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Mass Effect 3: Selling Javik and his story as a DLC is still one of the shittiest thing a developer has done in video game history
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Yea I was just about to say that. I didn't play any of the ME1 and ME3 DLCs, so a lot of these will be new for me.
Wow, totally forgot about this. Also I love hearing stories like this, because at the time it feels like -- this is how the future is going to be, this is the way it is. And it's clearly not (regardless of how people complain).
It was incredibly shitty and not just for lacking him in the game, but for hearing from gamestop, in a fucking ad, "UNLOCK THE PROTHEAN CHARACTER TO HAVE ON YOUR SQUAD!" like... what a huge colossal fucking weird twist/spoiler to be revealed in a horrible marketing campaign. I remember I was livid.
It was incredibly shitty and not just for lacking him in the game, but for hearing from gamestop, in a fucking ad, "UNLOCK THE PROTHEAN CHARACTER TO HAVE ON YOUR SQUAD!" like... what a huge colossal fucking weird twist/spoiler to be revealed in a horrible marketing campaign. I remember I was livid.
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Lol, Sonoran hot dog has grilled onion, under the guacamole, and its delicious.
Grilled or raw, I'd do both if they're an option. Some of you live weird fudging lives, onion and mustard is all a good hot dog needs.
(chili never hurts either but onions are the tip of the mf'ing spear)
Ok you sold me. In.
And also yes, withholding that content as dlc was whack.
I just put slices of avo on my bun, and then the hot dog on it. Then siracha kewpie on top. :D
100% agreed. This decision along with Leviathan basically ripped the foundations of the game apart to sell it as "DLC". It was a exceedingly stupid decision purely done out of corporate greed and the final product suffered greatly for it and still continues to for the majority of people who look back on the franchise.
Now that's not to say ME3 is a masterpiece with that DLC, but it would've helped the game a great deal to have included them in the base experience.
The multiplayer however, THAT was a masterpiece.
Now that's not to say ME3 is a masterpiece with that DLC, but it would've helped the game a great deal to have included them in the base experience.
The multiplayer however, THAT was a masterpiece.
I'm so fucking hungry thanks to this thread and I had no idea it'd be this way when I clicked on it.
Yes, as people pointed out, Javik was 100% a part of the main story in the original leaks and datamines of ME3. He was going to be, like, mandatory to take to Thessia and Kai Leng would kidnap him to take back to the Cerberus base, not that dorky Prothean VI.
Remember also that his conversations on the Normandy are also almost the only ones in the entire game that even really hint at the idea of "the conflict" being about organics vs. synthetics - the only other one is that defeated Reaper on Rannoch where it's easy to read it as it just taunting you about your prospects of reconciling the geth and quarians to help in the war effort rather than the overall Reaper motivations. So if you don't have Javik, or any other DLC, the star child's randomly going on about how the whole plot of the series was actually about robots vs animals seems to come out of fucking nowhere.
Remember also that his conversations on the Normandy are also almost the only ones in the entire game that even really hint at the idea of "the conflict" being about organics vs. synthetics - the only other one is that defeated Reaper on Rannoch where it's easy to read it as it just taunting you about your prospects of reconciling the geth and quarians to help in the war effort rather than the overall Reaper motivations. So if you don't have Javik, or any other DLC, the star child's randomly going on about how the whole plot of the series was actually about robots vs animals seems to come out of fucking nowhere.
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This was kind of the flavor of the month around that time though, there are a ton of developers that did it but EA probably did it in the most egregious ways.
Dead Space 3's Awakened DLC was pretty fucking important and was basically a paid epilogue.
Mass Effect as a series in general had a whole bunch of important bits chopped off and sold as DLC though. Leviathan was already mentioned but was possibly even more relevant than Javik.
This was kind of the flavor of the month around that time though, there are a ton of developers that did it but EA probably did it in the most egregious ways.
Dead Space 3's Awakened DLC was pretty fucking important and was basically a paid epilogue.
Mass Effect as a series in general had a whole bunch of important bits chopped off and sold as DLC though. Leviathan was already mentioned but was possibly even more relevant than Javik.
Let's not forget that amazing ME3 MP!
but yeah, Javik added a LOT to ME3
Reflecting on Mass Effect 3, it's absolutely crazy to me that EA originally wanted it out for holiday 2011.
IIRC a companion needed to be cut for the game to meet its release date. The VS, Tali, Liara, and Garrus obviously could be cut for DLC. Vega couldn't because he existed to be an exposition bot for new players. EDI couldn't because she's a member of the cast anyway. That left Javik. I don't even like Bioware anymore, but I don't see what else they could've done short of delaying the game again. I guess you could go super cynical and say that the devs were just lying. But given how turbulent the game's development was and how Bioware games have always clearly had cut content I see no reason to not believe them.
But he was there on release day... they just decided to charge an extra 10 dollars for having a companion that's insanely important.
I'm pretty sure that first one has sauerkraut on it under the mustard, not onions.
Sauerkraut and mustard is fantastic on sausage.
Sauerkraut and mustard is fantastic on sausage.
rofl, I remember that from Dragon Age. The jerk in your camp who wants real life money to go solve his problem. It's almost kind of funny as a gag, like something in the Onion.
I went into Mass Effect 3 thinking: "whatever, people like to bitch about dlc. I'm sure it's fine." But it most definitely was not! Also, at least on the origin store, that shit NEVER went on sale. I had From Ashes, but I never got to play the big leviathan lore dump.
Oh, I love me some guac. Just not on a hot dog. That's like dipping your steak in mustard. Wrong time, wrong place.
Yeah, the argument could've been made for why he wasn't on the disc due to printing deadlines, but there was no reason why people had to buy a $70 collectors edition (that I bought, but I got it for $60 so I didn't complain) to get him included in the box.
I don't disagree that putting a price tag on the DLC was a bad move. But the common narrative is that Javik was purposely cut to sell as DLC later on and there's just no evidence of that. It's not unusual for that sort of content to be partly finished during development and ultimately finished after the game has gone gold. The same happened with Shale in Origins.
Mass Effect 3 was the first and last CE I ever bought lmao. What a gut punch that was.
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Not even close
I'll never forget beating the game and then getting that screen with what seemed like a heartfelt message at first l only for ot to end in telling me to buy some DLC, like damn, no shame.
But yeah the Javik fiasco was ridiculous, I didn't buy it, fuck them. Still waiting one day for a version with all the DLC included.
But yeah the Javik fiasco was ridiculous, I didn't buy it, fuck them. Still waiting one day for a version with all the DLC included.
Despite platinuming Mass Effect 3, I have yet to see the new patched ending nor the Leviathan DLC, as I stopped playing before they even were released.
I'm looking forward to watching Alex Navarro play the game so I can finally see how EA rectified the game's story.
I'm looking forward to watching Alex Navarro play the game so I can finally see how EA rectified the game's story.
How dare you slander our lord and savior Marauder Shields ?
it helps explain the entire ending of the trilogy. I'd consider that more than just extra story. Still a shit ending but at least you aren't left going "What the fuck was that?".
I agree Javik is an essential part of the game though.
My favorite part of the revised ending is that they removed something that I thought I was the only person to notice. When the Normandy is outracing the shockwave, there's a short closeup shot of Joker turning around to look at it. Okay, think about that again: Joker is at the front of a like 500 foot long spaceship and he turns around and looks at the door out of the cockpit and into the bridge and CIC as if he can see the shockwave behind the ship, like he's in a car and there's a window right behind him.
I don't remember if they changed Joker's hat wires.
Yeah, technically he wasn't cut from the game for DLC, but the data mined script from the demo showed that he was originally a vital element of the game. Could the writing changes have been influenced by DLC plans? Perhaps, but aside from Virmire 2.0 that was a bit too on the nose, his involvement was the better glue for the story. I mean, iirc:
*Virmire survivor is attached to Cereal Killer as part of an effort to uncover and transport an important Prothrean find, including Javik.
*Cereal Killer's influence is what made the V.S. initially hostile to Shepard, rather than solely some ass pulls about his death and Cerberus
*Each location has a clearer goal in the larger fight because of Javik. It gave more of an agency than some half
*His views were important in understanding the overall conflict and where things have gone wrong and failed on their end. In some ways, he was the ghostly echoing voice of that of the Reapers from their last cull.
It's actually an excellent piece of DLC. Almost has a detective, paranormal vibe to it. I just hated how it was cut from the game.
Agreed, appalling. One day I hope to get to play the trilogy again with the DLC but EA made such a shit show out of the whole thing.
I could be tempted if they put out a remaster with all three games and all dlc.
Yes there was. He was not free when you bought the game, unless you bought a specific more expensive edition that ran out before launch.
I rolled a natural 20, and I spot you so hard you disappear for real this time.
I was planning on doing a replay of the trilogy and see they still charge full price for the DLC. Fucking EA.
It was a travesty, Javik is not only a great addition from a lore perspective, but he's fucking hilarious in almost every scenario.
so much so that I 100% believe that they should change the squad limit from 2 to 3 so Javik can be in your squad at all times.
so much so that I 100% believe that they should change the squad limit from 2 to 3 so Javik can be in your squad at all times.