Oh boy I am about to make you two cry. There WAS going to be a Marathon reboot (assumed to be Lehto's project) but it got canned pretty soon on
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Marty O’Donnell has shed some light on Activison x Bungie’s relationship and what went wrong
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This is false. For some random reason I got really into Marathon stuff last week and was exploring the Marathon sub-reddit. One of the developers at Bungie who worked on Marathon 2: Durandal (XBLA) posted that the 10% in the contract was simply cleaning up the open-source, Aelph One version of Marathon. He's posted a lot in the Marathon sub-reddit about various things (no longer works at Bungie anymore).
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/c...e_has_a_new_marathon_shirt/f8txp0l/?context=3
Never seen this before actually! Thank you for clearing that up. Most people just assumed it was Lehto's project and that's why he left.
Yea it surprised me as well, I thought they were working on a remake too! I have no idea what prompted this weird minor obsession with Marathon the past week but I'm glad it started :D
It's never been "under" monetized. The whole point of season passes is to fund perodic updates without the need for expansions. Destiny has both, and a cash shop. It's literally monetized more than any game in its genre and worse than many actual MMOs.
The game is a product of the greedy 'screw your customers' model that has become so prevelant these days. So prevelant, in fact, that you can claim with a straight face that it's under monetized.
I don't blame MS for wanting to own the IP, especially considering the cost of the project.
Honestly, Bungie didn't have much options when it came to financing this thing. Can't go to private investors, they'd want shares in the company and would eventually agitate for a sale or some other liquidity event.
Considering what their options were, I think going with Activision was probably the best course. They held on to the IP and they didn't get bought out and they didn't get assimilated into some huge company's other broad stable of publishers. Activision spent a huge ton of money to let them launch the IP into the stratosphere, and they were able to walk away with full ownership of their game.
Just look at how quickly EA had Respawn under their thumb for comparison.
Just look at how quickly EA had Respawn under their thumb for comparison.
"Pay to win", huh? Got some examples? Burden of proof is on the accuser, after all.
Makes one of the biggest franchises for this generation.. Irrelevant Bungie lmao
Safeguarding the survival of a company that is independent, and who continues work on new projects and Destiny itself, it being a massive project that has hundreds of people working on it. Its about minimizing risk while safeguarding your employees and your companies future. No company will say, well, we have enough money now, so lets sell less things to customers. Its something you simply cannot do since the game industry is always a risky business, and big companies fall the hardest, so the more capital you have to bridge harder times the better. Call it greed all you want, but you are underestimating how expensive it is to maintain a project like Destiny.
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From memory IP ownership was also the sticking point with Ryse 2 - Crytek would only make it if they retained the IP, and Microsoft would only fund it if they gave it over, so the game never happened.
it's also public knowledge that eververse was bungie's idea, not Activisions.
We got out of touch people thinking both the franchise and Bungie are irrelevant and then some thinking the game is pay2win...
I haven't been 100% a fan of the content we've gotten this year. Season of the Dawn outside of the Saint-14 missions and the entirety of Season of the Worthy was awful and too much grinding. Season of Arrivals has me going back everyday though and their Beyond Light announcement stream with the roadmap from content to features for the next 2ish years has me excited.
I haven't been 100% a fan of the content we've gotten this year. Season of the Dawn outside of the Saint-14 missions and the entirety of Season of the Worthy was awful and too much grinding. Season of Arrivals has me going back everyday though and their Beyond Light announcement stream with the roadmap from content to features for the next 2ish years has me excited.
I'm sure partnering up with Activision caused a fair share of issues behind the scenes but the things that always irked me about Destiny are probably still unrelated to that.
They still seem to have issues with their tools which at least in the past slowed down development of new content significantly.
I also got the feeling that Bungie had one intended way to play their game and experience the content and if you found a way to get around that they changed it and that sometimes felt like they actively tried to suck the fun out of it.
They still seem to have issues with their tools which at least in the past slowed down development of new content significantly.
I also got the feeling that Bungie had one intended way to play their game and experience the content and if you found a way to get around that they changed it and that sometimes felt like they actively tried to suck the fun out of it.
Still waiting for Bungie to make a new single player game. I hated every minute I played of Destiny.
Uuuhh...what? Destiny is still really big. Bungie just announced the next 3 expansions for Destiny 2 like a month ago.
Don't bother waiting. Bungie is all in on Destiny 2 until AT LEAST 2022. They've already outlined their plans for supporting Destiny 2 into the foreseeable future.
Absolutely fucking not. The PC version of Destiny 2 is fucking fantastic, and the last thing the playerbase needs right now is console exclusivity.
Yes, as that ended Sony's shitty exclusivity arrangement with Activision that blocked content in D1 and D2 from every other platform and prevented cross-progression on the game. And D2 got to Steam.
It regularly pulls in 1million+ daily active users. Not bad for an irrelevant dead game I'd say.
I mean the campaigns of Destiny are basically Halo campaigns minus large vehicle sections. They ain't making no single player only game, dream on. Their audience is very much a multiplayer audience.
The Destiny campaigns pale in comparison to what's in any Halo game. There's a lot more than vehicle sections missing. Encounter design, ai variety (including friendly ai), characters, etc.. Halo campaigns are focused on the sandbox. Destiny campaigns are nowhere close.
EA does this, all EA Originals titles are owned by their own studios.
Titanfall was owned by Respawn despite EA funding the studio for years
Crysis is still owned by Crytek despite EA funding three games.
Epic Games Publishing is exactly doing this as well with Remedy, genDESIGN and Playdead
Activision and Namco Bandai did it with From Software, letting them own Sekiro, Dark Souls and Elden Ring, while Sony demanded Demon's Souls and Bloodborne
There are plenty of examples, the only publisher that demands ownership of the IP in the vast majority of the cases is Sony (see The Order, Death Stranding, Detroit Become Human, Bloodborne etc...)
Disintegration still hurts my heart. It really just isn't a fun game. I don't know what Lehto will do from here.
"Disintegration" is more like what happened internally to Bungie after their merge with Activision and since Destiny 1 happened.
Yep. Before Destiny 1 I could never in a million years imagine not looking forward to a new Bungie game. They were my favorite studio ever. I'll never forget good ol Bungie days and winning my steak.
Their decline is honestly one of the biggest tragedies in the game industry.
burn bright. burn blue. Forever in my heart. Big sad.
Only in very broad terms are their campaigns similar.
We all can admit we grinded out the Destiny campaign on all 3 characters because the gear was crap, the story (initially) was weak, and the mission structure was rote. No one enjoyed playing through them lol.
How our standards have fallen huh
The paid season pass provides significantly game altering items.
It has several ascendant shards, each of which could very well tip a couple of your stats up a tier. At the high end of PvP that makes a difference and gives an advantage. I happen to have enough shards from Trials, but that doesn't make it any less shitty.
Also several exotic engrams provided again by the paid season pass only. This gives you more chances to get a better rolled exotic. Again that's bullshit, and a gameplay altering advantage. Small? Maybe, maybe not. It's the principle.
I remember when this stuff was creeping in people would be like "well it's only cosmetic that's ok". But now Bungie has crossed well over the line and guess what, people like you are still excusing them.
"People like me" have never had issues with acceleration. It's not like you can pay money for a gun that is far and away the best in the game and a metaphorical win button. Extra engrams is nothing. Extra resources is nothing.
Activision are disgusting. Nothing new.
Literally the worst company when you want you keep your IP, so never gonna happen.
Literally the worst company when you want you keep your IP, so never gonna happen.
While Activision no doubt behaved like one would expect Activision to, this story shifts blame completely away from Bungie. Activision even had Blizzard helping out Bungie in how they were able to revamp Diablo III successfully and gave them tips and what not. Read the chapter on Bungie/Destiny in Blood, Sweat, and Pixels by jschreier
Saying "it's nothing" doesn't make it true.
It is something, no matter how much you pretend it isn't.
So to you they have to do something so extreme it completely screws the game before you dare to call it out? No nuance no nothing. Lol
I always thought it was weird, that they left MS because they wanted to be independent, and then choose Activision as their partner for 10 years or so IIRC.
Or in your case anything that's not cosmetic is paying to win.
I have never budged on my stance for this in Destiny or any other game with this sort of thing. But we can probably stop this anyway since you're dead set on making villains out of the people who disagree.
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It is nothing... if you think +2 to stats is game altering in pvp, then sorry you're just bad at it. You can get +2 to stats and ascendant shards faster by playing the game normally by the time you even get to the end of this so called p2w season pass.
Was Destiny a success? I really did not understand if the game sold well or a lot less than they expected.
Ok then. Would you rather I called it pay4advantage so we could water down any criticism against Bungie?
Buddy, if anything the people at the lower end of PvP are less likely to care about such supposedly minor minmaxing.
When you're optimising for the perfect build yes +2 to every stat on each armour piece is an advantage. A decently large one at that.
Both of them sound awful honestly. How high on the smell of your own farts do you have to be to think it's okay to publicly refer to yourself as a golden goose?
This was probably a statement that made everyone else at the table uncomfortable and the financial advisor may have tried to diffuse the tension with a joke that fell flat.
The Activision suits were the ones that brought it up at the dinner.