I mean it does technically just takes more steps but unless they can escape they would eventually get killed by Alioth
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But something King Loki might use to his advantage in pruning other Loki's. Or could have created as a strategic advantage to begin with since he isn't the only magical being in the universe.
True, but I didn't think the poster meant it in that sense.
Revonna is also forced to respond to Sylvie pruning herself because its so shocking the Guards are unsettled by what they just saw and question how she could prune herself.
The Guards witnessed someone "delete themselves" from reality and that is shocking especially for a variant who has probably been on the run for a 1000 years.
The Guards witnessed someone "delete themselves" from reality and that is shocking especially for a variant who has probably been on the run for a 1000 years.
It's explicitly said several times in this episode that the TVA doesn't actually reset the timeline, they transfer the entire reality to the Void for consumption.
Read what i wrote again.
When a variant does something they're not supposed to (a nexus event), this creates a "branch" off of the sacred timeline. A branch isn't an entire reality yet- it's a lot more limited and localized. We can see "branches" arriving in the void during episode 5, they have a radius of a few hundred feet at best.
The white line is the sacred timeline. The orange splinters are branches to be pruned.
When the TVA arrives to prune the variant, they use a reset charge that dumps everything in the vicinity (the branch) into the void. When the branch is removed the timeline is "reset" back to the status quo of the sacred timeline, and the nexus event never happens. The timeline is "reset."
Read what i wrote again.
When a variant does something they're not supposed to (a nexus event), this creates a "branch" off of the sacred timeline. A branch isn't an entire reality yet- it's a lot more limited and localized. We can see "branches" arriving in the void during episode 5, they have a radius of a few hundred feet at best.
The white line is the sacred timeline. The orange splinters are branches to be pruned.
When the TVA arrives to prune the variant, they use a reset charge that dumps everything in the vicinity (the branch) into the void. When the branch is removed the timeline is "reset" back to the status quo of the sacred timeline, and the nexus event never happens. The timeline is "reset."
This explanation doesn't work for Sylvie or Old Loki. Their timelines were drastically different and they were allowed to exist up to a point. But we know the TVA isn't to be trusted.
Either their universes have different, parallel sacred timelines as well, or simply their variations on reality didn't threaten the TVA / guy behind the curtain until something very specific was registered as a "Nexus Event" (An event that specifically threatens the TVA / boss event / prime timeline).
it does.
This is exactly what it is, and this gets explained in episode 1. There are multiple universes, and each one of those has a single sacred timeline. We know the MCU exists in a multiverse already and don't have to take the TVA's word for it, this was stated very clearly in Dr. Strange.
Yes. It's that. There's still hundreds, if not thousands of valid timelines forming the strand of the sacred timeline, some of them potentially being vastly different. As long as no Nexus event is happening causing a huge timeline branch, the TVA has no issues.
I still don't see any evidence that there's multiple timelines in the MCU (or, I guess, more relevant here, that any of the characters we've seen originated from unique timelines rather than "branches" trimmed off of the Sacred Timeline).
The only "known" deviations that lasted more than a couple minutes are Old Lokis, which is sort of a Schrodinger's cat situation, and Sylvie's, which is still pretty much completely unexplained. "She's from another universe" is one explanation, but I don't see reason to jump to that when it could instead be "some low-impact nexus events can last for years."
The only "known" deviations that lasted more than a couple minutes are Old Lokis, which is sort of a Schrodinger's cat situation, and Sylvie's, which is still pretty much completely unexplained. "She's from another universe" is one explanation, but I don't see reason to jump to that when it could instead be "some low-impact nexus events can last for years."
Old Loki literally says that he feigned being dead and then lived isolated on a planet. So he didn't create a nexus event because he didn't interfere with the sacred timeline. He got caught when he tried to rejoin civilization.
I think a lot of the issue here is coming from confusion between "universe" and "timeline" they aren't the same thing. A universe is a reality. A timeline is a series of events within that reality.
There are multiple universes in the MCU that make up the "multiverse" and these universes can be VERY different. The Ancient One says this in Dr. Strange, and the TVA says the same thing in episode 1. That's not up for dispute.
Where the TVA comes in is that they only want events to end one specific way within each universe. That's a timeline. Any deviation from a series of events per UNIVERSE results in a branch (that could potentially splinter into a second timeline in that universe) and the TVA immediately comes to prune the branch as soon as it happens. A nexus event can't last "for years" because we see on screen that a branch rapidly grows toward a "danger zone" that the TVA can't stop if it's left alone for too long.
It's interesting that the title for Dr. Strange 2 is "Dr Strange *in the multiverse of madness*" implying that the TVA ceases to exist at the end of Loki, and branch realities resume growing unchecked "into a multiverse of madness."
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Yep the circumstances can be very different from one another but in every universe/reality with the TVA in it there's someone pulling the strings to maintain that one specific Sacred Timeline. And it could be any combination of other factors that would change what constitutes a Nexus Event in the context of that specific universe.
Hypothetically there's a Kang behind every TVA in every universe trying to make sure that Nathaniel Richards always becomes Kang in that universe, and what causes Nathaniel Richards to become Kang could be extremely different from universe to universe, so every "Sacred Timeline" could look very different in each reality but it's the one that's being manipulated into being the only timeline in that reality. So it's THE one Sacred Timeline but there are many different versions of it - that all end in the desired outcome to the person overseeing it.
Exactly. Or alternatively we could say that the original timeline war that took place before the creation of the TVA was between any number of variations of Kang. One of them (let's say, Immortus) won out and created the TVA to ensure that events that would result in the creation of Kang, Centurion, Rama Tut, whatever never occur. EVERY branch would need to be pruned to ensure the timelines of the universe don't result in the rise of Kang.
If Loki and Sylvie end up destroying the TVA as they intend, the result of that would be an explosion of variant timelines and the return of Kang, which we know is happening eventually.
I've interpreted the Ancient One's use of "universe" in the first Doctor Strange to be something more akin to "dimension" - which includes things like, say, the Dark Dimension, the Quantum Realm, the weird trippy realms that Strange visits when he gets knocked into his Astral form.
"You think that this material universe is all there is? What is real? What mysteries lie beyond the reach of your senses? At the root of existence, mind and matter meet. Thoughts shape reality. This universe is only one of an infinite number. Worlds without end. Some benevolent and life-giving; others filled with malice and hunger. Dark places, where powers older than time lie... ravenous... and waiting. Who are you in this vast Multiverse, Mr. Strange?"
Meanwhile, the spiel in episode one refers to TIMELINES - I don't think the multiversal war they're referring to includes things such as the Dark Dimension. It implies specifically that there were once many unique timelines, and there is now one single timeline, which does include multiple dimensions (naturally, the TVA itself is in one separate from our own) but doesn't include multiple parallel worlds caused by butterfly effects.
"Long ago, there was a vast multiversal war. Countless unique timelines battled each other for supremacy, nearly resulting in the total destruction of... well, everything. But then, the all-knowing Time-Keepers emerged, bringing peace by reorganizing the multiverse into a single timeline, the Sacred Timeline...Whatever it was, stepping off your path created a nexus event, which, left unchecked, could branch off into madness, leading to another multiversal war."
I can see an interpretation that says the multiverse wasn't destroyed, but instead just lined up like a box of pencils, but when the show has only ever shown "our" universe, I just don't see any evidence of that. There's no one visiting the Lamentis from Universe 73, there's no one saying "Loki from Reality X," there's no evidence that Sylvie was hiding in apocalypses from her home universe as opposed to the mainstream MCU. I think it just lines up that she's... our Loki, just born a girl and part of an unusually long nexus event, the circumstances of which haven't really been explained.
I hate Pops but that glow in the dark Strange is kinda neat
Man the replies to this are so nice and wholesome :)
Man the replies to this are so nice and wholesome :)
The Ancient One spoke about them like they are one in the same. "Now this may benefit your reality..." 2012 Ancient One speaking to astral Bruce, referring to his timeline/universe as opposed to the one he visited to obtain the time stone.
The quantum realm is not a universe, it's an area where all time and space break down and the rules no longer apply. The "dark dimension" is where Dormammu happens to be, and in the first Dr. Strange film they clarify that Dormammu has been taking over dimensions LIKE the one the MCU is in, which spreads the Dark Dimension further.
Don't know what to say here except I disagree. The narrative in both series makes it clear that multiple universes exist.
Watch episode 1 again:
MCU Loki is identified as Variant L1130 from Sector 1900-2099. "Sector 1900-2099" being the reality he's from.
Sylvie had a datapad and could have gone anywhere in reality the TVA can go.
and you would be wrong. Episode 2 explains that EVERY Loki is distinct. There's nothing special about MCU Loki.
and again- the TVA explained that they do not allow "unusually long nexus events" because branch realities rapidly approach a point of no return. This time period was shown to be as little as minutes during the series.
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I still think there is only a single timeline across all the universes based on the Loki's discussion of what their nexus event was. Our Loki mentioned they were all supposed to die by Thanos killing them and they all seemed to agree.
-Boastful got pruned because he killed Iron Man and Cap which meant Thanos wins.
-kid loki killed Thor, meaning Thanos wins.
-Sylvie wanted to be good, which changed the course of events of Thanos using loki to find the tesseract, meaning he finds it another way and he likely wins because the Avengers aren't formed by Lokis invasion of New York.
-old loki fulfilled his purpose but only deviated from the timeline when he wanted to go back to civilization and find Thor. If he continued to live in isolation it would be the same as if he died so that was ok. Not sure exactly how that impacts anything after Thanos is defeated though so something must threaten the big boss after Thanos by Loki getting back with Thor.
We don't know the others, but it seems to be that there is only a single timeline across all the multiverses where events play out essentially the same. So the big bad requires Thanos to snap and then lose for him/her to come into power. Eliminating Thanos is a key need of each multiverse.
-Boastful got pruned because he killed Iron Man and Cap which meant Thanos wins.
-kid loki killed Thor, meaning Thanos wins.
-Sylvie wanted to be good, which changed the course of events of Thanos using loki to find the tesseract, meaning he finds it another way and he likely wins because the Avengers aren't formed by Lokis invasion of New York.
-old loki fulfilled his purpose but only deviated from the timeline when he wanted to go back to civilization and find Thor. If he continued to live in isolation it would be the same as if he died so that was ok. Not sure exactly how that impacts anything after Thanos is defeated though so something must threaten the big boss after Thanos by Loki getting back with Thor.
We don't know the others, but it seems to be that there is only a single timeline across all the multiverses where events play out essentially the same. So the big bad requires Thanos to snap and then lose for him/her to come into power. Eliminating Thanos is a key need of each multiverse.
In Infinity War she spoke of "timelines" like the TVA does, not universes. The Avengers in Endgame were moving through time via the Quantum Realm, but not across universes. If Bruce took the gem, HIS timeline would benefit (because you can't change your own past through time travel that way, it's fixed) but taking the gems would create a splinter timeline in which disaster occurs because the infinity stone wasn't present. In essence, She's explaining that allowing Bruce to take the time stone would cause a Nexus Event, which are the things the TVA does not want.
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Multiple UNIVERSES were established in Dr. Strange. The possibility of Multiple TIMELINES get established in Endgame and The Ancient One is pretty adamant that she does not want to create those even though multiple universes are already a thing.
Bruce promising to bring the stones back at the point he took them after they get used would prevent the Nexus event since the stones never left, and no splinter timeline gets created.
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Finally caught up on episode discussion.
I'm of the mind that a Loki or a Moebius is the "man behind the curtain" regarding the TVA but where I think I differ is that the TVA is actively preventing Kang/Immortus/whatever from existing or at least coming to power, hence all the Kang imagery floating around the void. I lean more toward a Loki because that's sort of been the show. I'm more in the camp of there being multiple Moebius's that Renslayer has used as Agents in the "past" and the little bits of knowledge like the FDR pen, the cup rings, etc were just early clues to the variant nature of the TVA workers.
There's been plenty of foreshadowing that a Loki would want to overthrow the TVA and take it over and rule. It's conceivable that one of them would be successful. The question then would be "Overthrow who?" and that would be someone like a Kang/Immortus which calls back to the multiversal war. The void may be the remnants of the war combines with the pruned bits of various timelines. While Loki's magic doesn't work in the TVA it does work elsewhere and a King Loki could enchant/memory wipe any number of variants before bringing them to the TVA to build up the TVA once he gained control of the timeline.
What's interesting is Sylvie didn't get the actual moment B-15 was memory wiped which could have been a big break in her hunt for who runs the TVA (granted she didn't know the timekeepers were bullshit at this point).
Either way I'm loving the hell out of the series and I'm ready for whatever timey wimey bullshit explains things.
I'm of the mind that a Loki or a Moebius is the "man behind the curtain" regarding the TVA but where I think I differ is that the TVA is actively preventing Kang/Immortus/whatever from existing or at least coming to power, hence all the Kang imagery floating around the void. I lean more toward a Loki because that's sort of been the show. I'm more in the camp of there being multiple Moebius's that Renslayer has used as Agents in the "past" and the little bits of knowledge like the FDR pen, the cup rings, etc were just early clues to the variant nature of the TVA workers.
There's been plenty of foreshadowing that a Loki would want to overthrow the TVA and take it over and rule. It's conceivable that one of them would be successful. The question then would be "Overthrow who?" and that would be someone like a Kang/Immortus which calls back to the multiversal war. The void may be the remnants of the war combines with the pruned bits of various timelines. While Loki's magic doesn't work in the TVA it does work elsewhere and a King Loki could enchant/memory wipe any number of variants before bringing them to the TVA to build up the TVA once he gained control of the timeline.
What's interesting is Sylvie didn't get the actual moment B-15 was memory wiped which could have been a big break in her hunt for who runs the TVA (granted she didn't know the timekeepers were bullshit at this point).
Either way I'm loving the hell out of the series and I'm ready for whatever timey wimey bullshit explains things.
Ok, I wanna jump in and give my explanation as too how I think Sylvie and other vatsly diff looking Loki's could exist:
I think the TVA, and whomever is running the show,didnt intervine in this "timelines" because they were following the path the wanted it to follow, regardless of the gender or look of Loki. BUT, when they saw that the Loki variant or any other variant for that matter, wasnt doing what they expected or wanted it to do, it was catalogued as a "Nexus event", thus, they go in, prune the timeline, delete the variant, and essentially hit a reset button. THIS, essentially resets teh entire timeline back to the beggining, creates a new loki, or variant of whomever, and they can usher the timeline back to what they want it to be.
Essentially they are preventing "alternate" timelines that go against their plan to exist.In a way there isnt one unique Sacred Timeline, and more like, One Unique sacred plan for a timeline. and whenever the timeline doesnt go as they want it to go, they press CNTRL + Z (Or CMND + Z) and try again. Like and artist trying to write a book, but constantly deleting stuff and trying again.
Thats how I think the TVA sees the timeline.
I still believe the Timeline works in a quasi-altered-very twisted Schordinger's Cat way, where two possible events can lead to two diff timelines, just like Endgame explained it. but I believe this only happens in order to preventGrandfather or Bootstrap paradoxes. If the person (qhen timetravelling) in question ever changes, or doesnt do anything that would change the outcome of an event, no alternate timeline is created.
In the position that someone isnt timetravelling anyway, things happen at pretty much quantum random level, so what the TVA views as predetermined, isnt predetermined, at some point, someone or something is gonna do something they didnt expect, so they go, reset, and try again until they do what the TVA wants them to do
PS: If we take a page from comics, its possible the Multiverse of the MCU may be limited or gone, but the Omniverse is very much existent.
The Dark dimension may be a qquasi diff universe per se, but it still is affected by the stones, meaning it is still part of the MCU's reality/universe
I think the TVA, and whomever is running the show,didnt intervine in this "timelines" because they were following the path the wanted it to follow, regardless of the gender or look of Loki. BUT, when they saw that the Loki variant or any other variant for that matter, wasnt doing what they expected or wanted it to do, it was catalogued as a "Nexus event", thus, they go in, prune the timeline, delete the variant, and essentially hit a reset button. THIS, essentially resets teh entire timeline back to the beggining, creates a new loki, or variant of whomever, and they can usher the timeline back to what they want it to be.
Essentially they are preventing "alternate" timelines that go against their plan to exist.In a way there isnt one unique Sacred Timeline, and more like, One Unique sacred plan for a timeline. and whenever the timeline doesnt go as they want it to go, they press CNTRL + Z (Or CMND + Z) and try again. Like and artist trying to write a book, but constantly deleting stuff and trying again.
Thats how I think the TVA sees the timeline.
I still believe the Timeline works in a quasi-altered-very twisted Schordinger's Cat way, where two possible events can lead to two diff timelines, just like Endgame explained it. but I believe this only happens in order to preventGrandfather or Bootstrap paradoxes. If the person (qhen timetravelling) in question ever changes, or doesnt do anything that would change the outcome of an event, no alternate timeline is created.
In the position that someone isnt timetravelling anyway, things happen at pretty much quantum random level, so what the TVA views as predetermined, isnt predetermined, at some point, someone or something is gonna do something they didnt expect, so they go, reset, and try again until they do what the TVA wants them to do
PS: If we take a page from comics, its possible the Multiverse of the MCU may be limited or gone, but the Omniverse is very much existent.
The Dark dimension may be a qquasi diff universe per se, but it still is affected by the stones, meaning it is still part of the MCU's reality/universe
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I think you meant Endgame in your first sentences and she didn't say timeline, she said reality. She never refers to her hypothesized branched difference in events as a timeline. Bruce used 'timeline' and 'reality' interchangeably. If 'reality' and 'timeline' mean the same thing in this context, I don't see why 'universe' also doesn't.
edit: I saw the article you edited into your post, but even that article interchangeably uses the word multiverse when talking about timelines, which makes me think that a timeline there also just means an alternate universe.
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This seems the likeliest conclusion. Can Loki change? He will be offered the chance to become a ruler, the thing he has always wanted, his glorious purpose, his greatest vice.
Who will offer it? A Loki makes sense for sure as others pointed out, thematically him being his own worst enemy is the logical end point of this story. It will be the "strongest" Loki, one who has every power, every strength of all the other variants (ie. he can enchant, he can create huge illusions, etc). The downfall of the villain Loki will be very cliche....love haha
The quantum realm is not a universe, it's an area where all time and space break down and the rules no longer apply. The "dark dimension" is where Dormammu happens to be, and in the first Dr. Strange film they clarify that Dormammu has been taking over dimensions LIKE the one the MCU is in, which spreads the Dark Dimension further.
Don't know what to say here except I disagree. The narrative in both series makes it clear that multiple universes exist.
Watch episode 1 again:
MCU Loki is identified as Variant L1130 from Sector 1900-2099. "Sector 1900-2099" being the reality he's from.
Sylvie had a datapad and could have gone anywhere in reality the TVA can go.
and you would be wrong. Episode 2 explains that EVERY Loki is distinct. There's nothing special about MCU Loki.
I mean, a lot of this is drawing the bullseye around the arrow.
- "Sector 1900-2099" is clearly the sector of time he's from; i.e. between 1900AD and 2099AD. (Why they're using Earth dates, who knows; same reason they look like a 70s office building.)
- Sylvie has a datapad and can go anywhere the TVA can go. Whether that includes alternate universes or not is up to whether or not you believe there's alternate universe in existence. At no point does anyone mention going to anything other than the mainline universe or a branch of said universe.
- There's something fundamentally special about MCU Loki - he's on the Sacred Timeline. Every Loki is a Variant of that Loki. If they're not, they're their own thing. If Sylvie is "a Loki," it's because she's a Variant OF Loki, which is defined as someone that steps off the path a character is determined to be on.
"We're looking for a Loki. A variation of this guy. A type we should all be very familiar with, because the TVA has pruned a lotta these guys, almost more than any other Variant. And no two are alike. Slight differences in appearances, or not so slight. Different powers, although, powers, generally include shape-shifting, illusion-projection, and my favorite... duplication-casting."
"Now, the Time-Keepers protect and preserve the proper flow of time for everyone and everything. But sometimes, people like you veer off the path the Time-Keepers created. We call those Variants. Maybe you started an uprising, or were just late for work."
Again, I can see an interpretation of events that says that there are multiple Lokis across multiple universes across one timeline. But I just don't see any actual evidence in the text of the show that's not reading between the lines. And frankly, the idea sort of undermines the basic premise; if they're not versions of the same person, but different people from different, mostly-unrelated universes, why are they all called Lokis? It doesn't meet the definition of Variant we're provided with.
The trouble with the main character being Loki is that he's a magical shapechanger, so there's no reason to EVER assume wild shifts in appearance or power-level imply anything more than Loki wearing a different face. Mainline Loki could decide to be any of those other Lokis on a whim.
Here's where I would disagree. It's shown that every Loki inevitably self-sabotages and fails because they do not trust anyone. Getting past that (as MCU Loki and Sylvie do, and Classic Loki probably does) requires a certain level of emotional growth that takes Loki out of villain territory.
Or to put it another way, a loki that was competent enough to conquer all of time and space by definition wouldn't want to.
No it isn't, because both Thor is 1500 years old (established in Endgame) and Loki is 1000 years old (Established in Thor 2). Loki was born in 1000AD, not 1900 AD. And he "dies" in Infinity War which is a LONG time before the year 2099. "Sector" isn't meant to refer to a sector of time, otherwise "our" Loki would be from sector 1000AD-2018AD.
Everything else you've written is off base and ignores what's already established.
correct.
"reality" in those instances means "timeline" by default, because the Quantum realm only allowed movement through time, not between different universes. If they're talking about splinter realities (which was mentioned) then those are by definition splinter timelines, not totally different universes.
I don't know if a timelord Loki is necessarily a villain. If maintaining the Sacred Timeline prevents an evil like Kang or something worse happening as a result of a multiversal war this could be an altruistic but flawed motivation. As you put it, the ones most fit to rule are often the ones who don't want to.
But that might require more exposition than the show would be able to give it. I'm still convinced it's a loki with a Kang like figure after it mostly because a lot of the Kang imagery is in the void where things go to die.
What? He's "from" Sector 1900-2099 because he was taken "from" the year 2012, when the events of Avengers take place. There's literally no reason to assume they're grouping universes by sector - it's pure conjecture. Neither of us have anything to backup that assertion, but at least mine follows logically.
You're stating a lot of things as objective fact without providing any evidence beyond "trust me, I'm right." Why should I trust your interpretation? Give me quotes, written documents, word of god, some hard stuff.
I mean that was pretty much confirmed in episode 1 or 2 since Loki specifically pointed out that the TVA should be going after the Avengers rather than him since they're the ones who changed things. They simply replied something to the effect that it was the intended path of the Sacred Timeline.
Whoever is running the TVA is assumed to be villainous (at least by Loki's standards) because any time a Loki attempts to change himself into something other than a villain, that Loki is pruned because the "sacred timeline" has dictated that Loki must be a failure in order to inspire other, better people. That's his beef there.
Seems unnecessarily complicated to have a loki controlled by Kang instead of just having Kang. I mean- where would Kang be hiding? You're already at the end of all spacetime.
are you saying that in this franchise, sometimes when a character says reality they mean timeline, and sometimes when they say reality they mean universe? that makes things a little too convoluted. in my opinion it just makes more sense to believe the Avengers created alternate universes just by time traveling. I think of it this way:
In the main MCU: in 2012, the Avengers fight Loki and his Chitauri army and win.
In an alternate universe of the main MCU: in 2012, the Avengers fight Loki and his Chitauri army and win. Four Avengers from the future travel back into this year for their own mission, but because of their presence, they have created an alternate reality.
Why would I believe these two timelines are the same universe if events in these timelines are different? The timelines are different, therefore so are the universes.
If he faked his death then did literally anything else other than isolation and exile, I imagine that would have caused a nexus event right then and there. But much like fucking around during an apocalypse doesn't trigger a branch because nothing you do there matters, "doing nothing" when you're supposed to be dead would similarly not affect the timeline at all. I doubt the TVA registered an event on their sensors until he left his exile.
He became a variant the second he didn't die in the most literal sense, but the TVA probably defines variant as "author of a nexus event," which in of itself is likely defined by any actions that would branch the sacred timeline.
Protag Loki has legitimate beef no arguments there and I think that sets up an interesting conflict. I don't think a theoretical timelord loki is controlled by Kang, I think that loki would be preventing Kang's rise to power. So the conflict is then Protag Loki/Sylvie want to break free of this pre-determined fate as dictated by Timelord Loki, but in so doing would cause incalculable suffering by ensuring a Kang comes to power. I think it would be more interesting to have the real final conflict of the series be a philosophical argument than fisticuffs (because the fights haven't been the best while the writing's been really good).
Given the Qeng tower Kang or at least a Kang is probably in the void somewhere and the finale might provide the chance he needs to seize/reseize power.
Hmm, that's a good point. Kang imagery are not part of the Sacred Timeline. I wonder if (a variant of) Mobius or Loki being the true mastermind behind TVA is what is pushing Ravonna towards Kang once TVA is destroyed.
This is how the TVA told Loki it works.
That was revealed as a lie. In this most recent episode Selvie, Boastful Loki, and Ravonna all confirmed that what really happens is the entire branch reality is sent to void.
And Selvie has been saying this all along.
When Selvie was threatening Ravonna, Ravonna explained, "basically, a branch timeline isn't reset, it's transferred to a void at the end of time""
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This is debatable based on what we see of things arriving after pruning. The largest thing we saw arrive was a battleship. If entire universes were being dumped into the void, it'd be pretty much entirely covered in freshly pruned matter all the time.
I think between the explanations and what we've actually seen, the pruning only extends as far as the timeline changes. We've seen the pruning charges go off and it destroys things involved in the timeline branch, but the ground and things like that are not pruned, so it's clearly picky about what it prunes.
Part of why I really don't like this show is that too much of it is expositional and calls into question the events of previous installments in this franchise. Endgame is arguably the most important installment, and the newest storytelling concept (time travel) is a major factor of this tv show. Some of the questions I had from episode 2 onward are still muddy in the waters with both what we have seen, and what we have been told (through dialogue).
So something I was thinking about that kind of doesn't make sense are all of the other superhero variants that the TVA would go after, and how many of them would absolutely be able to rip right through the TVA and even Alioth.
I mean, we've seen Sylvie pretty much dismantle any TVA security solider she comes across, and she was able to take on Alioth successfully. A Scarlet Witch or Doctor Strange variant would absolutely be able to take on Alioth as well. Thanos variants would be able to smash those TVA soldiers with a single finger.
In fact I don't even know how the glow stick soldiers of the TVA would even be able to capture a Scarlet Witch or Doctor Strange variant - they would be completely outclassed.
I mean, we've seen Sylvie pretty much dismantle any TVA security solider she comes across, and she was able to take on Alioth successfully. A Scarlet Witch or Doctor Strange variant would absolutely be able to take on Alioth as well. Thanos variants would be able to smash those TVA soldiers with a single finger.
In fact I don't even know how the glow stick soldiers of the TVA would even be able to capture a Scarlet Witch or Doctor Strange variant - they would be completely outclassed.