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Man killed after being "swatted" over $1 COD wager
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Even in American terms this is a pretty bad fuckup. SWATting has been a thing for years now in the states and this is the first time somebody has been shot, because most of the times American police are able to assess the situation and not shoot up the first person shaped target that silhouettes themselves in a window or doorway.
How to train someone like that, I don't know. Personally, I can't support someone when they kill someone because they "reached for their waistline". I can't. When I see someone do that, yes, of course it raises my alert level. However, if I don't see a weapon, then I don't see a threat that warrants me pulling the trigger. That's my personal stance on it. I wasn't trained to feel that way, and I wasn't trained to think that someone reaching for something means you can shoot them. That's just who I am.
my understanding is that good cops may exist temporarily
but the moment they try to do what a good cop would (report prosecute and witness against bad colleagues) they get forced out by the bad and the complacent cops
It isn't a gut reaction to a bad story. The police are never a force of good. If they ever help a normal person, it's by mistake or in the interests of their masters and in their role as protectors of private property.
Are police officers that incompetent that they cannot simply arrest someone and do a legit fact check about what they're being contacted for?
Like imagine someone going up to them and saying "YOOOO THERE'S A BOMBER IN THE MIDDLE OF CENTRAL PARK, NYC" and you just go off and immediately shoot them down?
Police Training is really showing its flaws. I expect them to be much smarter about crime prevention and potential misunderstandings, but then again, the gun replaced their brains, so why am I surprised that the police are run by idiots with zero critical thinking skills.
Like imagine someone going up to them and saying "YOOOO THERE'S A BOMBER IN THE MIDDLE OF CENTRAL PARK, NYC" and you just go off and immediately shoot them down?
Police Training is really showing its flaws. I expect them to be much smarter about crime prevention and potential misunderstandings, but then again, the gun replaced their brains, so why am I surprised that the police are run by idiots with zero critical thinking skills.
Yeah it's literally never the case in these situations that the cop is a victim. It's actually depressing to think that when this happens in America it's almost always the case that the cop probably killed someone without cause. And I'm so fucking tired of hearing and reading the "he reached for his waistband." It has become like a really bad, horrible joke.
So you think when F34R pushed those kids out of the way of a moving car and took the hit himself, he wasn't a force for good?:
Dude c'mon. Cops direct traffic during power outages and when there are wrecks, and they ummm... do a lot of stuff like that. Useful stuff. Filling a state's coffers for minor or non existent violations and killing or arresting people unjustly may be their modus operandi, but make no mistake they are needed.
I watched this show on Netflix the other day called Glitch. It's Aussie. The cop was very likable. In the first episode he had the equivalent of zombies coming at him (They were naked, dirty, people) who could have been piped up drug addicts or who knows and he took it all in stride and behaved in a fashion I'd consider appropriate (cautious yet not murderous). You may say it's just a show but I've seen footage of not only Australian cops but cops all over not being straight up cowards and this sort of behavior in American cops being accepted is just ridiculous. We complain more about the CEO of a video game company than we do about the behaviour of police and the people in charge of them.
That is a nice way to disrespect everyone on this forum who is or who knows family/friends that are officers. Your post is disgusting.
Apparently KeemStar interviews the person who did the swatting. Sorry if it's been posted.
He says it's a way to help aid the investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCHOI39nJPM (DramaAlert channel)
Matches the voice from 911 call
https://www.facebook.com/WichitaPolice/videos/10155490483674514/
He says it's a way to help aid the investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCHOI39nJPM (DramaAlert channel)
Matches the voice from 911 call
https://www.facebook.com/WichitaPolice/videos/10155490483674514/
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They were 28 and still arguing over a video game and threatening to swat each other? Jesus christ. And then this is the outcome. It's sad.
No. The police and their actions are disgusting.
This is just a dreadful thing to say and absolutely incorrect.
I dunno if anybody brought this up, and I am not trying to derail the thread or anything, but this incident is an obvious red flag for me. Modern games have instilled an addiction to gambling that has gone way too fucking far, and if the ESRB and other gaming censorship boards do not do something, and fast, yeah the government needs to intervene. Net Neutrality is a sign of what will happen in that case, but if lives are gonna be lost over some fucking polygons and a dollar, I really don't care.
absolutely fucking disgusting. So many of these kind of people really need a good ass beating man, they don't live in reality.
Confess what? Didn't he already tweet that he called the SWAT team, just insisted that he wasn't responsible because he wasn't the one who actually pulled the trigger?
User was banned for a day for victim blaming
Ignoring multiple verbals commands by law enforcement in a very tense situation is disgusting.
Panic is a real thing. Especially when people know cops kill people for no reason. When confronted people aren't always able to react as quickly as people want. I know I panic in bad situations and can't really cooperate with people.
Hm. My gut instinct is that it's an excuse for an exploitative video, but I'm admittedly not interested in watching the video to find out, so I guess that's all I can say about it.
So the cop didn't say "freeze put you're hands up" nothing just immediately opened fire. That's just sad swatting is not cool but this wouldn't been that big of a story if the cop had better judgement.
Prayers to his family
Prayers to his family
Rainbow Six Siege ProGamer KingGeorge got swatted a couple days ago live on stream
They suddenly stood in his room,he explained to them what probably happened(swatting),explained to them what he does and how twitch works and they left.
The hate on cops is so laughable and sad at the same time.
ALL cops are bad probably comes from some guys who got their weed confiscated at one point
They suddenly stood in his room,he explained to them what probably happened(swatting),explained to them what he does and how twitch works and they left.
The hate on cops is so laughable and sad at the same time.
ALL cops are bad probably comes from some guys who got their weed confiscated at one point
Definitely a large anarchist crowd in here. I don't deny there are several bad apples out of the thousands of law enforcement officers, but to say all cops are out murdering people is merely beating a dead horse of a failed ideology.
The person that was killed was a bystander, not someone participating. Why are you shrugging this off "all he had to do was just explain what swatting was and that would've been the end of it", that's the expectation?
The "hate" on cops comes from police shooting hundreds of people each year. And so many of you just shrug it off like the cops do absolutely nothing wrong and blame the victim, who in most cases winds up dead. Many unarmed and innocent. You don't get to do that for decades and expect people to trust you.
Is it that hard to say the cop fucked up? That's all you have to say, instead we're all "anarchist" because you don't want to say a simple truth.
You are LITERALLY in a news-topic about a situation why US cops are so dreaded and have a bad reputation. But sure, it's about "weed confiscation". What a fucking disgusting post.
we could have a thousand more threads for the next 100 years and somebody in 2117 will still ask 'lol you guys just hate all cops for no reason".
People won't understand until it happens to them. And by then it might be too late
Dude is a sick sociopath...lock him up
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alleged-swatting-hoax-ends-death-223700818.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alleged-swatting-hoax-ends-death-223700818.html
...how exactly? Twitch can't do jack shit about them. They just need to be hunted down and put in jail. Every single one of them. That will stop people from doing it. "Nothing happens, just a prank" etc nonsense is only happening because they get no real backlash.
from a poll of police for the 2016 presidential election:
so i mean it's pretty clear that 92% of cops are dumb af
so i mean it's pretty clear that 92% of cops are dumb af
Makes no sense for the police to open fire at someone opening or walking to a door or just shooting anyone in general at a reported hostage situation without having any details.
What the fuck man...
Also these kids should be charged with manslaughter, along with the officer and the caller.
What the fuck man...
Also these kids should be charged with manslaughter, along with the officer and the caller.
since american police is such a goddamn mess and can't keep their guns in their pants, people who engage in swatting should be charged with attempted murder to make the practice go away
Edited: just saw the post above about the keemstar interview.
regardless this guy is scum if thats the true swatter.
regardless this guy is scum if thats the true swatter.
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It's just a little non-specific. There's no such thing as a good cop not because every single person who works in the police is a morally bad person overall (I don't know how you'd even prove this if it were your claim) but rather because the job itself is fundamentally immoral, at least as constituted in America. The police force is the direct descendant of organizations that existed to murder union organizers and capture escaped slaves. It's structured such that police officers are heavily incentivized to harass minorities, brazenly steal from the populace, kill without thought or mercy at any time they decide it's justified, and protect other cops from punishment for the exact crimes they nominally exist to stop including theft, drug dealing, rape and murder. Any person who joins that institution and comes to understand how it really works is making a horrendously corrosive moral choice the moment they don't dedicate themselves to reforming it. That's what "there's no such thing as a good cop" is a (perhaps slightly short) summary of.
It makes perfect sense: there's some non-zero chance that that person just looks unarmed but is actually a crazed gun-toting murderer, and you can kill anyone as a cop and suffer no consequences so there's no reason not to immediately escalate to lethal violence except the personal morality that police training is explicitly designed to beat out of you.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192220999.html
^ Video of the incident. They gave a command and then fired almost immediately.
When is there a good reason for holding incorrect views and allowing it to inform an incorrect opinion about a huge part of our society? I can understand people's reasoning most definitely, there's a lot to hate, but that doesn't make make it a correct reason. There are terrible cops, there are racist cops, the whole system is racist, the whole system needs reform. I don't know how anyone can deny that. The fact is though other people have different experiences with police too, good ones. People have cops that are family members or friends, people they know are not pieces of shit. People have had their lives saved. The vast majority of cops have never killed or even had to fire their weapon. It's just wrong to say they are all evil and of course people are gonna call that out, ridiculous incorrect broad judgments are usually not well-received.
That being said the whole shebang needs reform and good cops aren't exempt from it, everyone needs to fall on the sword to move forward, good or bad, it's the only way. But that doesn't mean ignoring that those good cops are the necessary foundation for any shift in practices and need to be differentiated from the bad ones.
How many of those 'good cops' have seen their piece of shit co-workers do something wrong and reported it.
Because if they have and have kept silent? They're pieces of shit too.
That didn't happen here, nobody fired at someone opening or walking to a door. After the person opened the door and saw the police, he stepped outside, they told him to raise his hands, he did, then he reached down to his waste and quickly raised his hand back up halfway. The cop thought he may have been pulling a weapon out.
This is the tension, though. If you have a relative who's a cop and they've been a cop for years, they are very likely complicit in horrendous things, because as we've learned more about the internal operations of American police forces it's become clear that coverups for systemic false evidence, unjustified shootings, racial harassment, sexual abuse, and other horrible things are both extremely common and widespread within departments. Turning a blind eye to bad actions isn't the same as committing them directly, but done often enough and at a great enough scale it still becomes something that's impossible to justify or excuse. This case is a perfect example: if anyone on this particular force were a "good cop," they would demand that justice be served against their colleague who murdered an unarmed man through negligence or active disregard for human life. Instead, the police force as a whole will close ranks, there will be zero dissenting voices from police officers, and the officer in question will get away with no consequences for this heinous act. That complicity cuts strongly against the notion of "good" cops, rather than people who might have been good once but now turn a blind eye to injustice.
Just saw the body cam footage, like WTF?
Police: "Show your hands"
The guy the proceeds to put his hands up and in doing so they shoot him.
This is just as bad as the guy the cop told to crawl and all other commands and then shot him while he was crawling cause he went to pull up his pants that were falling off.
Both cops should be fired and charged.
Police: "Show your hands"
The guy the proceeds to put his hands up and in doing so they shoot him.
This is just as bad as the guy the cop told to crawl and all other commands and then shot him while he was crawling cause he went to pull up his pants that were falling off.
Both cops should be fired and charged.
I'm sure there are good cops, but honestly I don't want any police interaction at all for fear of the cop "fearing for his life" and shooting me randomly. They really need to do better. Require an education, pay for better training, and definitely raise the standard for people dealing with hostage situations and crisis situations. As it stands right now with the "I feared for my life" argument they have a license to murder.
Its likely a result of fewer and less powerful guns being in circulation, and long training periods, but you're right that this kind of thing doesn't tend to happen in Australia. I don't feel like people really fear cops like they seem to in the US. Cops in the US could definitely be doing better.