Yes. There is an end state where every character, including shepherd, dies at the end of mass effect 2. Unsurprisingly you cannot import those saves to Me3...
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Yes. There is an end state where every character, including shepherd, dies at the end of mass effect 2. Unsurprisingly you cannot import those saves to Me3...
The Normandy has its own private TSA cause they'll stop another Collector invasion from happening.
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Yeah, you can lose everyone in ME2, but that also means Shepard dies. You need to have at least 2 survivors to import your save to ME3, IIRC. Though you can save a disloyal Miranda and Jack and let them both die in ME3 by not warning Miranda about Kai Leng and ignoring the Grissom Academy mission.
Yeah -- this is more the kind of answer I was looking for. I know there is a non-canon "everyone dies" ending to ME2. I was thinking more along the lines of the worst / most unusual game state you can get yourself into for ME3.
Saving a disloyal Miranda and Jack is a good one.
I also saw a suggestion that you should make it Zaeed and Kasumi that survive the suicide mission, which also seems like a pretty devious one.
I know it's purely subjective, but I'd also be curious about the "worst" (or at least the least-popular?) romance options.
I guess it's less about an "objectively terrible" game state and more about a really uncommon or unusual one. Uncommon dialogues and options you can find yourself with if you really work at it.
Wait wait wait you get avasarala in me3 if tali dies in me2??
methinks tali is going to be tragically mis assigned to lead a fire team (composed of her alone)
methinks tali is going to be tragically mis assigned to lead a fire team (composed of her alone)
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In regards to romance, I think Jacob is the least popular, specially so now that everyone knows he's going to cheat on Shepard anyways lol
Keeping Zaeed and Kasumi alive is a good one too, Zaeed can die and Kasumi just ghosts you. I find it easier to just never recruit them, though. Fewer squadmates to deal with during SM.
It's the best DLC in the franchise, get into it.
I don't know what your problem with the DLC is (I honestly don't remember the beginning as well, I only played through it once), but keep in mind that the Citadel DLC is 100% fanservice. So the tone is not just heavily comedic but almost like a parody (in a celebratory way), full of in jokes and references.
If that's not your thing, the DLC won't do it for you.
What's the problem?
Far and away the worst "romance" of the series. Which is saying a lot considering that Ashley is an option.
I usually let Jacob die in 2 though so I don't run into that mission in 3.
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Yeah the Shepard breathing one is what kicked off the indoctrination theory. People assumed them breathing was them waking up from the Starchild dream.
Such fond memories of pushing that theory so I didn't have to accept that the ending just straight up sucked.
"The Citadel doesn't have rebar" was definitely the jet fuel-type line I remember from that, lol
Yeah I never quite went that far. I just latched onto all the examples of what at the time seemed like blatant indoctrination. The dreams, the whispers, and then obviously the stuff at the end with IM. It all made sense at the time because I was still under the delusion that BioWare would never mess up that bad on purpose.
I look back and laugh at that now lol
Does kinda suck that they were playing around with a sequence where Shepard does get indoctrinated. I always thought it would be really mindblowing if they gave you dialogue wheels that were like "Help me, something's wrong!" and stuff like that, but then Shepard would say something totally different, "I'm fine, let's move on." Would have been pretty scary.
Problem being I guess there's no real cure for indoctrination so, you know, would have been curtains for playing as Shepard.
There is something off as soon as TIM shows up at the end, like the animations and writing seem off. I dunno, it's like a different team took over.
I also forgot that before the Extended Cut DLC you didn't see how your squad got back on the Normandy and then they also just had them all stranded on that planet in the end. And why is the Catalyst the child from the start? I can't remember if there was a good reason.
I have no idea. I stopped trying to rationalize that garbage ending a long time.
It's why whenever I finish 3 now I literally close the app after Shepard passes out next to Anderson. It's a better ending in my head that the crucible goes off and crashes to earth with Shep still inside. Died a hero. Yay. Next playthrough lol
I never can either on my canon runs. It makes 2 a bit more boring because you never have any of the great romance dialogue with Jack, Miranda, or Garrus. You just get that scene with the picture. Which is cute to be fair.
My favorite romance playthrough though is renegade romance with Ashley and then dump her for a Paragon romance with Miranda in 2 and 3.
This makes me wonder, will Liara remain faithful to Shepard from ME3 to ME4? Assuming there was a romance between them that is. I don't think they would canonize it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Well, I can't wait to see what happens in Andromeda... oh wait, umm...
I find it hard to get too excited about ME4 after that game. I don't think I could take another stinker from BioWare.
Probably not. She barely stayed faithful to him after he "died" in 2. Remember Feron?
Also it's covered in the games that Asari are usually not monogamous in the same way Humans are. Liara even tells Shep that Asari choose to value the time that they have with their partners rather than lament how short their lives are. The Matron stage (when they settle down and have kids) for Asari doesn't start until they are roughly midway through their life cycle. Liara is 106 when ME1 starts and will live to be 1,000. That is a LONG time to be alone after being with someone for only a year or so.
Not saying they won't do it. Just that it's unlikely. Though I guess they could just ignore common sense and make her a nun for the rest of her life for writing purposes. Wouldn't be the first time lol
Oh god, can you imagine seeing Shepard's asari daughter(s) in ME4? I'm not sure how people who never romanced Liara would feel about that lol.
That is quite an interesting playthrough :)
I'll probably die as a very old Sheppard in the arms of a still young and beautiful Liara. About that, It is still strange (to say the least) for me to date Liara, because she makes clear that, for an Asari, she is a child. These writers are always playing with our heads.
I doubt it. Asari aren't monogamous by nature and given their long lifespans when most other species live a fraction of that it would be silly to expect them to never have another relationship. Liara has a special bond with Shepard no matter what so they could easily have her say something ambiguous that can be interpreted as romantic or just platonic. They could use a convo with her as a kind of save import esque like thing where we kind of grill her on Shepard and the events back then when we find out she knew them and get options like "I heard they were an orphan/spacer/colonist" and that they first became famous for "surviving/war hero/ruthless" and such.
I still don't see them doing anything with save imports for actual character/world state info. Maybe some kind of easter egg/bonus item like stuff.
Similar, but I go Ashley->Miranda (with a quickie with Jack for good measure)->Back to Ashley
Renegade runs are fun in 1 and 2 (I am ~75% done 2 right now)
I am still unsure how many people will I let die in 3.
But then I will have my Paragon run with FemShep (100% with Liara with a private dance from whats her name) to make the world right again.
Yeah Miranda is a super underrated romance in my opinion. Liara is obviously the most popular and has the most material, but the whole context of your relationship with Miranda is cute. "Perfect woman" who is manipulated and controlled her whole life finds someone that actually cares enough about her to get to know her. Helps her with her problems without expecting anything in return like Cerberus did. Then finally in the Citadel DLC you get a nice little moment at the casino. It's all super rushed and poorly fleshed out obviously by comparison to Liara, but it's still a cute romance imo.
Dumping Ashley is just a bonus.
I remember that ending being brought up a lot when the trailer for the new Mass Effect seemed to be hinting at Shepard's return. A lot of people seemed to have forgotten that a perfect Destroy ending already hinted at their survival.
Holy shit, I had no idea Conrad Verner could die in the first game. I knew he could in the second game but him dying because he was killed out of self defense for attacking some turians was a genuinely shocking thing to hear on my elevator ride. I'm kind of bummed as I like shooting in the foot in ME2. lol
"There's some cost to doing X" is fine, but "All of the options you have have the same cost, and the cost is essentially the destruction of civilization as you know it, making everything you did in the last 3 games pointless because everyone dies anyways which the Reapers would have done 2 games ago" is just plain bad writing.
It's like sticking "And then a meteor slammed into the planet and killed everyone." at the end of Lord of the Rings or something. Everything that happened before is rendered pointless.
Everything about the original ending reeked of having been put off because they couldn't decide how to wrap it up, and then written at the last minute such that they didn't have time to do full-team reviews of what they'd wrote and accidentally baked in a bunch of unintended and absolutely insane consequences.
Liara talks about this in detail in ME1. I just played through it. She says Asari tend to take a more "philosophical" approach to their unions, since they will outlive all their partners, and will have several at different points in their life.
In short: she fuckin'
Unless you picked Control, in which case they're still fuckin' and it's an event to behold.
Oh. My. God.
Just had my first crash in the game and it was in the middle of the Saren fight. Literally ZERO problems until now. This sucks.
Edit: Wait nevermind that's the second crash. I forgot that it crashed in the middle of the Liara romance scene. I embraced eternity so hard my PS4 died lol
Just had my first crash in the game and it was in the middle of the Saren fight. Literally ZERO problems until now. This sucks.
Edit: Wait nevermind that's the second crash. I forgot that it crashed in the middle of the Liara romance scene. I embraced eternity so hard my PS4 died lol
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Outside of a few moments I'm not a fan of the Citadel DLC mission either but the additional Citadel hub and the party are all absolutely worth powering through the mission. Also you get a really good ass pistol from that mission. But yeah, outside of a couple moments the humor throughout the mission is more than a little tryhard and overly cute for my taste in a way that now kind of reminds me of a lot of the writing in Andromeda, the encounters aren't really that fun and the story is overly dumb (I know there's intentionality to that but I think it goes beyond their intentions).
There's a section later in the mission where you actually get some interesting ME universe lore stuff but yeah, largely I'm not a fan of the mission. That said, the humor they sprinkle throughout the new hub area and in the party is way better IMO. I think the mission is definitely worth going through to get to everything else. I think even the people who do like the mission would mostly agree that the best stuff of that DLC comes after completing the mission.
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So how much of Renegade/Paragon you need to have in ME2 to pick the dialogue options so you don't lose Miranda/Jack - Tali/Legion loyalty now? Even on now on my most Renegade run ever, I still have a lot of Paragon.
I just can't help myself to pick Morinth, for example. Samara's so great
I just can't help myself to pick Morinth, for example. Samara's so great
"We are the Harbinger of your ascendance" is some real good dirty talk.
Unfortunately that's a legacy issue that may or may not be worse here but was definitely present in the original. I feel like this was very common among western developed games of a certain era for whatever reason and ME1 came out at the tail end of that era. I think at some point western developers just started caring about that stuff more (I wouldn't be shocked if the Halo series helped drive some of that).
Yeah, you should be good but my memory is spotty with that stuff. Replaying through these games has really solidified for me some of the issues I have with the Paragon/Renegade system. I don't have an issue with being locked out of choices as a result things like previous choices I did or did not make but being locked out of choices as a result of not having enough either Paragon or Renegade points has ALWAYS felt bad to me.
In a game about choice this points based system essentially discourages the player from making the choice they feel is right for their character and instead encourages you to pick a lane and stick with it. This role playing mechanic in a role playing game limits the player's ability to role play! lol. One of my preferred reasons for playing these games on PC in the past is that with mods or cheat engine you can max out your Paragon/Renegade points essentially eliminating a points based locks.
The other issue I have is there should be an additional conversation option for evil actions. IMO killing the colony on Feros isn't a Renegade action, it's fucking evil as shit! lol
Started a game but feeling indecisive about which class to go with. Played solider years ago the first time I played. Anyone switch it up this time, did you find the other classes have abilities that actually help out or the game does a good job of using with the computers?
Sadly no because they wrote him in ME3 to always apologize for it. Even if you mess with your ME2 save to fix the Renegade flag bug so only Paragon flag is selected he'll still be a douche.