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Oct 27, 2017
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I like Eternals more than most probably, but I don't think that most critics' issues were because of the diversity of the cast/crew. If the audience score was super low then I think you'd have more of a case but the audience score on RT is pretty high. Seems like critics has more of an issue with the writing and pacing than anything.

Wait, who is saying this? People can't stick with a narrative. Either critics are SJW and give film's passes because of representation or they're anti-woke and hate diversity. lol which is it?

If anything majority of critics are left leaning and liberal so people trying to push this angle about them doesn't hold water. Especially since Shang Chi, Black Panther, Cap. Marvel and Black Widow all have positive scores.
 

Aceun

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Oct 27, 2017
787
New Jersey
I like Eternals more than most probably, but I don't think that most critics' issues were because of the diversity of the cast/crew. If the audience score was super low then I think you'd have more of a case but the audience score on RT is pretty high. Seems like critics has more of an issue with the writing and pacing than anything.

Agreed. I think it's really the pacing. I think it's similar reasons to why people hate Age of Ultron. It seems like a bunch of pieces just strung together. I love both. AoU has the fun factor, but Eternals for me feels like it respects me as a viewer. It takes its time, it's subtle and the most human of the MCU movies.

It can feel like esoteric exposition, but for me it just feels like the movie takes its time to breathe in the moments that matter. Similar to AoU I think we'll look back and see all the pieces that have been laid out for future movies.
 

Bor Gullet

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,399
Agreed. I think it's really the pacing. I think it's similar reasons to why people hate Age of Ultron. It seems like a bunch of pieces just strung together. I love both. AoU has the fun factor, but Eternals for me feels like it respects me as a viewer. It takes its time, it's subtle and the most human of the MCU movies.

It can feel like esoteric exposition, but for me it just feels like the movie takes its time to breathe in the moments that matter. Similar to AoU I think we'll look back and see all the pieces that have been laid out for future movies.

I don't think it's a pacing issue, I think it's an exposition issue and the fact that sometimes the characters are rather muddled.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Throughout this thread people have been making claims that
Thanos was a mutated deviant from Titan, or an Eternal or something? Is this just a theory due to the drive he had for reducing the universe's population, or is it backed up by other evidence/comics? Does it have something to do with that one dude popping up post credits who is apparently Thanos' half brother (who looked human for some reason)? It seems unlikely that they would go with that angle since Thanos himself said his reasons for his mission was due to the universe's lack of resources, not due to wanting to prevent Celestials from emerging from planets.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Wait, who is saying this? People can't stick with a narrative. Either critics are SJW and give film's passes because of representation or they're anti-woke and hate diversity. lol which is it?

If anything majority of critics are left leaning and liberal so people trying to push this angle about them doesn't hold water. Especially since Shang Chi, Black Panther, Cap. Marvel and Black Widow all have positive scores.

There was a critic on Twitter and even some people here trying to make it seem that was the case, but by and large I don't think that narrative has taken hold, fortunately.

Agreed. I think it's really the pacing. I think it's similar reasons to why people hate Age of Ultron. It seems like a bunch of pieces just strung together. I love both. AoU has the fun factor, but Eternals for me feels like it respects me as a viewer. It takes its time, it's subtle and the most human of the MCU movies.

It can feel like esoteric exposition, but for me it just feels like the movie takes its time to breathe in the moments that matter. Similar to AoU I think we'll look back and see all the pieces that have been laid out for future movies.

Civil War, Ragnarok, and WandaVision definitely made me come around more on Ultron; I'm hoping to see that happen here too.
 

ceej

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Mar 9, 2021
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Reno, Nv.
Throughout this thread people have been making claims that
Thanos was a mutated deviant from Titan, or an Eternal or something? Is this just a theory due to the drive he had for reducing the universe's population, or is it backed up by other evidence/comics? Does it have something to do with that one dude popping up post credits who is apparently Thanos' half brother (who looked human for some reason)? It seems unlikely that they would go with that angle since Thanos himself said his reasons for his mission was due to the universe's lack of resources, not due to wanting to prevent Celestials from emerging from planets.

In Marvel comics lore, Starfox is another member of the Eternals – a genetically altered branch of humanity that left earth and settled on the Saturnian moon, Titan. Despite being raised alongside his brother, Thanos, Starfox developed a very different personality from the genocidal Mad-Titan. Instead of yearning for the Infinity Stones and pursuing a mission to exterminate half of all life, Starfox became a carefree adventurer – much more interested in seducing various characters across the Marvel universe and adventuring across the galaxy. In fact, this independent, daring streak is one of the character's hallmarks, explaining why – despite his regular liaisons with key members of The Avengers – he rarely remains in one place for long.

The reason why Thanos and Starfox look so different lies with their genealogy. Unlike Starfox, Thanos is afflicted by the Deviant Syndrome, giving him certain Deviant characteristics. This explains both his purple coloration, the deep lines on his chin, and his sizeable physique. Starfox, by contrast, retains the rest of the Eternals' more stereotypically human characteristics.

However, despite his connection with the Eternals' mortal enemies, Marvel has subsequently confirmed that Thanos himself is indeed a true Eternal. In Eternals #6 it is revealed that, though he is different from both the Eternals and other inhabitants of Titan, he still shares a strong connection with other members of the Eternals team, including his brother Starfox. Therefore, despite the clear differences between Josh Brolin's brooding, muscular onscreen portrayal of the Mad Titan and Harry Styles' more mischievous, youthful appearance, there are understandable reasons behind the contrasts.



As for that MCU will do with it, I'm not sure. I suspect they'll keep the deviant strain aspect as to why he was physically alterred , but basically make him like an eternal.
 

F2BBm3ga

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,083
Throughout this thread people have been making claims that
Thanos was a mutated deviant from Titan, or an Eternal or something? Is this just a theory due to the drive he had for reducing the universe's population, or is it backed up by other evidence/comics? Does it have something to do with that one dude popping up post credits who is apparently Thanos' half brother (who looked human for some reason)? It seems unlikely that they would go with that angle since Thanos himself said his reasons for his mission was due to the universe's lack of resources, not due to wanting to prevent Celestials from emerging from planets.
the way I saw it was, yes, while Thanos ultimately delayed the emergence with what he did, The fact that the avengers were able to snap everyone back basically was the thing that set off the emergence. Like, not the actual amount of people coming back, but the combination of that and their ability to do something like that showed humans reached the potential needed for the emergence.

and yes, thanos is an eternal, but it doesnt mean he did what he did because of the emergence, tho later it could be retconned that he did. It just so happens that what he did helped delay the emergence.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,520

In Marvel comics lore, Starfox is another member of the Eternals – a genetically altered branch of humanity that left earth and settled on the Saturnian moon, Titan. Despite being raised alongside his brother, Thanos, Starfox developed a very different personality from the genocidal Mad-Titan. Instead of yearning for the Infinity Stones and pursuing a mission to exterminate half of all life, Starfox became a carefree adventurer – much more interested in seducing various characters across the Marvel universe and adventuring across the galaxy. In fact, this independent, daring streak is one of the character's hallmarks, explaining why – despite his regular liaisons with key members of The Avengers – he rarely remains in one place for long.

The reason why Thanos and Starfox look so different lies with their genealogy. Unlike Starfox, Thanos is afflicted by the Deviant Syndrome, giving him certain Deviant characteristics. This explains both his purple coloration, the deep lines on his chin, and his sizeable physique. Starfox, by contrast, retains the rest of the Eternals' more stereotypically human characteristics.

However, despite his connection with the Eternals' mortal enemies, Marvel has subsequently confirmed that Thanos himself is indeed a true Eternal. In Eternals #6 it is revealed that, though he is different from both the Eternals and other inhabitants of Titan, he still shares a strong connection with other members of the Eternals team, including his brother Starfox. Therefore, despite the clear differences between Josh Brolin's brooding, muscular onscreen portrayal of the Mad Titan and Harry Styles' more mischievous, youthful appearance, there are understandable reasons behind the contrasts.



As for that MCU will do with it, I'm not sure. I suspect they'll keep the deviant strain aspect as to why he was physically alterred , but basically make him like an eternal.
To be clear, the Titan portrayed in the MCU is NOT Saturn's moon Titan...correct?
 
Funny thing about MCU Thanos' origin is that,

The ruins of Titan, and the reality stone vision of its past, could fit REALLY well with retconning in Thanos' comic book origin. Titan having been a colony created by Eternals. Thanos was born there and things got bad. Seems easy to have it that the Eternals didn't know how to build a society, did a shit job, and Thanos had sympathetic reasons to become obsessed with rebalancing civilization.
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
44,659
Interestingly, this trailer has Spider-Man in it.



Since it's for a MCU movie without Sony, I guess it's even more proof they're in real good terms


Every Latin American country pronouncing Spider-Man in Spanish: Spider-man.

Spain: Speederman

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noodlesoup

Member
Feb 21, 2018
2,281
Chicago, IL
yep, eternals is mid

the more i think about it, the worse it gets. it's a movie that bites off more than it can chew, where the characters and themes suffer in order for the next big threat to be built up and--as a result--the movie is unremarkable.

i'm kinda over marvel man
 

cognizant

Member
Dec 19, 2017
13,756
yep, eternals is mid

the more i think about it, the worse it gets. it's a movie that bites off more than it can chew, where the characters and themes suffer in order for the next big threat to be built up and--as a result--the movie becomes ultimately unremarkable.

i'm kinda over marvel man

The structure's pretty bad, there's just no sense of momentum or urgency, it just plods along at torturous pace.

I'm beginning to wonder if Feige's picking the wrong concepts for TV and movies. I.e - Eternals might have been better as a TV show and Falcon/Winter Soldier better as a movie. (I enjoyed the show, but I'm not sure its episode count is justified, and the Flagsmashers were crap too)
 

noodlesoup

Member
Feb 21, 2018
2,281
Chicago, IL
I'm so mad thinking about the final battle. How do you have these characters with the coolest abilities and put them in a final fight that is SO BLAND.

AAAAAAAAAAAA
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,520
I think I was most disappointed by the
super deviant. I was expecting it to absorb one more Eternal and evolve into a final form of sorts, revealing itself to be some key to the plot/maybe even join the team to stop the Celestial. But it was killed off JUST when it was becoming interesting.
 

Fj0823

Legendary Duelist
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Oct 25, 2017
26,663
Costa Rica
I think I was most disappointed by the
super deviant. I was expecting it to absorb one more Eternal and evolve into a final form of sorts, revealing itself to be some key to the plot/maybe even join the team to stop the Celestial. But it was killed off JUST when it was becoming interesting.

Oh fuck yes I hated him and how he just hijacked the climax.

That is one of the issues I have with it.
 

cognizant

Member
Dec 19, 2017
13,756
Can we talk more about how one of the Eternals just nopes out of the climax? Because I just can't with this character.

These characters are supposed to be heroes the viewer is meant to identify with and root for. This dude has powers that could help people, but chooses not to. Even though the Eternals are not allowed to impact humanity on a macro scale, by being an actor he's still affecting humanity in his own way. So the fact that he didn't actually use his powers to help people or fight crime like a friendly neighbourhood Kingo, makes him inherently selfish and unlikeable.

And to top it off he can't be arsed to stick around for the fight to save the planet. Then he appears again in the story's resolution like nothing happened.

What the fuck. How the fuck is Sony's Venom a more heroic character than this dude?
 

TCB

Member
Oct 19, 2019
721
Saw it. Enjoyed it. Surprisingly more than quite a few of the other Marvel movies to be honest. It has problems for sure, and you will notice them the more you think about it, but it felt unique and it was a bit more ambitious than say, Black Widow. Which I thought was incredibly dull.

I don't really get some of the criticisms either. For example, I liked the slower pace. While a greater sense of urgency probably would have helped heighten the tension, I appreciated that it gave room for the characters to breath. So much of the story is built around the moral conundrum of whether or not they should interfere. Sometimes interfering doesn't lead to the result you'd want (see Phastos). So I liked that so much of it was based around that, and the characters taking different stances based on their own experiences. It felt a bit more thoughtful and it reminded me of a prime directive Star Trek episode, lol.

I would have liked more time with some of the characters, but there was enough here that I enjoyed the cast overall. There's lots of time to develop them over the course of later films, so I don't see this as a huge problem. The dialog between them also sounded a lot more natural, and even the usual Marvel quips felt less obnoxious and more relaxed. Yes, there is a lot of exposition, but that felt necessary considering the scale of the movie, which takes place over thousands of years and deals with a creation myth.

I also keep hearing that the action was bad, but I thought it had creative camerawork and did a good job of showcasing each of their abilities and how they can work together. I loved the fight on the beach at the end where all of that comes together. I also thought they did a better job of conveying Superman's abilities than Zack Synder in Man of Steel.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
17,283
Midgar, With Love
Folks laughed at most if not all of the jokes, cheered, and just generally had a good time.

When I went to see The Rise of Skywalker, the audience I was in was nonstop adrenaline. They were in that movie. Had an absolute blast. These days, finding someone with half as much enthusiasm toward that flick - at least in my experience - is needle-in-hay stuff.

I worked at a movie theater during the summer of 2018, too, and there were a couple of films, really low-rated fare, that most audiences walked out from visibly apathetic or downright stirred to anger. A few times, seemingly as if lightning struck in just the right way, everyone stepped out so happy you'd think they found religion.

As strange as it can seem, sometimes specific audience reactions can prove anecdotal in the final telling.
 

TCB

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Oct 19, 2019
721
When I went to see The Rise of Skywalker, the audience I was in was nonstop adrenaline. They were in that movie. Had an absolute blast. These days, finding someone with half as much enthusiasm toward that flick - at least in my experience - is needle-in-hay stuff.

I went to see Avengers: Endgame in the theater a second time, and the entire place was packed... and also dead silent. You could hear a pin drop.

I was like WTF... it was on opening week as well.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
17,283
Midgar, With Love
I went to see Avengers: Endgame in the theater a second time, and the entire place was packed... and also dead silent. You could hear a pin drop.

I was like WTF... it was on opening week as well.

LOL, wild. That might just make my Rise of Skywalker experience downright normal by comparison.
 

Fj0823

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Oct 25, 2017
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Weird biomechanical Gods nurturing life on a planet until they reach big enough numbers to be used as sacrifice?

Them having their own sets of super powered slaves that do their bidding yet they try to defy their fate?

The kid character being a fucking insufferable little prick but for a valid reason that should've been explored more and is resolved too easily?
 

Cinco

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Oct 27, 2017
93
Go outside and touch some grass my man, not everyone that doesn't like the Eternals is secretly actually a homophobe and racist, so you were truly right in your Marvel fandom all along against a sea of misogynist incels. The critics who don't like the movie are as diverse in their backgrounds as the people in the movie!

Everyone absolutely has the right to their own opinion of the movie. The usual suspects however, saw an easy opportunity and came in hot with 11 min videos right on cue. I'll be sure and touch some grass though, been living in this MCU is the savior of cinema bubble for far too long and my eyes have truly been opened. Solid advice!
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,775
Weird biomechanical Gods nurturing life on a planet until they reach big enough numbers to be used as sacrifice?

Them having their own sets of super powered slaves that do their bidding yet they try to defy their fate?

The kid character being a fucking insufferable little prick but for a valid reason that should've been explored more and is resolved too easily?
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a good or bad thing.
 

ArcLyte

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Nov 1, 2017
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I thought it was really good lmao, might be one of my top five marvel movies. It's very different than the usual marvel fare, it takes it's time to develop characters and background which made me care quite a bit for them, and focuses more on the relationship of the Eternals to each other and to humans over thousands of years, more so than non-stop action. Loved all of the cosmic lore it introduced, and when the action did hit, it hits hard and was really well done and exciting. It deviated quite a bit from the Gaiman miniseries and did it's own thing, which is fine, and thought the changes were tasteful and well done. Some very interesting implications for the future of the MCU after this one.
 

Muitnorts

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,144
This was kind of a mess for the most part. I actually quite liked the third act because suddenly characters had clear divisions and goals and the plot became really simple and easy to follow.
Before that the whole thing just felt meandering. I was getting frustrated every time they threw to another flashback because they were all just tedious and really failed to explore the characters enough to justify them. There really needed to be more drive to the plot. The whole world is at stake but the films is about 30% shots of the eternals very very slowly walking around until they find themselves in a satisfactory enough group shot.

The cast was good but I'm way more interested in the dynamic now, post film, than what I just watched. I can imagine further adventures being way more interesting, especially if they include more Kit Harington. I never thought he was great in GoT but he had loads of charisma in his few scenes here and had far more chemistry with Gemma Chan than the man she'd been in love with for thousands of years.

Also I fucking loved the visuals of the celestial and all the transitions to that stuff. It looked really great and played with scale in a fun way.

Also also I kind of appreciate how loose Marvel remains when it comes to secrecy in universe. Obviously people are going to let stuff slip and other characters are going to notice weird shit happening given that magic and aliens are known to exist. It was fun that basically everyone close to the main cast knew about them already.

It was just a bit of a mixed bag. I think there's a really good film buried somewhere inside but it's covered by a lot of dull, pointless fluff. I'm not in a rush to watch it again but I'd be excited to see more of these characters in a better movie.
 

fallengorn

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm pretty conflicted about this movie. It's like a big budget movie indie movie set in the MCU. It doesn't entirely work, but I can't be mad at a movie that ends with a Celestial head sticking out of the Indian Ocean.

Also, I'm still not over that mid-credit sequence.
 

El_Chino

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Oct 25, 2017
3,114
Just left the theater!

I enjoyed the movie for it was attempting to do. I feel like the scope and the stakes are incredibly big for an origin movie. I still think they did a good enough of job with the time constraints.

I was slightly annoyed that my favorite characters were either dead or a bad guy/anti-hero, almsoy felt like a suicide squad type situation.

My theater erupted at the mid credits scene lol. I'm not a fan of the actor's work so I was more interested in his place going forward.

Who was that voice in the post credit scene?
 

WhySoDevious

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Oct 31, 2017
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Just left the theater!

I enjoyed the movie for it was attempting to do. I feel like the scope and the stakes are incredibly big for an origin movie. I still think they did a good enough of job with the time constraints.

I was slightly annoyed that my favorite characters were either dead or a bad guy/anti-hero, almsoy felt like a suicide squad type situation.

My theater erupted at the mid credits scene lol. I'm not a fan of the actor's work so I was more interested in his place going forward.

Who was that voice in the post credit scene?
Blade