Man, DOOM on PC with keyboard and mouse is a completely different, much better game.

chrominance · Dec 23, 2019

I'm always amazed at people who can play console shooters well with a controller, because I am definitely not one of those. Even the most ideal scenario of a Steam Controller and using gyro (which is how I played Fallout 4 for a couple of nights via Steam Link) doesn't work quite as well as a mouse and keyboard for me. That said, people definitely can make controllers work, and if you grew up playing nothing but dual analog I can see why people would prefer it. But I grew up with Quake, so I don't think I'll ever really get used to dual analog for shooters.

Jaded Alyx · Dec 23, 2019

super-famicom said:
Was it? It's been so long I don't remember. I did play Quake the same way. Didn't use Mouse+Keyboard until Counter-Strike.

This was me until Half-Life.

Never looked back. I'll never play an fps with a controller.

Edit: or to be specific, with analog stick aiming.

vestan · Dec 23, 2019

JaseC said:
Nvidia's Vulkan demo did wonders for the game, and just in time, too.

Not even memeing when I say the release of this vid is when pre-release WoM started to get really positive. The dude playing here deserves a raise for singlehandedly convincing thousands to get the game.

TaterTots · Dec 23, 2019

Duxxy3 said:
Oh yes.

Maximo said:
144hz playing DOOM is beyond amazing.

Not trying to derail the thread, but I've had a question about this for awhile. What kind of hardware is needed to hit 144fps in modern games? My 5700 XT aint doing it unless the games are kind of old. What hardware ya'll rockin?

JahIthBer · Dec 23, 2019

Duxxy3 said:
Did you play it with a 144hz monitor?

For some reason, Doom 2016 looks especially good at 144hz, maybe it's due to it's motion blur.

TaterTots said:
Not trying to derail the thread, but I've had a question about this for awhile. What kind of hardware is needed to hit 144fps in modern games? My 5700 XT aint doing it unless the games are kind of old. What hardware ya'll rockin?

Your not allowed to game on PC with anything but a liquid cooled 2080 Ti. but really, for 144hz at 1440p, you need to turn down some settings & have a good CPU, at 1080p you have more freedom though. Shadows get turned down first for me along with volumetrics.

SirMossyBloke · Dec 23, 2019

RedlineRonin said:
Playin on my 65" OLED in 7.1 is worth the trade off any day of the week for me. And the elite controller ain't half bad. Really enjoyed the game too. More than most FPS titles.

Yep, Dolby Atmos and HDR are what I crave way more than anything above 60fps.

Although I do it all on PC anyway.

Chopchop · Dec 23, 2019

I can understand that. In a heated fight, your aim snaps around so often that it would basically be a different game on a controller.

BeI · Dec 23, 2019

Some pretty beast m+kb gameplay here:

RedlineRonin · Dec 23, 2019

SirMossyBloke said:
Yep, Dolby Atmos and HDR are what I crave way more than anything above 60fps.

Although I do it all on PC anyway.

Yep! Same.

Doom was unfortunately right at the edge of when all of those were more readily available. HDR has gotten so much more prevalent and spatial audio is where HDR was in ~2016 but it'll get better.

I do get the perspective tho. Still not worth the trade off for me in most cases.

I do however play Overwatch at 1080/120 on my C7 bc there's no HDR ☹️

tuxfool · Dec 23, 2019

I get so bored playing shooters on regular gamepads. Kb and mouse is the way to go.

I also find the Steam controller to be acceptable, in a pinch.

hoserx · Dec 23, 2019

I tried playing it on console recently and it's like........... very frustrating have to deal with the sticks. Mouse for life.

breadtruck · Dec 23, 2019

All FPS shooters seem to benefit from kb&m.

Arklite · Dec 23, 2019

I find KBM a lot better for first person horror games as well. You'll find yourself nervously looking around and it adds a certain element of connection that you lose on a controller. Old recordings I have of Alien Isolation and RE7 tell a whole tale of what I'm feeling.

RochHoch · Dec 23, 2019

Enjoyed that game just fine on PS4, will play Eternal on console as well.

Marble · Dec 23, 2019

While the game is boring and repetitive, sounds to me you're just not really good with a controller. Because it feels tight as fuck and very fast on consoles. And you do know you can crank up the sensitivity?

Boiled Goose said:
Playing shooters with analogue sticks has always been a joke. There's a reason autoaim exists and there's a reason people ask for gyro

You're a joke for calling "aim assist" "auto aim". Keep practicing and you will be fine.

SirMossyBloke said:
Yep, Dolby Atmos and HDR are what I crave way more than anything above 60fps.

Although I do it all on PC anyway.

DOOM doesn't have HDR.

elenarie · Dec 23, 2019

Playing DOOM on PC on the hardest difficulty is something else. :) I love every second of it, have played through it multiple times.

Sorry for the bad quality, but holy hell, this game is such a pure joy.

Laserbeam · Dec 23, 2019

I haven't PC gamed in years now, but this is something I still recognize as truth.

I've adjusted very well to console FPS controls though. Doom felt great to me on the PS4.

Deleted member 2474 · Dec 23, 2019

TaterTots said:
Not trying to derail the thread, but I've had a question about this for awhile. What kind of hardware is needed to hit 144fps in modern games? My 5700 XT aint doing it unless the games are kind of old. What hardware ya'll rockin?

for DOOM specifically a 5700 xt should do 1080/144 in vulkan easily, and 1440p for the most part as well.

Theswweet · Dec 23, 2019

detuned radios said:
for DOOM specifically a 5700 xt should do 1080/144 in vulkan easily, and 1440p for the most part as well.

It's definitely fine for 1080p/144. Hell, I can average around 120+ FPS at 1440p on my OC'd Vega 56.

Boiled Goose · Dec 23, 2019

Marble said:
While the game is boring and repetitive, sounds to me you're just not really good with a controller. Because it feels tight as fuck and very fast on consoles. And you do know you can crank up the sensitivity?

You're a joke for calling "aim assist" "auto aim". Keep practicing and you will be fine.

DOOM doesn't have HDR.

Semantics. It's not precise enough so aiming has to be assisted.

It's a fundamentally inaccurate aiming method.

Mauricio_Magus · Dec 23, 2019

FPS with a keyboard/mouse is the only way to go.

tuxfool · Dec 23, 2019

Marble said:
You're a joke for calling "aim assist" "auto aim". Keep practicing and you will be fine.

Within a certain radius that is exactly what it is. That is how it works, it magnetizes your reticle or hitscan to a target.

Is it absolute? No. But it is an auto aim function.

SirMossyBloke · Dec 23, 2019

Marble said:
DOOM doesn't have HDR.

I know. It doesnt have Dolby Atmos either.

shaneo632 · Dec 23, 2019

Yup I played it in 4K on PC with a MKB after previously playing in PS4 and Switch and I blew my load.

Log! · Dec 23, 2019

tomofthepops said:
Clicking a mouse to shoot doesn't feel as good as using a trigger, am I a weirdo ?

Get a controller with a gyro and set it to output as a mouse in the controller configuration in Steam.
Bam, best of both worlds.

Rizific · Dec 23, 2019

Replace "doom" with "every fps ever". The genre is one of the reasons why my main platform is pc. Not gonna put up with shitty sticks if I can help it.

Cloud-Strife · Dec 23, 2019

PC is the way to go for 1st and 3rd person shooters.. just listen to Henry Canvill.. PC is the way

Windu · Dec 23, 2019

lol yep. I definitely wish m/k was standard as an option for alot of games on console, especially fps. Seems like we are starting to get there, after Microsoft added support, devs started adding more support in games on both consoles. And well Doom is meant to be fast, so no surprise that you liked it better with m/k.

TaterTots · Dec 23, 2019

Theswweet said:
It's definitely fine for 1080p/144. Hell, I can average around 120+ FPS at 1440p on my OC'd Vega 56.

I'm sure I can hit those framerates on DOOM, but games that are just coming out and in the future? Seems like 144hz is especially good for esport titles, which aren't that demanding.

PC-tan · Dec 23, 2019

RedlineRonin said:
Playin on my 65" OLED in 7.1 is worth the trade off any day of the week for me. And the elite controller ain't half bad. Really enjoyed the game too. More than most FPS titles.

Does it support high FPS as well?

Gallows Bat · Dec 23, 2019

Definitely better on pc but I had zero issues getting the plat on ps4? I always bump up sensitivity quite a bit in fps games when I can though so maybe that helped? I never play anything except mmos and 4x on pc either so I guess I'm weird.

RedlineRonin · Dec 23, 2019

PC-tan said:
Does it support high FPS as well?

Well I'm on a C7, which is a 2016 model, so I have to pick between 4K60 HDR or 1080/120hz HDR but C9 (this year's) and on have HDMI 2.1 so it supports 4K120 and HDR.

Deleted member 2474 · Dec 23, 2019

TaterTots said:
I'm sure I can hit those framerates on DOOM, but games that are just coming out and in the future? Seems like 144hz is especially good for esport titles, which aren't that demanding.

generally 144hz is for twitch shooters and competitive multiplayer games - the big cinematic graphical powerhouses are generally going to struggle to run at 144hz (especially at 1440p+) on anything. even a 2080 ti won't hit 144fps in RDR2 at 1080p high settings (much less 1440p), for instance. for those cases, that's where stuff like freesync and g-sync can come in handy, to help prevent judder when running at sub-144hz on high refresh rate displays. you can often still get a better-than-60fps experience on such monitors even if you can't hit the full 144hz.

Rosenkrantz · Dec 23, 2019

I mean, even people from id joked about it during gameplay reveal of Eternal, it went like "now as you've seen how it can be played on consoles, let's see how it really should be played". Stick is simply inferior to a mouse when it comes down to aiming.

TheAndyMan · Dec 23, 2019

Yeah, this is why it's called the PC Master Race. Welcome to the club.

Marble · Dec 24, 2019

Boiled Goose said:
Semantics. It's not precise enough so aiming has to be assisted.

It's a fundamentally inaccurate aiming method.

It's fine. Watch some footage of a good YouTube player. There are also games without aim assist, like Shadowfall.

tuxfool said:
Within a certain radius that is exactly what it is. That is how it works, it magnetizes your reticle or hitscan to a target.

Is it absolute? No. But it is an auto aim function.

RDR has auto aim. It's nothing like aim assist. You have no idea.

Windu said:
lol yep. I definitely wish m/k was standard as an option for alot of games on console, especially fps. Seems like we are starting to get there, after Microsoft added support, devs started adding more support in games on both consoles. And well Doom is meant to be fast, so no surprise that you liked it better with m/k.

LOL. A mouse is an option on consoles literally for more than 10 years now. I even used several on PS3 back in the days. I prefer a controller with real triggers and analog movement nowadays, even though a mouse is more accurate.

Deleted member 12790 · Dec 24, 2019

Now go and play an old school WRPG with a keyboard and mouse.

KB&M is seriously such a great gaming input device.

Genio88 · Dec 24, 2019

Every FPS is better on PC with mouse and keyboard, actually every game is better on a good PC even with a controller

Blade Wolf · Dec 24, 2019

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the console version but yeah I can imagine PC being way more responsive.

spam musubi · Dec 24, 2019

Marble said:
It's fine. Watch some footage of a good YouTube player. There are also games without aim assist, like Shadowfall.

RDR has auto aim. It's nothing like aim assist. You have no idea.

LOL. A mouse is an option on consoles literally for more than 10 years now. I even used several on PS3 back in the days. I prefer a controller with real triggers and analog movement nowadays, even though a mouse is more accurate.

You can get pretty good with sticks if you put in a lot of time, sure. However the ability to to a very fast movement within the span of like 180 degrees or more, with an instant start or stop, is literally just impossible on sticks. They are an acceleration based control method, as opposed to the direct control of a mouse. A god tier stick player can probably defeat an average mouse player, but on comparable levels of skill it's just not comparable because the input methods are fundamentally different.

commish · Dec 24, 2019

I feel like I'm stepping back to 2004. Unless I'm playing a competitive FPS, controllers are just fine. And this is coming from one of the biggest FPS snobs for many years.

mogwai00 · Dec 24, 2019

DOOM with a controller is great.
With the agility, the precision and the possibility to bind every single weapon of K + M is another (far superior) experience.

Windu · Dec 24, 2019

Marble said:
LOL. A mouse is an option on consoles literally for more than 10 years now. I even used several on PS3 back in the days. I prefer a controller with real triggers and analog movement nowadays, even though a mouse is more accurate.

Yes I know... Its becoming more prevalent though. Its in more games nowadays on console. I expect that to only increase with time, especially now that cross play is a thing and Microsoft finally decided to join in the fun with m/k support. Its good to have more control options.

skeezx · Dec 24, 2019

last fps i played with a controller/on console was Destiny 1 because i had to obviously. i never found shooters with a controller to be particularly terrible but i sure as hell won't go back to it either, like even if my PC was a beater and i had a hypothetical PS5 Pro that played doom eternal at 8K/120fps or some shit

Oreoleo · Dec 24, 2019

"Man, [every FPS ever] on PC with keyboard and mouse is a completely different, much better game."

Yup.

ADS · Dec 24, 2019

Marble said:
While the game is boring and repetitive, sounds to me you're just not really good with a controller. Because it feels tight as fuck and very fast on consoles. And you do know you can crank up the sensitivity?

If you haven't played through Doom on PC I'd highly recommend doing so. It's a completely different game than on console. It's one of those games where looking at footage it's immediately obvious when it's being played on controller since the movement is just ... wrong.

Rosenkrantz · Dec 24, 2019

commish said:
I feel like I'm stepping back to 2004. Unless I'm playing a competitive FPS, controllers are just fine. And this is coming from one of the biggest FPS snobs for many years.

Nobody's saying they're not fine, they're perfectly functional and can be satisfying if controls were implemented properly. The thing is, KB&M is still a superior input method for shooters (or games with huge item/unit management, can't beat the hotkeys).

VaporSnake · Dec 24, 2019

Wolfenstein is a different game as well, you always hear about how unfairly difficult the second game is, specifically the courthouse sequence, when I really don't think it's unfair at all on keyboard and mouse. It's not a walk in the park but it's certainly not brutally unfair like I've heard from many people that I trust.

Deleted member 55164 · Dec 24, 2019

Thinking of jumping back into PC Doom actually. Hows the multiplayer these days?

Its that or Quake Champions...yeah...

Theswweet · Dec 24, 2019

NVM wrong thread

Man, DOOM on PC with keyboard and mouse is a completely different, much better game.

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