to big OH.
Need more "red flag" protections and accountability. All the laws don't mean anything if they have a record, but can still pass checks (or in some cases, records not reported it not signed).
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,771
Is there not a red flag gun law in Illinois? I figured if any liberal state would have one, it would be them.
 

CatAssTrophy

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Dec 4, 2017
7,621
Texas
I'm baffled that the press seems to be sleeping on the fact that this was a right wing protester and not a lone wolf, with MAGA connections. And that he cased a synagogue a few months ago.

Oh they are well aware, and doing their best not to even make eye contact with the elephant in the room. This happens with all of the white and/or right wing shooters. They make sure to frame it as ANYTHING BUT his radicalized political affiliation because they don't want to be liable for basically calling out an entire party and a little less than half of the country. They're scared someone will pay their offices a visit if they don't watch their words.

This is literally terrorism.
 

SilentPanda

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Nov 6, 2017
13,726
Earth

Red flags missed: How July 4 suspect slipped through system


Illinois' "red-flag" law could have stopped the suspect in the Independence Day parade shooting from buying a gun or at least delayed the purchase of the weapon he's accused of using to kill seven people and wound dozens.
Police in the Chicago suburb of Highland Park were called twice to the home of Robert Crimo III in 2019 — once after he tried to commit suicide and again when he allegedly threatened to "kill everyone" in his family. On either occasion, they could have immediately exercised part of the law that allowed them to seek a restraining order to prevent Crimo from buying guns for anywhere from 14 days to six months.

Obtaining such a delay could have bought critical time for police to seek more information to ask a judge for a longer order preventing a gun purchase.
Crimo's warning signs also included a voluminous and disturbing social media footprint that went back years and somehow escaped law enforcement scrutiny despite the fact that the aspiring rapper had thousands of followers on YouTube and songs on Spotify that collectively had millions of plays.
After receiving his permit in January 2020, Crimo passed four background checks when buying firearms that year and the next, the state police noted, adding that the only offense that surfaced in his criminal history was a 2016 ordinance violation for possession of tobacco.


apnews.com

Red flags missed: How July 4 suspect slipped through system

Illinois’ “red-flag” law could have stopped the suspect in the Independence Day parade shooting from buying a gun or at least delayed the purchase of the weapon he’s accused of using to kill seven people and wound dozens.
 
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Red flags missed: How July 4 suspect slipped through system








apnews.com

Red flags missed: How July 4 suspect slipped through system

Illinois’ “red-flag” law could have stopped the suspect in the Independence Day parade shooting from buying a gun or at least delayed the purchase of the weapon he’s accused of using to kill seven people and wound dozens.
It's because we do not give a shit about mental health treatment. It is still treated as taboo with a large swath of people disregarding it as weakness. The police fucked up because they have no concept of mental illness or take it seriously. They just see a nuisance that won't listen.
 

IAMtheFMan

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Oct 25, 2017
1,025
Chicago
As a father in the Chicagoland area with young children, I really can't stop thinking about that orphaned child. I keep imagining my kids in that situation and it scares me completely shitless. :(
 

SilentPanda

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Nov 6, 2017
13,726
Earth

Highland Park mass shooting suspect charged with 117 felony crimes


The man accused of opening fire on an Independence Day parade in suburban Chicago, killing seven, has been indicted by a grand jury on 117 felony charges.
The indictment included 21 first-degree murder counts, 48 counts of attempted murder and 48 counts of aggravated battery, representing the seven people killed and dozens wounded in the attack on the Fourth of July event in Highland Park, Illinois.
Authorities have said the more than 30 wounded in the attack, in addition to those killed, range in age from eight to their 80s, including an eight-year-old boy who was paralyzed from the waist down when the shooting severed his spine.
Investigators believe Crimo blended in with the fleeing crowd to get away from the scene, then borrowed his mother's car and briefly contemplated a second attack on a celebration in Madison, Wisconsin, before returning to Illinois where police arrested him.

www.theguardian.com

Highland Park mass shooting suspect charged with 117 felony crimes

Robert Crimo, 21, accused of killing seven and wounding dozens in Fourth of July attack in Chicago suburb, indicted by grand jury
 

UrbanDandy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Highland Park mass shooting suspect charged with 117 felony crimes







www.theguardian.com

Highland Park mass shooting suspect charged with 117 felony crimes

Robert Crimo, 21, accused of killing seven and wounding dozens in Fourth of July attack in Chicago suburb, indicted by grand jury
Has there ever been a high count on felonies for shootings before? If Illinois doesn't have the death penalty, the shooter wished he had killed himself or suicide by cop. He is going to be in prison until he dies of old age.
 

Senator Toadstool

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,651
Has there ever been a high count on felonies for shootings before? If Illinois doesn't have the death penalty, the shooter wished he had killed himself or suicide by cop. He is going to be in prison until he dies of old age.
It's not gonna be tried on all of them… this is just an indictment. With just the murders he's never getting out
 

SilentPanda

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Nov 6, 2017
13,726
Earth

Father of Suspect in Highland Park July 4th Massacre Facing Criminal Charges for Helping Son Get Firearm Owner ID Card


The father of the man accused of gunning down 4th of July parade-goers in a Chicago suburb has been criminally charged for helping his son get a license to legally own firearms.
Crimo Jr., a failed 2019 candidate for Highland Park mayor, was arrested by the Highland Park Police Department on Friday, Rinehart's office said in the announcement. He faces seven counts of felony Reckless Conduct for allegedly helping his son procure a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, a requirement for legal ownership of a firearm in Illinois.
Nevertheless, the suspect's father didn't indicate that he felt any remorse over helping his son get the weapon he allegedly used to rain fire down on dozens of people from the top of a building along the parade route.

"Guilty, no, he did it all on his own," Crimo Jr. told WLS.
Crimo Jr. faces up to three years in prison.


lawandcrime.com

Father of Suspect in Highland Park July 4th Massacre Facing Criminal Charges for Helping Son Get Firearm Owner ID Card

Robert Crimo Jr. had previously told a local news outlet that he didn't feel guilty for helping his son, Robert Crimo III, procure identification that would allow him to legally own a firearm.
 

grand

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Oct 25, 2017
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Father of Suspect in Highland Park July 4th Massacre Facing Criminal Charges for Helping Son Get Firearm Owner ID Card







lawandcrime.com

Father of Suspect in Highland Park July 4th Massacre Facing Criminal Charges for Helping Son Get Firearm Owner ID Card

Robert Crimo Jr. had previously told a local news outlet that he didn't feel guilty for helping his son, Robert Crimo III, procure identification that would allow him to legally own a firearm.
GOOD
 

SilentPanda

Member
Nov 6, 2017
13,726
Earth
60 days in jail.

Placed the lives of hundreds in jeopardy': Father of accused Highland Park mass shooter pleads guilty to misdemeanor for helping son get gun license


The father of a man who allegedly killed seven people and injured dozens more in a Fourth of July mass shooting will spend time behind bars for helping his son get a permit to buy assault weapons used in the attack.
As part of the deal, Crimo Jr. will serve 60 days in Lake County Jail and two years on probation. He was originally charged with felonies and faced a potential maximum of three years behind bars.
Prosecutors alleged that Crimo Jr. was aware at the time he helped him get the FOID card that his son had "expressed violent ideation," including having tried to "commit suicide by machete" and had threatened to use his knife collection to "kill everyone."
The prosecutor said that he hoped that by holding Crimo Jr. accountable and sending him to jail, the county would send a message: "There will be a cost. Justice will have its day."


lawandcrime.com

Father of accused Highland Park mass shooter pleads guilty to helping son get gun license

"Robert Crimo Jr., the father, made the reckless and dangerous decision to sponsor his son's FOID application," prosecutors said.