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Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
- Thread starter Neoxon
- Start date
- Entertainment Comics OT
One main timeline for multiple universe timelines is the common theory.
I think someone else already beat him to it and the entire TVA is unaware
I mean... they don't have to seem sinister to be villains. Almost no one actually believes themselves to be a villain, so the actual metric is about the effect actions have, not what their personality seems like. And the effects of everything the TVA does ranges from outright fucked to questionable (and unverified). Lots of government organizations, religious organizations, etc. have people that believe they're helping people at the top while actually they're doing awful things. It really seems like you're putting way too much stock in presentation and not content.
I agree about Mobius, but not about Ravonna. Ravonna is sus as hell. The way she talks about the Time Keepers doesn't seem like trustworthy information. She also ran Loki's joke of a "trial".
Their own propaganda video suggests that people becomes variants without time travel happening. I'm not too worried about the mechanics of exactly how that all works, personally; we're only 33% of the way into the show, and our source of information is obviously untrustworthy. (And none of that would justify the kidnapping and sham trials and executions).
Pointless Whining:
That 2050 not-Walmart was the cheapest I've ever seen a MCU anything look. Like, a superstore in 2050 can look like junk (Idiocracy) but they made no attempt to set dress it as being 30 years in the future. Obviously all the merchandise was just 2020 products with 2020 labels, but even the big signs on the ceiling had stuff like a wired video game controller. They clearly took a set/location from some other production and changed nothing. This show has such cool, creative sets and yet they didn't try anything with this one. It was some cheap Netflix-esce shit.
That 2050 not-Walmart was the cheapest I've ever seen a MCU anything look. Like, a superstore in 2050 can look like junk (Idiocracy) but they made no attempt to set dress it as being 30 years in the future. Obviously all the merchandise was just 2020 products with 2020 labels, but even the big signs on the ceiling had stuff like a wired video game controller. They clearly took a set/location from some other production and changed nothing. This show has such cool, creative sets and yet they didn't try anything with this one. It was some cheap Netflix-esce shit.
You're saying that Roxxon wouldn't cut corners and leave their stores stocked with 30 year old products?
It sucks that it took you out of the show. I didn't really notice, it's a store that's being used as a shelter, wacky future products would detract from what the scene was supposed to be about and I was focused on other stuff. That huge arm and hammer sign was a bit weird though.
I wonder if the TVA is hidden within the Quantum Realm. Mobius' saying that time works differently reminds me of Ant Man saying that time worked differently in the quantum realm in Endgame
Then throw Kang being the villain in the next Ant Man film and the theory he could the Renslayer's agent on the side
Then throw Kang being the villain in the next Ant Man film and the theory he could the Renslayer's agent on the side
Oooh I really like that theory. To add to it, Mobius was talking about life being chaos and Ant Man was telling Cap and Nat that if they could control the chaos they could navigate the Quantum Realm and move through time. So the TVA being there makes sense if that's how they're getting around to different timelines.
With Ravonna there I am absolutely expecting Kang and/or Immortus to show up.
I'm expecting all the Time Keepers to already be dead and this beureaucratic ruse is either meant to keep people in-line, or a panicked attempt by upper management to figure out what the fuck they're supposed to do until someone can think of a better plan.
Yeah i think they're dead, or if not they will die immediately like Akuma killing Bison.
I quite like the idea that Kang is one of the three Time Keepers and he killed the other two so that he could rewrite the future according to his own will and Ravonna is working for him and ensuring the TVA never finds out.
That way, the TVA aren't actually bad guys and Loki can take over the organisation while his other self, Lady Loki, no longer needs to run and can create a new life for herself as Enchantress in any universe she chooses (and obviously she'd choose Loki's because who wouldn't want Enchantress running around in Thor 5 messing with Thor's head?).
We get more seasons of Loki, Lady Loki lives on as Enchantress in the main MCU and the multiverse is opened up to all sorts of chaotic madness. Everyone wins.
Reset bombs erase branching timelines from the main one.
Lady Loki teleported them to different places in different points in time, thus creating branching timelines. Somehow!
The abducted girl was saying she revealed the location of the time keepers to Lady Loki.
I like the "everyone at the TVA is a robot" theory. Also in the comics the time keepers are seemingly created in the future and thus have the TVA preserve the timeline in which they get created. I can see something like that happening where the time keepers don't exist yet. Something happens where the timeline is screwed and they will never exist, meaning the future multiversal war doesn't have a definitive conclusion which will lead into the next main Marvel arc.
God this show is so so so so so soooo good. One of the best things the MCU has ever done. The sets, the acting, the music, owen fucking wilson.
Loki gonna be pissed.
The MCU version is vastly different than the actual origin of the God, so it should be easy to avoid being taken down. Just base it on the original Loki and avoid any reference to the MCU Loki. Like starting with not having dark hair and wearing green leather. But I'm going to assume people are making merchandise directly based on the MCU version.
Well yeah, I think it's very possible that the TVA could be another villain organization, but not really because of anything we've seen them do. The interaction between Ravonna and Mobius didn't get me thinking she's suspicious either. I agreed with what she was saying to Mobius when he was asking permission to take Loki on the 2050 mission. And I got that the variants themselves aren't time travelers. 2012 Loki is the variant, but he had the opportunity to become a variant because of the actions of time travelers. That's what I mean is that time travel is involved in becoming a variant.
I feel like they are long gone, but Kang is actually secretly in charge. He's pruning the timelines so he can achieve dominance.
I didn't mind it so much. It was refreshingly... normal. Loki having scenes set in 2050 where we're fundamentally no different to how we are now is far more reasonable and believable than Blade Runner being set in 2019 with flying cars and androids that are indistinguishable from humans.
Counterpoint, it's Alabama so it be closer to 2025 in tech
I was loving how it felt like such a silly Mindhunter episode. It was obviously going for the buddy cop vibe in general, but you're right about it looking like Fincher's stuff.
Going back to this for reals this time, what's the over/under on MCU Lady Loki actually using the moniker Enchantress at all. I honestly doubt it'll be a thing myself, right now it comes off more like the name "Sylvie" is an Easter egg than anything of weight.
It was something we discussed here shortly after the second episode aired. The general consensus was that she's blonde and uses a completely unique type of magic than Loki, one that allows her to possess or entrance others, which is more in line with what Enchantress would do and she clearly doesn't like to be called Loki. Why that is, we can probably guess.
So if she were to give herself a new name, a fresh start if you will, then Enchantress would probably be it.
The variants they showed:
This was such a Rick & Morty moment
I mean agent of Asgard did the multiple Loki thing years before Rick &Morty existed
THIS SHOW IS SO FREAKING GOOD MAN! It's not what I expected at all but the swag it exudes is palpable from the first few minutes.
I'm finding the show sort of "meh" at the moment. I think Hiddleston is doing wonderfully as Loki, but I feel so uninvolved and--admittedly--lost with the story. It feels like you have to be well-versed in the MCU lore to this point to understand the impact Lady Loki (does she have an actual name?) has on creating all these timelines and why Loki now wants control of the TVA.
Then you have the whole overarching narrative that is (or isn't) influenced by Loki's meddling.
I don't know, it just seems like a show that is carrying a lot of weight while also laying the groundwork for the new phase.
Then you have the whole overarching narrative that is (or isn't) influenced by Loki's meddling.
I don't know, it just seems like a show that is carrying a lot of weight while also laying the groundwork for the new phase.
From my perspective at least, we still don't "understand" the impact. We don't even know exactly what all has happened. I personally think that's the appeal of shows like Loki and WandaVision...the mystery of what's to come. Sometimes, the point of a story is to NOT know, in the moment, what exactly is going on.
As for why Loki wants to control the TVA, that's not explicitly clear either other than the fact that it's simply in his nature to try and grasp at power wherever and however he can get it.
I've mentioned it before but it's interesting that all three Disney+ shows so far have had major characters mostly hidden in the previews and marketing--the twins in Wandavision, John Walker in Falcon & Winter Soldier, and now her in Loki.
It's almost like it's a Dark ploy by marketing to make up for the lack of an Avengers film.
You are confusing yourself more by assuming that everything you don't understand is just references that you don't know.
There is connected lore to Loki's story in the MCU, but if you've seen The Avengers, Infinity War, and Endgame, you should know enough. Even the Thor trilogy is basically covered in the show what you need to know without watching those movies.
It's a pretty straight forward mystery/detective premise with the show presenting the multiverse by both explaining all of how it works, and at the same time, being intentionally vague about the "why" of why it works the way it does or what Loki and his variants have to do with any of it besides doing something that doesn't fit with the sacred timeline. They latter I'm pretty sure we will get answers to.
If I had to guess from the themes the show laid out in the first episode, Loki represents chaos and the TVA represents order, or free will versus determinism. Loki is asking the question of whether any of them have free will and why the TVA gets to decide what is meant to happen in the sacred timeline. Lady Loki may be asking herself the same questions, and since it seems like they are both angling to maybe take over the TVA to have that power to themselves, or prevent the TVA from having that control, they have their own missions about unraveling and undoing the grip that the TVA has over deciding how time is supposed to play itself out.