Yeah, for those of us that lived through it, it was a great "Holy Shit" moment.
Crazy how many people in this thread have never heard of them. Doesn't feel that long ago to me, but I guess I'm old!
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Marvel Films Phase 5 ends with Thunderbolts on July 26, 2024
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Crazy how many people in this thread have never heard of them. Doesn't feel that long ago to me, but I guess I'm old!
Yeah I liked the joke but it's dead now. I'm sorry.
Yeees. Characters we've never seen before like
"Citizen V"
or
"Mach-1". Or "Meteorite"
I see right through you Feige. Oh this Character I've never seen before looks SUSPICIOUSLY like Abomination with a paper bag on his head with a smiley face drawn on it.
With this being at the end of Phase 5, there's also like 13 more movies/shows to get through beforehand. Plenty of chances for more team members to be introduced during one of them if they haven't been in the MCU yet.
I haven't paid close enough attention to the announcements to be sure this makes sense—and I also know very little about where the comics went after the initial Kurt Busiek run—but I wonder if they use this as a sort of backdoor setup for the next Avengers team.
The government brings together their own team under their control, composed of a mix of disgraced heroes, mercenaries, and outright villains given new identities. Maybe have Zemo in his Citizen V identity, with the fact that it's him as a mid-movie reveal in a nod to the original series? Zemo corrupts the team's goals to his own ends, and stopping them acts as an inciting incident to bring a bunch of other heroes together. When all is revealed, some Thunderbolts join the good guys, some stick with Zemo, they fight, the end, the core of a new Avengers team is established. Zemo and those that stuck with him are now the Masters of Evil in spirit if not name.
Of course, they could also play it more straight in a "shady characters come together to do good" sort of thing.
The government brings together their own team under their control, composed of a mix of disgraced heroes, mercenaries, and outright villains given new identities. Maybe have Zemo in his Citizen V identity, with the fact that it's him as a mid-movie reveal in a nod to the original series? Zemo corrupts the team's goals to his own ends, and stopping them acts as an inciting incident to bring a bunch of other heroes together. When all is revealed, some Thunderbolts join the good guys, some stick with Zemo, they fight, the end, the core of a new Avengers team is established. Zemo and those that stuck with him are now the Masters of Evil in spirit if not name.
Of course, they could also play it more straight in a "shady characters come together to do good" sort of thing.
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Does anyone know the source for this? Might give hope to the Songbird fans. Orrrrrr ammo to the Deadpool/Punisher rumors.
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Brandon Davis's recap of the presentation lists it so I'm guessing it's something Feige said at the presentation.
White Vision and Moon Knight (Jake Lockley personality) seem like possibilities, too
agreed lol. i think this movie may just be a backdoor to have the New Avengers form in response to the Thunderbolts trying to go up against a threat as big as Doom
Justin Hammer has been rumored from day 1 of this rumor
I think no Yelena personally, her connection to de Fontaine is kind of over now that she's knows Hawkguy isn't actually a bad dude.
I think she'll definitely be in the movie though and itll be part of her arc to get her on the New Avengers team
Zemo
Agent - Cap
Hammer - Iron Man
Yelena - Widow
Abomination - Hulk
Punisher - Hawkeye
Ghost
Zemo, Ghost, Abomination and Hammer were the first names mentioned when this stuff leaked.
Yelenda will definitely leave
Agent - Cap
Hammer - Iron Man
Yelena - Widow
Abomination - Hulk
Punisher - Hawkeye
Ghost
Zemo, Ghost, Abomination and Hammer were the first names mentioned when this stuff leaked.
Yelenda will definitely leave
If they want Hammer involved but want someone else in the suit seems like we may be getting Zeke Stane soon. I think Hammer will play a role similar to Osborn but he wont be like Iron Patriot or something
Another possibility that came to mind for the "characters who haven't been introduced yet" would be "Freedom Force" characters - from when the Brotherhood worked for a government beaurocrat named Val. Specifically, Mystique could be a good fit.
Or they'll just recast. No need to get tied in knots like this.
Oh my bad, that's right. I heard Zeke's kid is going to be in a few things. Makes more sense.
I'm still pinching myself that they chose a movie route for this, not a show. Unreal to me it's really, really happening. MCU has come so far to make this even possible. Unlike SS, we already met these characters too and some, a couple of times.
I remember Thunderbolts first issue. And that last page reveal. It was the big watercooler chatter for a good while in the comic shops/hangouts.
Would make sense if the film opens with DODC capturing people like Screaming Mimi and then we cut to them suddenly in new personas line Songbird and being given second chances as heroes.
If we don't get Bag-Man now that we have the FF in the MCU and Spider-Man in a dark place maybe getting the symbiote suit... please make it happen
Tom Holland would kill that moment too
That team would be really cool but I feel like everyone's specialties are kinda similar bar one and the 'power level' is kinda low. Though I guess that wouldn't matter if they're supposed to be on the down low.
That would fix the above problem.
Yeah I feel like it'd be hard to get her in unless she's, like, a mole or something?
if this means there will be Zemo and Hammer duo dance scene, then Phase 5 would all be worth it
this is our end goal now.
this is our end goal now.
I want Zemo to be a member of the team and be totally kickass, and then when they finally complete the mission and the third act of the movie is winding down, there's suddenly a surprise fourth act and one by one all the members of the team die in a sudden, The Departed style shock ending until only Zemo is left remaining because every single twist and turn that happened in the movie was something he orchestrated to accomplish the mission, kill the villains and set up all his superpowered teammates to die, because goddammit he's a man with convictions, and all superheroes must die.
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The original source is Deadline and they mention some other tidbits.
deadline.com
Marvel’s ‘Thunderbolts’ Movie Taps Jake Schreier As Director
Marvel's top secret Thunderbolts movie looks to have gained momentum as Deadline has learned that Jake Schreier is set as director of the new Marvel tentpole.
deadline.com
Supposedly Zeke Stane will be in Iron Heart and will be played by Alden Ehrenreich.
Yeah I know The Hood is supposed to be in it too but I'm kinda hoping he is playing Stane.
If they want to get some core Thunderbolts in this show, it could also be Abner Jenkins in the suit.
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I've been feeling pretty confident that they'll be going the Dark Avengers route for a while now, but I am starting to feel a lot less sure on who will be in the line up since they can go so many directions with this and have a good number of options. I kind of hope that we learn the lineup sooner than later.
My personal hopes:
Support team-
Zemo as reluctant strategic leader
Taskmaster as trainer of the team
Justin Hammer as tech supplier
U.S. Agent as field leader
Bucky
Yelena
Abomination
Ghost
Namor just because I feel they need another powerful character, but I'm not sure who else might fit.
My personal hopes:
Support team-
Zemo as reluctant strategic leader
Taskmaster as trainer of the team
Justin Hammer as tech supplier
U.S. Agent as field leader
Bucky
Yelena
Abomination
Ghost
Namor just because I feel they need another powerful character, but I'm not sure who else might fit.
Except it wasn't Ross who assembled the first team in the comics and the name had nothing to do with him. Love when these comic "experts" that use their "expertise" to legitimize their position of being in the know have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.The original source is Deadline and they mention some other tidbits.
Marvel’s ‘Thunderbolts’ Movie Taps Jake Schreier As Director
Marvel's top secret Thunderbolts movie looks to have gained momentum as Deadline has learned that Jake Schreier is set as director of the new Marvel tentpole.
The original source is Deadline and they mention some other tidbits.
Marvel’s ‘Thunderbolts’ Movie Taps Jake Schreier As Director
Marvel's top secret Thunderbolts movie looks to have gained momentum as Deadline has learned that Jake Schreier is set as director of the new Marvel tentpole.
Thunderbolt Ross didn't assemble the original team, Zemo did. Ross had nothing to do with the OG Thunderbolts, they weren't a government team, they were straight up a new super hero team that showed up because The Avengers and F4 were "dead", until the reveal they were the Masters of Evil in disguise.
You're focusing on the wrong thing. The Hollywood trades are not known for getting their comic lore right. Their known for having info fed to them by the studios directly or through reliable sources. Ignore their incorrect comic lore.
Nope. First off a lot of these trades not named Variety or entertainment weekly while they get more right than straight rags still do a lot of guessing that turns out wrong but get millions of defenders because they are "experts".
More importantly half the arguments about comics on the internet stem from this kind of erroneous information, leading to situations where people who have never read a comic in the first place 1. Argue with people who are hardcore comic fans and act as if they cannot be wrong/have superior knowledge because they read an article on deadline (as an example) and "those columnists are experts" 2. Is a lot of where fan speculation/theories leads to the Wandavision Mephisto bull or " there will be a twist and Kamala is really an inhuman" nonsense that is usually spread and propagated by people that have never read a comic and think they know more because they read an article on the lore that was also full of misinformation.
The official team will probably debut in New World Order first
And then the movie will add a few more members
And then the movie will add a few more members
Maybe.
I didn't know if White Vision may care to get involved in matters like this, especially after getting manipulated by SWORD and since Vision really can't be controlled or manipulated in the same way as others without straight up erasing his memories, but then I did think that in the same way that original Vision concluded that superheroes need oversight and went along with the Accords, I could see White Vision maybe coming to a similar conclusion. I kind of doubt it, but maybe. I mean, Zemo doesn't seem like he'd get involved either.
Interesting thought. So whether or not the film is about Red Skull's New World Order, it could include some of the Thunderbolts. It would also give the film's title a double meaning (you know, with the government still not loving Sam Wilson and still installing its own lackeys). I like that idea.
Makes me wonder who the villain of Cap 4 is going to be, are we getting Sin or a new Red Skull? or even the Serpent Society? Grand Director? Americops? There's so many characters that could fit the New World Order gimmick.
Im kind of hoping it starts with different individual heroes trying to stop thunderbolts and so they just naturally form as the young heroes keep trying to stop them and run into each other and form the young avengers.
Unless of course they just never do young avengers…
My guess for the roster is:
La Contessa (Valentina) | Fury
Citizen V (Baron Zemo) | Tony
Black Widow (Yelena) | Widow
US Agent (Walker) | Cap
Abomination (Blonsky) | Hulk
Atlas (Dr. William Foster) | Ant-Man
Ghost (Ava Starr) | Wasp
Bullseye (Ben Poindexter) | Hawkeye
Songbird (Melissa Gold) | Thor-ish