Avengers are supposed to grab the tesseract from 2012 timeline and leave, later returning the tesseract to 2012 timeline again after they're finished. Loki escape is the one messing things up according to TVA
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Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
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Optics of that might look weird, especially coming after Wandavision.
I think we're going to be dealing with more than two Lokis.
If you folks think the time shenanigans in this are crazy, wait until you watch The Langoliers.
Evil loki could have been doing things for a while and be a bit more accomplished than anything our Loki has done
I love Greg Egan but haven't read this one. What's it called?
While i very much enjoyed this it is getting insanely ridiculous how they are inventing just new layers of ultimate power to the point of irrelevance. Nothing will ultimately matter just like Loki realizing they use infinity stones as paper weights.
Thank you!! For the life of me I could not place where I knew her from.
This was amazing. I would have definitely binged if they dropped them all at once lol. And I rarely binge shows.
So what are the TVA agents supposed to be? Casey apparently never leaves his job so he never eats or sleep? They don't seem to have super powers since a fire was able to kill them.
Hopefully their origins are explained in the series and also than thing about robots too.
Hopefully their origins are explained in the series and also than thing about robots too.
I'm getting the exact same vibes with this as I did with WandaVision. The first few episodes of WandaVision had me feeling indifferent, but still curious as to where it was all going. Eventually I ended up getting hooked and loved it. Hoping the same happens with Loki but right now I wasn't super into that first episode.
Ok new theory, evil Loki somehow found out about their death at the hands of Thanos and is doing whatever they can do prevent it..which also involves somehow making 2012 loki escapewith the Tesseract.
The 2012 loki having to face "evil loki" is essential him fighting against his old ways..a bit on the nose here but essentially his character growth.
The 2012 loki having to face "evil loki" is essential him fighting against his old ways..a bit on the nose here but essentially his character growth.
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I really wasn't as confused by questions like "why didn't they go after steve, then?" as lots of people in this topic seem to be.
The TVA exists outside of time. They know what has happened and what is going to happen. They aren't surprised by Thanos, or the Avengers, or Steve Rodgers any more than you're surprised that when you open a door in your house your bathroom is on the other side.
They have the complete picture of the completely timeline. And in their complete picture, the avengers were supposed to do what they did. Loki was not supposed to do what he did. They aren't there to stop bad things like Thanos from happening. They are there to keep all events happening in the way they have foreseen. Things happening "correctly". So for anything they DIDNT correct, like Steve Rodgers, that obviously means that event wasn't a variant. That's it.
Now... are they being honest? Are they as infallible as they claim? Do they have a secret motivation for wanting to preserve a single timeline? Is all as it seems?
These are all questions the show may delve into. But the text of episode 1, as the TVA is presented to us now, is very clear cut in my opinion.
The TVA exists outside of time. They know what has happened and what is going to happen. They aren't surprised by Thanos, or the Avengers, or Steve Rodgers any more than you're surprised that when you open a door in your house your bathroom is on the other side.
They have the complete picture of the completely timeline. And in their complete picture, the avengers were supposed to do what they did. Loki was not supposed to do what he did. They aren't there to stop bad things like Thanos from happening. They are there to keep all events happening in the way they have foreseen. Things happening "correctly". So for anything they DIDNT correct, like Steve Rodgers, that obviously means that event wasn't a variant. That's it.
Now... are they being honest? Are they as infallible as they claim? Do they have a secret motivation for wanting to preserve a single timeline? Is all as it seems?
These are all questions the show may delve into. But the text of episode 1, as the TVA is presented to us now, is very clear cut in my opinion.
Another nitpick, DB Cooper jumped at night :p
I adored this, digging them exploring Loki's psyche and stuff. The absolute look of being crushed when he realized that the infinity stones were paperweights here wow.
I adored this, digging them exploring Loki's psyche and stuff. The absolute look of being crushed when he realized that the infinity stones were paperweights here wow.
Whens kid loki
That was a good scene, but I would also argue it looked like...revelation? I dunno maybe I'm reading to far into it, but it felt like he got an idea in that moment.
They could easily argue that in the MCU's reality, it happened in the day time.
Started off really good and since Wanda is gonna cause things to go crazy maybe we'll get a Loki cameo in dr strange 2?
Steve probably knew not to mess with time when he decided to live with Peggy after what Stark said "you mess with time it tends to mess back" so Steve was
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Steve probably knew not to mess with time when he decided to live with Peggy after what Stark said "you mess with time it tends to mess back" so Steve was
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This, more than the previous Marvel shows feels like it could sustain multiple seasons of content. I hope it does.
Now after seeing a few reviews from viewers on YT; MANY of them are super super bothered by the fact that not all time travel is prohibited; I.E. "Why didn't the TVA arrest the Avengers in Endgame" stuff.
They explained this just fine in the episode in my view, but if this many people feel unsatisfied or if they missed it, that's kind of a missed opportunity IMO. I don't really understand why so many have that takeaway. I understand feeling that its arbitrary to a degree, I think that's intentional because the TVA I expect won't be as righteous as they claim to be in the end though.
They explained this just fine in the episode in my view, but if this many people feel unsatisfied or if they missed it, that's kind of a missed opportunity IMO. I don't really understand why so many have that takeaway. I understand feeling that its arbitrary to a degree, I think that's intentional because the TVA I expect won't be as righteous as they claim to be in the end though.
I will always defend this, that shit was cool as fuck even with the shitty CGI.
Yeah I think of it as the TVA being cops. That they don't really have as airtight reasons that they claim to. We'll see
One of my guilty pleasure movies. I just love time travel. A LOT considering I love that movie. Chained Chomps on Meth eating up past.
I'm guessing that the two Loki's we know about are actually the same Loki just at different times. And at some point during the series, we're going to see how Loki becomes the Loki that's causing them problems and see a bunch of scenes we've already seen from a new perspective. And that the TVA actually created their own problem by nabbing him in the first place.
Assuming that's actually Loki. They never showed his face, Mobius could be lying.
In any case, I love how TVA just nonchalantly introduces powers and entities that make the infinity stones look like candy. Rolling out the red carpet for villains like Galactus.
One scene that I don't think is getting much attention is the final one but before Variant Loki burns the Minutemen down. They report to what one quickly guesses is a time traveler setting themselves up for the future, and his immediate response is "eh, prune it before we have to write up paperwork."
The TVA is bullshit. They're bureaucratic beyond absurdity and their standards are both super-strict and yet flexible enough to be arbitrary bordering on hypocritical - it honestly wouldn't even surprise me if Endgame Steve was "part of the plan" somehow. And I'm pretty sure that bullshit is intentional, and not in a "roll with it so we don't have to explain it" kind of way. They are not a noble organization, and even if they aren't straight-up evil it's still unnerving seeing the TVA so above and beyond what the MCU has shown so far with seemingly no one else above them. Like, the entire Infinity Saga revolved around the awesome universal might of the Infinity Stones and yet the TVA offices pass them around like cubicle swag, and one of them's got like 15 in his fucking desk.
Just jumping on it now, but I'm totally down with the theory that the TVA is going to end up severely weakened or even destroyed as a result of some amount of Loki burning-to-the-ground, which in turn opens up the MCU multiverse, something that What If, NWH, and MoM will all pick up on.
Modified human clones who live in a space outside of time that doesn't obey the normal flow so they're ageless. In the comics the Casey equivelents don't even get faces and all the middle managers are clones of the same person
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Marvel's Loki is the show that fans have been waiting for
Centred on Tom Hiddleston's devilishly charismatic villain, the franchise's latest foray into TV skilfully bridges the gap between the inventive and the familiar, writes Stephen Kelly.
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"The ending of episode two is fairly shocking, and will likely result in some of the most perverse fan fiction the internet has ever seen."
which means
1) the writer is a noob at how much perverse fan fiction is out there and probably never searched for Supernatural fanfiction
2) it basically confirms the big bad is Lady Loki
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Yeah you can definitely see it. The end with them avoiding paperwork, the lack of "nobility" by straight up killing people for not having a ticket. The super obvious propaganda playing on the TV. I also get the feeling the reset devices are.. Uhh.. maybe not super moral, in the cartoon the animation showed the deviated timeline just abruptly being brought to an end. Not merging back or diverting, just being cut off.
I really wonder what happens to the people, or whatever after they are left behind. The agents certainly seem to never want to be around when those things go off. They always leave first. I dunno man.
Oh yeah, for sure. I'm just saying "we prevent what isn't supposed to happen and we allow what is supposed to happen" is be definition a completely airtight explanation in every single way. Because you can claim that anything you didn't prevent... was just supposed to happen. Like Endgame's time travel and Steve peacing-out back in time. If the TVA doesn't fix it they can just say "yes this is part of the correct timeline" :P
Again, it sure seems like they're full of shit. But I'm just arguing that there's no plothole or double-standard for why Loki was picked up but not Tony Stark.
An aside - Someone a couple pages back was talking about how Loki taking the tesseract had an immediate ripple, causing the avengers to travel back further to the military base. And asking why the TVA didn't prevent that, which was caused by the Loki variant, but they did stop the Loki variant itself. I believe this is also answered in the text of Episode 1. We see they have devices to monitor the "divergence" in the timeline. And that they aren't concerned when it's small - they only care when it's a big divergence, and approaches or crosses the "Red line."
Loki taking the tesseract is a huge divergence. The Avengers borrowing (then returning) the tesseract is not. That timeline ripple righted itself.
Mobius said something about Loki being born to be an obstacle for others to overcome and become better versions of themselves in the process. Maybe the other Loki is trying to make a better version of himself.
Dr. Strange is probably a TVA agent of some kind, so I've got to imagine having him on the roster of the Avengers keeps most things in check (I mean, he was the one who saw the 'only outcome', so my guess is there were probably others that he didn't mention as they'd deviate too far away).
