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Marvel Studios announces Thor: Love and Thunder for November 2021. Starring Chris Hemsworth, Tessa Thompson, and Natalie Portman (as Thor herself)
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I think it's fair to have issues with how the comics handled the overall story of Jane as Thor. However the movie might not make the same mistakes. For me, the core concept still has value. If it was another director, or even earlier in the MCU's run I would be more skeptical. For the moment I'm going to be excited.
All those roles pales into comparison for her body double in Goya's Ghosts.
Saying that, yes, Natalie I would do what you ask us to do in this video. Without hesitation...
A lot of the people in marvel threads only watch marvel movies
You aren't correct about the story.
Her guaranteed death sentence served the story in a dramatic sense. It didn't exist just to serve Odinson. In fact,
she doesn't remain dead but is revived by Odin, AND the "power" doesn't revert back to Odinson at all. That's utter nonsense, since the hammer was destroyed, and Odinson was never without his powers.
Anyway, her story was awesome. She knew she was dying and chose to keep being Thor even though it was making her cancer worse/interfering with her chemo. But she had to save the realms, so she kept fighting, kept pushing, giving it all she's got.
Odinson, on the other hand, went on a journey of self-discovery, learning to cope with the whole situation. He was still a total badass, just in a rut for the moment (much like in the movies lately).
Please do yourself a favour and go watch Wilderpeople, and then firstly the film version, of and then the TV show - What We Do In The Shadows.
Although I think his next project will trigger a lot of peoples.... He's playing Adolf Hitler.
As an aside, have we noticed they're also part of the voice cast for the first What If...? episode?
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Let's not act like MCU honors these arcs page to page. We have no idea what they will do and how they will pull it off. Especially since vulnerability and insecurity are arcs Thor just faced in the last two Avengers films. Let's give them a chance.
She may have had nice moments but her death was built into her character arc from the very start. Her role in events was designed to be temporary and to instigate change within Odinson.
Jason Aarons is a good enough writer that he knows how to flesh out characters no matter if their ultimate role is to essentially support the development of main characters like Odinson.
I didn't see Jane Foster's arc as being distinct from his, which is why as a whole I enjoyed it no matter my complaints.
Yes there are definitely changes to be made with Jane's arc as Thor. Who knows if they will even use the cancer angle.
The first two Thor movies are the only MCU movies I didn't enjoy, so I don't blame her for bailing. She said she was drawn to the idea of making a super hero movie with Kenneth Braunaugh and (my opinion) it didn't work out. It's possible she saw the third film and liked the vibe. Oh, and she gets to play Thor instead of just being a love interest.
I'm super excited for this!
As for Portman as Thor? I'm stoked for that too. I don't blame her for being meh considering how weakly they handled Jane in the past. Adapting the Jane as Thor storyline is a great way to give her something to work with, so while I'm sure they gave her a nice paycheck, I'm not that cynical to think that that's the only reason she came back. Actors act, and as I said, they didn't really give her much to work with in the two previous Thor movies she was in. I imagine playing just "the love interest of hero" isn't exactly a role that leaves you begging for more.
She probably saw how much fun Ragnarok was, and how energetic the production of that movie was, and wanted in. And if they pitched her carrying the Thor series forward, I can totally see why she'd jump back in. This is definitely the announcement I'm most excited about, despite there being some great stuff coming.
As for Portman as Thor? I'm stoked for that too. I don't blame her for being meh considering how weakly they handled Jane in the past. Adapting the Jane as Thor storyline is a great way to give her something to work with, so while I'm sure they gave her a nice paycheck, I'm not that cynical to think that that's the only reason she came back. Actors act, and as I said, they didn't really give her much to work with in the two previous Thor movies she was in. I imagine playing just "the love interest of hero" isn't exactly a role that leaves you begging for more.
She probably saw how much fun Ragnarok was, and how energetic the production of that movie was, and wanted in. And if they pitched her carrying the Thor series forward, I can totally see why she'd jump back in. This is definitely the announcement I'm most excited about, despite there being some great stuff coming.
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Love love LOVE this.
My only hope is that she gets a name different than "thor". I feel like it would be confusing to have two people with the same name. Other than that minor gripe, I can't wait for this :) Portman, Thompson and Hemsworth will make one hell of a trio in this one.
My only hope is that she gets a name different than "thor". I feel like it would be confusing to have two people with the same name. Other than that minor gripe, I can't wait for this :) Portman, Thompson and Hemsworth will make one hell of a trio in this one.
These are movies and comics. Likening a creator and their method to cancer is really kind of fucked up. That said, From the directing to writing or tone I think it is fair to say Thor: Ragnarok is the best of the Thor movies. Taika is a really good filmmaker who brought an interesting take that help differentiate Thor from his other MCU peers. ALSO: Read Aaron's run specifically his stories about Young Thor. Young thor could be brash, silly, goofy, and ridiculous and it worked because he was strongly defined. Before Ragnarok I didn't feel Thor was all that well defined and it was also the first film where I said to myself "Damn Self. Chris Hemsworth is a really great actor." Why did that happen? Taika was a good enough director to recognize Chris's strengths and capitalize on them.
I'm stoked for another Thor film, but I'm not sure about Portman being Thor. Her performance in the first two Thor films was lackluster. I'm hoping since Taika is directing, he'll be able to use her strengths because she's not a bad actress at all.
I think it's a reference to the comic story regarding Jane becoming Thor. She apparently had cancer.
It wouldn't be the strangest thing to see an acting nomination for a Marvel film. Johnny Depp was nominated for Jack Sparrow. Every now and then the Academy likes a fun performance.
It's not necessary? Do you expect such a performance from John Wick?
She did have cancer, she was dying of it. I just hate the hyperbolics employed by the poster. A lot of creators aren't my taste but I'd never liken them to cancer. IT's a bridge too far in my mind.
The logo is cool and all but is there a story reason why it looks so retro? It looks like something out of an 80s American cartoon.
Or is that just because logos of 80s American cartoons happen to look cool?
Or is that just because logos of 80s American cartoons happen to look cool?
Yes they are.
Because they've been conditioned to see women in male power fantasies like comic books as props solely existing for the benefit of the male hero. They can't wrap their heads around the idea that the people playing these parts in movies may not be 100% thrilled to have nothing substantial to work with when it's their job to act and embody these characters.
It's no different from the clerk working an office job where they have to stamp paperwork all day. It gets tedious, boring, and ultimately unfulfilling. They know they can do more/better than what's being asked of them, but they aren't getting that chance.
Poorly written/executed characters have the same effect on an actor. Portman was rightly annoyed with how poorly Jane was written in the previous films. Now there's a writer/director who has reinvigorated the Thor franchise, and clearly has plans for Jane. I'm sure they pitched the idea to Portman, who was clearly impressed with what they're going to do with Jane beyond just making her Thor, and that excited and reinvigorated her interest in returning to the character.
Just like that clerk would be reinvigorated if their boss was like, "hey, you don't have to stamp shit anymore, we're going to put you in charge of project management, like you've always wanted to do." A job is a job, and creatives working in creative industries want to exercise that creativity.
The incel crowd also can't wrap their heads around the idea of women characters having their own agency and lives outside of how they impact the male hero. They didn't see Jane as anything more than the chick Thor hooks up with. Sadly, the writers of the Thor films seemed to think of her the same way, and gave her storylines with about that much thought put into it. Just enough "personality" so she wasn't cardboard, but about as shallow as a kiddie pool. Thankfully Taika is not of that camp, and will no doubt do wonders with Jane's character, and Portman, being a great actress, will make that shit sing.
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According to Endgame the wielder won't change an iota physically in their appearance. Rogers' didn't run into the Rock.
Feige talks about Portman briefly in this clip.
I'm kind of confused. Was Thor kind of a transformation like the hulk? Like, how can a human become a thor? The original thor transfer his thor powers to others or something like that?
I think he started as a human doctor that picked up the hammer to transform and later got retconned into always being thor. When Thor has been deemed unworthy jane picks up the hammer instead and thor goes off adventuring in space or something. Loses or lost his arm, picks up an axe that sort of stuff
In the comics, Thor was originally the alter ego of the human doctor Donald Blake, who would turn into Thor when he held Mjolnir, though it was later established that Donald Blake was actually always Thor, just under a spell by Odin or whatever. But basically, the idea of a mortal worthy of Mjolnir holding the hammer and transforming into a version of Thor has happened to other characters like Eric Masterson, and then later Jane Foster (though this definitely isn't consistent).
How this is going to be applied to the films is up in the air. All we know is that Jane will become "the Mighty Thor" per Taika when she gets Mjolnir somehow. How and what's going to happen is unknown.
Thanks for the answers. So the vibe I'm getting is that Thor is more of an entity than a "character".
I don't remember them hinting at this in the previous movies, I wonder how they will approach this angle after so many titles in the franchise.
My current guess: During Dr. Strange and his multiverse movie. They run into a Jane Foster that took over the mantle of Thor when Thor died in the first movie in their universe. She comes to our universe. It's the only way they get the hammer back w/ the enchantment.
Mjolnir doesn't even exist in the main MCU timeline right now, so we'll see how it plays out. We can assume Thor still wields the Odinforce. A power like that could put an enchantment on a new Mjolnir or any other weapon, that whoever be worthy of it will wield his power.
in Jason Aaron's story he explains that Mjolnir is super powerful and sentient. Basically it has the most powerful god storm that ever existed trapped inside of it. It can physically transform the weak, frail, dying Jane into this god-like being whenever she's holding it. However when she's in Human form she's undergoing chemo to treat cancer. Every time she turns into Thor her body cleans out the chemo when she transforms-so essentially every time she becomes Thor she's killing her self little by little. But she keeps doing it because Thor Odinson was unworthy and could no longer protect Asgard and the Ten Realms.
It not a thing in the movies and it really wasn't in the comics either. Some characters had gotten Thor's powers but they had not actually "become" Thor, I think that was mostly something created for that run.
I don't think Jane will be the 'main' Thor going forward. Not saying it isn't possible, but Hemsworth is confirmed to make continued appearances. If Ragnarok is anything to go by, Taika Waititi will mash up two different stories (maybe God Butcher, or when New Asgard was remade on Earth?) and have Natalie play a defining but not permanent, role.
The dynamic will also have to be pretty different since in the comic Thor is unworthy and ends up accepting the fact that he can no longer be Thor so he's fine with Jane taking over for him. In the movies he knows he's worthy in Endgame and he's fine having all of his powers, and more, with Stormbringer.
It'll be interesting to see what pieces Taiki takes from that run.
It'll be interesting to see what pieces Taiki takes from that run.