I was glad the show didn't chicken out of having the two Lokis kiss. I was sure there was some executive somewhere at Disney who would say that was too far.
Only if it was two male or two female Lokis.
I was glad the show didn't chicken out of having the two Lokis kiss. I was sure there was some executive somewhere at Disney who would say that was too far.
Can it be assumed that Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans and RDJ are back on board for this Multiverse War when it happens? I am aware that they can just as easily be recast, but fans won't be satisfied if varients using the original actors aren't also present.
You are factually, 100% wrong. The show even told us this. My god.
If it helps you, there is a reason this Kang in particular is crazy because of how long he had to live alone (also, that's kind of Immortus personality in the comics), it's probable that when an actual Kang, The Conqueror appears, he will be all busisness.
maybe something like the mind horror from season 2 of Penny Dreadful. Dimension horror where reality is always changing is pretty terrifying.I'm honestly having more and more issues with imagining how MoM will be "a horror movie" at this point lol.
Yeah it's like the ending of Cabin in the Woods. You did the wrong thing but most would be pushed to do it in that situation.Yea if I'm Slyvie, I can confidently say I wouldn't be in the headspace to let Kang live
I bet they were the same people saying Classic Loki would be the big bad. I'd just bet.Exactly. Everytime I think we've hit a new rock bottom in comprehension someone comes along to disprove that theory.
The horror will come from Strange's slow descent into madness when he sees how much shit he's gonna have to deal with.
At this point he's the sole writer of the version that is being made. When Raimi came on board, Waldron worked with him to rewrite the script from scratch using only the previous scripts as a base foundation. Waldron is also working with Feige on his Star Wars project.I didn't know that Michael Waldron was one of the writers for Dr. Strange MoM.
Speaking of setting up things.
Do you think we'll have to wait for gotg3 for this
One possibility is there can be a ton of fake-outs. Various Kangs can show up, each one potentially framed as the one who will go the distance and become the last man standing. The biggest bad. Or the true threat to the next Avengers. But anything can happen to them including death.So if Kang is the next big bad in the MCU, how are they going to handle the idea of there being an infinite number of variants of him? Will one evil variant win out and crown himself the big baddie, or will future movies/shows deal with different Kang variants? I feel Kang isn't at threatening if there are countless versions of him running around.
You are factually, 100% wrong. The show even told us this. My god.
In my timeline, everything proceeded correctly, my entire life, until Thanos attacked our ship.
So, you didn't try to stab him?
( Chuckles ) Certainly not. Take no offense, my friends, but blades are worthless in the face of a Loki sorcery. They stunt our magical potential.
But they look awesome.
Oh, yes. Especially when they clatter to the ground just before your neck is snapped. I cast a projection of myself so real, even the Mad Titan believed it. Then hid as inanimate debris. After I faked my death, I simply drifted in space. Away from Thor, away from everything. Thought about the universe and my place in it, and it occurred to me that everywhere I went, only pain followed. So I removed myself from the equation, landed on a remote planet and stayed there in isolation, in solitude for a long, long time.
How did the TVA find you?
I got lonely. ( Chuckles ) To tell you the truth, I missed my brother, and I wondered if he missed me, if anybody else did. But as soon as I took my first steps to getting off the planet, the TVA arrived. Because we, my friends, have but one part to play, the God of Outcasts.
I would bet good money Jonathon Majors has a voice role somewhere...Coolest thing ever is the "What If" show isn't just a show...it's a consequence of this ending.
I mean I believe he's arguing that mainline Loki DIDN'T die when Thanos choked him and ALSO cast an illusion and hid on a planet for years. That's just demonstrably not true.
So that Rick and Morty episode from a few weeks ago?One possibility is there can be a ton of fake-outs. Various Kangs can show up, each one potentially framed as the one who will go the distance and become the last man standing. The biggest bad. Or the true threat to the next Avengers. But anything can happen to them including death.
Nothing stops the all-singing, all-dancing Kang Express.
So if Kang is the next big bad in the MCU, how are they going to handle the idea of there being an infinite number of variants of him? Will one evil variant win out and crown himself the big baddie, or will future movies/shows deal with different Kang variants? I feel Kang isn't at threatening if there are countless versions of him running around.
Of course YMMV, but I found Loki and Sylvie's character "arcs" in this show totally uninteresting. Loki basically had the exact same character development that he already had in the movies (going from a non-caring asshole / trickster to someone who genuinely cares) and Sylvie is essentially the same character the entire series.
Sure, Sylvie and Loki's bickering was occassionally fun to watch, but there really wasn't much of a character arc there IMO. I had a lot of issues with WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but at least they did have some interesting new character development, this just had Loki doing essentially the same thing he has been doing in the movies for six episodes.
The only new development I can think of is the reveal that Loki is bi, but that doesn't play any role in the series beyond the one time he mentions it.
I wonder if it will end with an "avengers" episode with all the variant heroes coming together to face cartoon Kang.I would bet good money Jonathon Majors has a voice role somewhere...
God is it August yet
I mean I believe he's arguing that mainline Loki DIDN'T die when Thanos choked him and ALSO cast an illusion and hid on a planet for years. That's just demonstrably not true.
I mean I believe he's arguing that mainline Loki DIDN'T die when Thanos choked him and ALSO cast an illusion and hid on a planet for years. That's just demonstrably not true.
Turns out Sylvie is just a Starlord variant.
Well yeah I think they've resurrected Loki in a much more satisfying way, don't know why they'd do any different.Ah, well, that's a Schrodinger's cat sort of situation - we can't know until they confirm otherwise. We know that Loki's "correct" path ends with his being killed by Thanos, but we also know it's possible for Loki to slip away at the last minute and hide forever, even from the TVA, up until the point he causes a nexus event.
Classic Loki isn't implied to be Mainline Loki, but there's no reason he couldn't pull the same stunt, y'know? It's just speculation. (But it'd ruin the sacrifice so I doubt they'll ever pull that thread.)
There will be some sort of culmination event as hinted at in the trailer... exciting times.I wonder if it will end with an "avengers" episode with all the variant heroes coming together to face cartoon Kang.
No? Why would it be?So is the theory rn that all the variants are humans taken during the snap? Just grab some people and don't send them back when the unsnap happens.
to be fair, this was arguably the hardest MCU act to follow...Exactly. Everytime I think we've hit a new rock bottom in comprehension someone comes along to disprove that theory.
So is the theory rn that all the variants are humans taken during the snap? Just grab some people and don't send them back when the unsnap happens.
So is the theory rn that all the variants are humans taken during the snap? Just grab some people and don't send them back when the unsnap happens.
So is the theory rn that all the variants are humans taken during the snap? Just grab some people and don't send them back when the unsnap happens.
So if Kang is the next big bad in the MCU, how are they going to handle the idea of there being an infinite number of variants of him? Will one evil variant win out and crown himself the big baddie, or will future movies/shows deal with different Kang variants? I feel Kang isn't at threatening if there are countless versions of him running around.
you are.
He never said anything about stabbing. He said he cast an illusion. MCU Loki didn't even think of this which is why the explanation from classic Loki was necessary.
No, he isn't. Classic Loki is shown several times (including his death scene, but also in the scene where the Lokis get into a brawl) to be MUCH more skilled at illusion than everyone else. Not just because he never uses daggers or physical weapons, but also because he is FAR older than everyone else! MCU Loki is a thousand years old and looks like he's in his thirties. Classic Loki looks like he's in his 70s. He's easily thousands of years older than every other variant.
Wrong again. The tape was the entire lifetime of MCU Loki and this was made clear. There was nothing else. The TVA would not have been fooled by an "illusion" because they had already pruned Classic Loki for the same stunt years ago.
You are factually, 100% wrong. The show even told us this. My god.
No it didn't. It classic Loki literally recaps the scene in IW, and tells us it was an illusion. My God.
You pretty much said everything I wanted to say LOLHOLY FUCK THEY DID IT, THEY NAILED THE ENDING
After WandaVision and Falcon I had to temper my expectations on expecting big villains/plot points to appear suddenly at the very end, even with the blatant Kang hints and references, but Loki said fuck all of that, here's Kang!!! Johnathan Majors with the drip!!! Also as a non-comic book reader, this episode greatly helped me picture how much of a threat Kang is, and I gotta say, it's pretty dope having what is seemingly the next big Marvel villain be black.
And I loved how they got around the worries about "wasting time" explaining everything about Kang's backstory and motivations by revealing that he is not the actual antagonistic (well, more antagonistic than this one) Kang we're going to see in future movies/Loki S2. This was essentially his origin story in a sense. There was no big fight, just a thorough explanation on why Kang exists, as well as what the cost will be if they decide to kill him. The episode was huuuuge on the exposition, but I was captivated the entire time, helps that Majors gave a great performance.
This is also BIG because now people can no longer deny that these Disney+ shows are absolutely just as important as the movies. We were getting a taste of that with the previous two shows, but Loki is by far the most important MCU content we've gotten since Phase 4 has begun. Like anyone that doesn't watch Loki is just straight up missing out on hugely important info. The amount of stuff it's setting up (and could setup since we're going full-blown multiverse) when you sit down and think about is truly mind-boggling, holy fuck
But plot aside, back to the Lokis. Loki's character development has been an absolute joy to witness. I like how, at least for me, there were some points during this episode where you're like Slyvie, wondering if Loki is really thinking about betraying Sylvie. But nope, he's actually genuinely concerned about the consequences of killing Kang, and only wants Slyvie to be okay. In the end, it's Slyvie, not Loki, who ends up fucking up massively (this dwarves what Starlord did by FAR), ironically by doing exactly what she said she was gonna do from the start. But it didn't provide her with any relief, she clearly feels empty despite having finally succeeded in her eons-long mission. Also their little scuffle they had was amusingly easily the best fight in the series as well I thought. Also despite being into their relationship, I was still taken aback at them actually kissing, crazy
As for Renslayer, where the hell did she go? Because Miss Minutes was following Kang's orders when she told Renslayer to leave, but he's dead now, so... Either way, not sure what's going to happen to this specific Renslayer, but I imagine this whole multiverse stuff will provide an easy to show a Renslayer from another timeline that has a more personal relationship to Kang that's closer to what the comics have done.
Overall, I stand by my opinion that this is easily the best MCU Disney+ show has done yet, and definitely the strongest finale so far. So, so glad that this is the one getting a 2nd season.
Yeah, for Classic Loki. Who's a variant. That was rather an important plot point...No it didn't. It classic Loki literally recaps the scene in IW, and tells us it was an illusion. My God.
I thought Renslayer was going to open the portal and then walk into that room where Kang, Loki, & Sylvie were. Since she didn't, it makes me wonder which version of Kang is her lover (if that is still a thing).HOLY FUCK THEY DID IT, THEY NAILED THE ENDING
After WandaVision and Falcon I had to temper my expectations on expecting big villains/plot points to appear suddenly at the very end, even with the blatant Kang hints and references, but Loki said fuck all of that, here's Kang!!! Johnathan Majors with the drip!!! Also as a non-comic book reader, this episode greatly helped me picture how much of a threat Kang is, and I gotta say, it's pretty dope having what is seemingly the next big Marvel villain be black.
And I loved how they got around the worries about "wasting time" explaining everything about Kang's backstory and motivations by revealing that he is not the actual antagonistic (well, more antagonistic than this one) Kang we're going to see in future movies/Loki S2. This was essentially his origin story in a sense. There was no big fight, just a thorough explanation on why Kang exists, as well as what the cost will be if they decide to kill him. The episode was huuuuge on the exposition, but I was captivated the entire time, helps that Majors gave a great performance.
This is also BIG because now people can no longer deny that these Disney+ shows are absolutely just as important as the movies. We were getting a taste of that with the previous two shows, but Loki is by far the most important MCU content we've gotten since Phase 4 has begun. Like anyone that doesn't watch Loki is just straight up missing out on hugely important info. The amount of stuff it's setting up (and could setup since we're going full-blown multiverse) when you sit down and think about is truly mind-boggling, holy fuck
But plot aside, back to the Lokis. Loki's character development has been an absolute joy to witness. I like how, at least for me, there were some points during this episode where you're like Slyvie, wondering if Loki is really thinking about betraying Sylvie. But nope, he's actually genuinely concerned about the consequences of killing Kang, and only wants Slyvie to be okay. In the end, it's Slyvie, not Loki, who ends up fucking up massively (this dwarves what Starlord did by FAR), ironically by doing exactly what she said she was gonna do from the start. But it didn't provide her with any relief, she clearly feels empty despite having finally succeeded in her eons-long mission. Also their little scuffle they had was amusingly easily the best fight in the series as well I thought. Also despite being into their relationship, I was still taken aback at them actually kissing, crazy
As for Renslayer, where the hell did she go? Because Miss Minutes was following Kang's orders when she told Renslayer to leave, but he's dead now, so... Either way, not sure what's going to happen to this specific Renslayer, but I imagine this whole multiverse stuff will provide an easy to show a Renslayer from another timeline that has a more personal relationship to Kang that's closer to what the comics have done.
Overall, I stand by my opinion that this is easily the best MCU Disney+ show has done yet, and definitely the strongest finale so far. So, so glad that this is the one getting a 2nd season.