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Man....Valve were on fire last gen.

Yukinari

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Artifact came out and not a single person on my steam list knew or gives a shit. Add extra dont give a shit on top of that because its dota 2 themed instead of a general Valve universe theming. Imagine a valve card game with the iconic visuals and music from each title.

Sure as hell wont pay 20 bucks for that. Maybe if it was free like dota 2 is.
 
SirKai

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The much repeated "Valve doesn't make games" shtick is obviously not literally true, and the quality/artistic value only they can produce is still all over games like Dota 2 and Artfiact, but let's be real, if Naughty Dog's next game was a multiplayer only game, and then they didn't release anything for over six years (aside from a VR tech demo), only for their next release to be a card game based on said online multiplayer only game, you'd all be justifiably annoyed.

"Valve doesn't make games" is hyperbole, but when you go from releasing 8 excellent, high profile multi-platform titles in 6 years (2006-2012) from four different IP, to releasing 1-2 major releases that are PC only in the following 6 year span (2012-2018), and they're both the same IP, that's pretty disappointing no matter how you slice it and no one is the wrong for expressing as such.

Yazzees said:
Some of these posts, especially on the first page, are fucking delusional. Dota's bigger than all those games combined. Get over yourselves. There's plenty of other single-player and co-op fps for you to put a casual 8-10 hours into. There's only one Dota. For fuck's sake we don't need this exact thread every two weeks.
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"Everyone I'm contending with is fucking delusional, also all story driven co-op/single player games are casual and interchangeable."
 
Trisc

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Remember how folks got really angry in 2009 when Valve announced L4D2 was releasing that year, just a year after the first game? That still cracks me up. Those same fans would cry tears of joy if Valve pulled the same thing nowadays.
 

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SirKai said:
but let's be real, if Naughty Dog's next game was a multiplayer only game, and then they didn't release anything for over six years (aside from a VR tech demo), only for their next release to be a card game based on said online multiplayer only game, you'd all be justifiably annoyed.
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If that multiplayer game ended up being a premier esport that I'd easily sink 3000 hours into, meet tons of people, and experience more challenging and in-depth gameplay than any fucking corridor-simulator, I wouldn't be annoyed in the least

That's what gets missed here. The sheer prominence, sky-high playerbase size, and quality of these two games that apparently aren't games to a fair amount of people here. Seeing them get brushed aside like they're a couple of cynical mobile Clash of Clans clones whose only begrudging, redeeming feature is the money made off whales is embarrassingly indicative of this forum's mindset.

It absolutely is delusional.
 
SirKai

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Yazzees said:
more challenging and in-depth gameplay than any fucking corridor-simulator

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Seeing them (Dota 2) get brushed aside ... is embarrassingly indicative of this forum's mindset.
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BillFromAccounting

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Yazzees said:
If that multiplayer game ended up being a premier esport that I'd easily sink 3000 hours into, meet tons of people, and experience more challenging and in-depth gameplay than any fucking corridor-simulator, I wouldn't be annoyed in the least

That's what gets missed here. The sheer prominence, sky-high playerbase size, and quality of these two games that apparently aren't games to a fair amount of people here. Seeing them get brushed aside like they're a couple of cynical mobile Clash of Clans clones whose only begrudging, redeeming feature is the money made off whales is embarrassingly indicative of this forum's mindset.

It absolutely is delusional.
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Lol...man...well you're passionate, I'll give you that
 
Aprikurt

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I'll never quite understand why we haven't had new instalments of Portal, Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress And Half Life. I really don't get it. Particularly Left 4 Dead, I utterly adored that game.
 
cyba89

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Yazzees said:
(...) and experience more challenging and in-depth gameplay than any fucking corridor-simulator, I wouldn't be annoyed in the least

That's what gets missed here. The sheer prominence, sky-high playerbase size, and quality of these two games that apparently aren't games to a fair amount of people here. Seeing them get brushed aside like they're a couple of cynical mobile Clash of Clans clones whose only begrudging, redeeming feature is the money made off whales is embarrassingly indicative of this forum's mindset.

It absolutely is delusional.
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Lol
You're pretty much disqualifying yourself for calling anyone delusional by calling Half Life 2, one of the most heralded games of all time, a corridor simulator. But okay... criticize others for their mindset about DOTA. I'm sure that will convince anyone now.
 

NuclearCake

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah i miss this Valve. I know there are those who love Dota 2 but that game doesn't even compare to the stuff Valve used to put out.
 
HotHamBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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My friend and I were just talking about how crazy it is that Valve doesn't take the easy money and make everyone happy by making HL3.

Meanwhile, let's add another log to the raging bonfire that is digital CCG's but with a twist: our's is Pay-to-Play!
 
Alexandros

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Valve's work as the leader of digital distribution in the PC space and all the projects around it, like Steam Input and Steam Proton, are way more important and impactful for PC gaming than any single game. I understand the frustration of those who don't play games on PC or simply don't enjoy multiplayer games. I too vastly prefer Valve's prior singleplayer output to its current multiplayer focus. However, I would place their work on various aspects of PC gaming way above their game output, old and new.
 
Kyougar

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Alexandros said:
Valve's work as the leader of digital distribution in the PC space and all the projects around it, like Steam Input and Steam Proton, are way more important and impactful for PC gaming than any single game. I understand the frustration of those who don't play games on PC or simply don't enjoy multiplayer games. I too vastly prefer Valve's prior singleplayer output to its current multiplayer focus. However, I would place their work on various aspects of PC gaming way above their game output, old and new.
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Yup. Valve doesn't need to make games, they are more valuable to consumers with their Hardware/Software and Store work.
 
Pixieking

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You've got to ask yourself how demoralising it must be for the Valve staff to have so many people be just straight-up ignorant of the work a company does. "Valve don't make good/any games anymore" is the one "lazy devs" stereotype that is given tacit approval on this forum. An EA thread that talked about how BioWare games and multiplayer games aren't "real", and how EA focus too much on Origin, would be shut straight down.
 
water_wendi

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Pixieking said:
Given that Yanis Varoufakis helped in development of the Steam market (even if only tangentially), and that the market is essentially free Steam Wallet money which buys games... yes?
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At casino resorts they have multiple giveaways every week if you are signed up for their players club. While the items are free of charge they are not provided out of the kindness of the corporations heart. Good for you that can avoid being psychologically ensnared and not be exploited. Not everyone is so fortunate.
 
OwOtacon

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I wonder whether the level of polish for In The Valley of the Gods is going to change after Valve's acquisition. Stuff like the story and game design were likely locked in already but will Valve give more assistance?
 
ash32121

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ZeroX said:
It isn't fucking pay to play. Where did this bullshit come from and why do people keep repeating it?
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I look up on Steam right now and it say I have to pay $20 to play the game. If there is a free version that exist somewhere else then it is pay to play.

P/s: unless you mean shit like:"$20 is for card you gonna get in game" then count me the fuck out. I want to try it first before buy it thank you.

Edit: Is DotA even count as a Valve game? That was a mod for WC3 right?
 
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Blade Wolf

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Oct 27, 2017
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One of the reason why I still think last gen is much better than this gen, and by gen I mean consoles + PC, not just PS3 vs PS4.

PS4's library might be better than PS3's but last gen PC games + PS3 is without a doubt superior to this gen PC games + PS4, it's not even close. There's absolutely nothing great about this gen other than like 10 great PS4 exclusives and some good battle royale games, and that's really it. Maybe Zelda BOTW I guess.

Last gen was imo much more creative and diverse, we have tons of new sub genre and designs that we've never seen before compared to this gen.
 
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BernardoOne

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Cirerus said:
When they announced that the game would not be free to play I initially thought that the initial fee would give access to all cards in the game, such as heroes in DOTA 2, and later micro transactions would be cosmetic and event related, as in CS: GO.

I played Hearthstone for a while, and I hated the business model that greatly discourages players from trying different things (netdeck saves you money for wins). I thought that because of this Artifact would be different but I was wrong. They have managed to implement the worst of both digital and paper card games.
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They've actually managed to implement the best. Not only it offers stuff like free draft unlike any other game in the market, it also has the cheapest price for competitive decks.
 
Triggerhappytel

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I don't understand why they haven't at the very least done a remaster for Left 4 Dead. There's not really been anything like it and zombies are still massive so I'm sure it would be worth the effort for them.
 
Pixieking

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Triggerhappytel said:
I don't understand why they haven't at the very least done a remaster for Left 4 Dead. There's not really been anything like it and zombies are still massive so I'm sure it would be worth the effort for them.
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A remaster would be kind of pointless for PC, and patch certification times soured them on console development quite a bit. Valley of Gods isn't a GaaS game, so is fine, but I imagine the hassle of remastering for XBone and PS4 only to have patches, tweaks and iterations delayed by the certification process isn't something they particularly want to do.
 
CloudWolf

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Pixieking said:
The Lab is a game. Also, continued support of CS:GO and DOTA2. Whilst not new, they are supporting them with new features.
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I'd say The Lab is more a tech demo than a game. It's literally just short demo experiences to showcase different aspects of VR.

Though I do have to agree that it was probably wrong to discount their continued support of CS:GO and DOTA2.
 
Atolm

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Orange Box was probably the best gaming package ever created.

Compare it to Artifact's value proposition and cry.
 
Skittles

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ash32121 said:
I look up on Steam right now and it say I have to pay $20 to play the game. If there is a free version that exist somewhere else then it is pay to play.

P/s: unless you mean shit like:"$20 is for card you gonna get in game" then count me the fuck out. I want to try it first before buy it thank you.

Edit: Is DotA even count as a Valve game? That was a mod for WC3 right?
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If only there was some kind of built in refund system
 
ZeroX

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ash32121 said:
I look up on Steam right now and it say I have to pay $20 to play the game. If there is a free version that exist somewhere else then it is pay to play.

P/s: unless you mean shit like:"$20 is for card you gonna get in game" then count me the fuck out. I want to try it first before buy it thank you.

Edit: Is DotA even count as a Valve game? That was a mod for WC3 right?
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HotHamBoy said:
Probably because it's $19.99 to start the game up which is the definition of Pay-to-Play.
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Pay to play is a term people have been using to say you have to pay to play the game after the initial purchase which isn't true. And yeah, you have to fucking buy video games and nobody calls that pay to play. Who would've guessed?

And yeah there's a refund system for games on Steam. There's nothing stopping you trying the game.
 
Pixieking

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Edge said:
Which games?
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People have already mentioned their games. If you don't like them, that's fine.

fantomena said:
Imo, Valve does need to make games, I found their SP gamers to be as valuable to me as their store.
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This is the thing, though - they don't need to make games. People want them to make games, but they don't need to. It feels like there's a level of expectation with Valve that doesn't seem to exist with other devs. Like, does EA need to release Anthem? Does Ubi need to release more AssCreed? Does CDPR need to release Cyberpunk? Why is Valve different?
 

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Pixieking said:
This is the thing, though - they don't need to make games. People want them to make games, but they don't need to. It feels like there's a level of expectation with Valve that doesn't seem to exist with other devs. Like, does EA need to release Anthem? Does Ubi need to release more AssCreed? Does CDPR need to release Cyberpunk? Why is Valve different?
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Do you expect me to care about what a rich as fuck company needs are? No. I want them to make what I want them to make. I want them to make SP games like HL and L4D again.
 
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