The more ISIS makes others fear Islam and Muslims, the more attacks or situations like these happen.
Which of course leads to anger amongst muslims and more goddamn recruits for ISIS.
It's a stupidly vicious cycle.
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Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)
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Which of course leads to anger amongst muslims and more goddamn recruits for ISIS.
It's a stupidly vicious cycle.
ISIS is obviously the scum of the earth, what's your point?
Pretty weird all these sub 100 posters with accounts from 2017 just popping in here like this.
In this case Europe is in the center as well. At least according to the asshole who did the shooting...
I lived in Christchurch 10 years ago and still have some school friends from there. Between this and the two earthquakes that have rocked their community since then, I don't know who's left of the friends I used to have. I remember a Muslim girl who was popular with everyone and wore the Hijab. I don't remember her name. I hope she's alright.
Completely? Republicans suck but other countries have bigots in politics. Just look at the other massive thread about the Australian shitbag senator.
Reducing it to just an American far right phenomenon is actually kinda insulting.
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Yeah exchanging one extreme for the other sure is a good evolution...
Parts of America are currently a breeding ground for white supremacy. Hell, the shooter mentions the POTUS by name in his document...
Edit: Meaning while America shouldn't be the focus of talks, it also shouldn't be left out.
THIS is my main takeaway. White supremecy organizations aren't taken seriosuly. the FBI follow pan african militant groups who want to police their own communitites, but some kid posting nazi violence gets glossed over. I don't think white people care.
Yeah it's pretty apparent that white fascism is a global scourge at this point, and it's arguably progressed further in some places than in the US (see Hungary).
They don't give two shits about other muslims' lives. All they want is attention.
What in the actual fuck. New Zealand, of all places.
What I find a bit shocking is that he was apparently playing Serb Chetnik songs just before shooting, with Karadzic being one of his idols. Not that it doesn't fit (Breivik did something similar), but the fact that nationalistic fuel from my small region in Europe found root all the way in fucking NEW ZEALAND. The guy doesn't even have anything to do with the Balkans (unless he has ancestry)! It's a bit mindblowing, honestly.
What I find a bit shocking is that he was apparently playing Serb Chetnik songs just before shooting, with Karadzic being one of his idols. Not that it doesn't fit (Breivik did something similar), but the fact that nationalistic fuel from my small region in Europe found root all the way in fucking NEW ZEALAND. The guy doesn't even have anything to do with the Balkans (unless he has ancestry)! It's a bit mindblowing, honestly.
People are so far up their own ass, everything has to be about the USA.
I didn't read the manifesto so I could be missing parts
Countries import America's propaganda and bigotry. It's the effect of a country being considered a global leader.
All these right wing peeps like Peterson, Sharpio, and the like have far wide reach and influence due to the web. It is what it is, Clown Pres ascending to power helped push and usher a global right wing influence
And for the record when I said insulting I didnt mean to Americans, I'm American and will fully admit we have huge institutional and personal levels of bigotry. It's insulting to people worldwide who face daily bigotry.
Well, that's better than usual for fox honestly. Usually it'd be mass shooting lone wolf mental problems blah blah blah there's nothing that can be done to stop it thoughts and prayers.
Is this clear enough?
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Michael Skolnik
All of these are terrorist incidents. We have a responsibility to understand how white supremacy + online radicalization works, because it is impacting our entire society. President Trump defunded Federal programs designed to fight the spread of white supremacist hate groups.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Michael Skolnik
All of these are terrorist incidents. We have a responsibility to understand how white supremacy + online radicalization works, because it is impacting our entire society. President Trump defunded Federal programs designed to fight the spread of white supremacist hate groups.
Peterson is Canadian. Other countries had far right wing leaders beforr Trump. I'm not saying America isnt at fault but the original post I quoted was reductionist.
It is and it isn't. There's a running, "Thoughts and Prayers" meme thats been flying around in US twitter after the last few shootings where hardcore gun politicos throw it up as the detacto response when asked to comment on their hatred of gun regulation. You see the same here with various islamaphobes doing the same with this tragedy.
She's 100% right, its just the right is weaponizing it as her being anti-religion because socialism. But bad timing because of the mosque aspect. But thanks to Trump you can now use 'warmest sympathy', lll
New Zealand's gun control measures don't seem that much tighter than other western countries aside from the US. Gun owners apparently need a license but don't need to register their guns, and there's one gun for every three people. The NRA deserves the shit she's giving them regardless because they would completely kill those regulations in NZ and everywhere else if they could.
This is an elected Australian Senator....
Are you fucking shitting me?
This fucking asshole shouting "The Truth" about Islam whilst quoting the fucking Bible?
Holy fucking shit what a fucking moron
i remember in an old thread i was mocked for criticizing american politics while not being american
this is why
There was a video with the manifesto that was all about birthrates in European countries and the number of immigrants coming in and how white people will be extict in so many years blah blah
When the man himself points to Donald Trump as inspiration. People can absolutely correlate the two.
This is an elected Australian Senator....
What... what is this?
I... I don't even know what to say. Or what can I say.
Report him on Twitter. These are the kinds of people that need deplatformed.
The sad thing about this is how many US Republicans wish they could say this because that is how they actually feel, they just have a slight bit more intellegence not to open this door than this asshole.
Fox News just decided to add a "both sides" context to it, huh?
Typical.
Really nice to see people like this.
I found out about her recently, she's brilliant - no nonsense.
gee what possibly go wrong with the idea of posting government funded armed security outside of religious buildings? surely we can trust that all religions will be treated with fairness and respect and none of them will get massively preferential treatment
We really need more people in the government & media especially calling these disgusting acts of terror for what they really are. This fucking infestation has spread globally and is taking more innocent lives and must be stopped at all costs asap.
True, but placing the primary blame on the US just seems a little irresponsible. Trump having such a prominent place of power in the world stage certainly emboldened white supremacists world wide, I'll agree with that. But these views existed long before. There was Anders Breivik before Trump came around.
I think we are capable of discerning between hate speech (especially those that are actionable) and disagreements about abortion etc.
I also don't think we should be playing both sides here. Unequivocally, places like 8chan should be shutdown and those who use such websites to propagate hate and bigotry should be held responsible imo. Again our laws have to change to adapt to the festering nature of social media and the Internet writ large.
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This is an elected Australian Senator....
This may as well be Donald Trump, minus the clarity.
With live streaming becoming a more common and easy thing to do I had a fear this was going to happen sooner rather than later. It's the best way for these shooters to let the world know who they are and what they are capable of. I will never watch that video and I advise other people even with a mild curiosity to not. That's the kind of content that you will never forget.
Understandable.
This is the a big part of the problem that we're having in the US and worldwide. White Americans are being reconditioned to normalize white supremacist terrorism right before our eyes.
Yeah, this Walid Phares guy seems like a real piece of work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Phares#Views_on_Islam
I agree with this so much. I am Muslim, raising my daughters as Muslim, but teaching them that our faith is a choice we make, and there are many religions and faiths in the world and people are free to choose what they believe or not believe, that it is a personal choice, and that everybody's choice should be respected. As they grow older, also showing them examples of the hate that takes place when people don't respect this choice, whether the victim is Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Mormon or Ahmadi, etc...