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[Major Spoilers] One of the endings in Catherine: Full Body gets extremely transphobic... moreso than that original (OP Updated Feb. 17)
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What happened in P3? I just played through it last summer and I don't remember there being anything on the level of P5.
They're from a country where nobody cares about these issues.
I mean there's sensible and then there's down right disrespectful.
I don't think anyone was expecting them to triple down on their transphobia.
Man what the fuck? I loved Erica. There were times where she was handled fine, with Vincent and the others being close with her and seemingly embracing who she was. But then there were moments like Vincent saying shit like "I'd appreciate this advice more from a woman" and of course Toby wanting his stupid "v-card" back.
This is an Atlus exclusive problem. Other Japanese game companies don't have this issue.
Oh Atlus, maybe read your feedback sometime? There was a very clear learning experience that you clearly missed and now you're going to get your face rubbed in it. You might consider how you deal with the US release carefully.
It's clear Atlus, the Japanese branch at the very least, thinks that LGBT people aren't worthy of being treated with dignity and respect. It's a pattern over and over again :(.
The beach secene where the guys are trying to get laid ends with the only girls interested in them being trans. Of course all the guys freak out and the game paints the trans girls as men. It is thankfully absent from the FeMC route in Persona 3 Portable.
Right?? And like in Persona 4 they fuck it up with their main characters even.
It's not a Japan thing, it's an everywhere thing. The Hangover Part II was just eight years ago and the transgender jokes would infuriate Era if the movie came out today, and this is just one example.
And a Japanese reality TV show from last year called REA(L)OVE had a transgender woman in it and was pretty progressive about it. In every culture, some people are more familiar with these issues than others, but the world as a whole is still just not too familiar with these things, even America. ResetEra is a progressive bubble.
Disappointing to see them triple down on the transphobic BS. And the fact that they're a Japanese company doesn't excuse them, because there's been some fairly respectful trans rep like from Zombieland Saga and The Missing. Whoever pulls some weight as far as writing goes seems to really love shitting on LGBT+ stuff.
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Persona 3 has the beach sequence where a transwoman tries to trick the teenage boys into going back to her place so she can sexually assault them.
That's not true. Blame the individuals making these mistakes, not a whole country. This happens --always-- specifically with Hashino games.
Eh....it's unfortunately pretty common for any game that actually has transgender characters.
Edit: Updating since I can't name any examples. It is true that there's plenty of other Japanese game companies who don't have this problem.
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If they still want to sell their games globally, they need to pretend that they fucking care by apologizing and not doing it again. Or they are not getting my business anymore.
FeMC is the best route continues to be confirmed.
Ever since the PSP version came out I've never gone back to MC.
Wait, when they go back in time, do they still make Rin gay, or "fix" Rin by turning hims straight?
No one is holding them accountable. Their sales aren't dropping. They have fans who will defend them no matter what.
ATLUS doesn't see any problems.
honestly asking which ones. Cause I haven't heard or seen this in other games other than just stereotypes.
The Orientalism in this thread...
Wandering Son, Super Paper Mario, Zombieland Saga... All have told trans stories/characters well. Different works from different media. This isn't about Japan, this is about Hashino being a POS and not getting the callout he deserves from ATLUS. You don't see this shit in SMTIV, you don't see this shit in TMS#FE.
Hashino is the dude that said you couldn't have female friends. Hashino is the dude that said a girl going back to her rural city didn't make sense. Hashino told it was.not worth it to make a female protagonist. He's the POS, not Japan.
Wandering Son, Super Paper Mario, Zombieland Saga... All have told trans stories/characters well. Different works from different media. This isn't about Japan, this is about Hashino being a POS and not getting the callout he deserves from ATLUS. You don't see this shit in SMTIV, you don't see this shit in TMS#FE.
Hashino is the dude that said you couldn't have female friends. Hashino is the dude that said a girl going back to her rural city didn't make sense. Hashino told it was.not worth it to make a female protagonist. He's the POS, not Japan.
But they made the original game, which was already phobic? And Studio Zero involves many of the same people? These new storylines were written by Hashino, and drawn by Soejima?
Seems like a distinction without a difference really...
Luka's a fucking mess too, but at least I came out of that chapter thinking that they tried, y'know? I guess it's not my place to extend that praise, and that first scene with them sure fucking sucked, but I felt like they at least were trying to tell a sympathetic story even if the gender stuff became a bit of a bizarre mess.
In comparison, this is on an entirely different level of ignorant bullshit.
Did they change this is P3P? I just remember her giving dating advice.
And this is baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Whoo! I'm gonna need a shower. Maybe reread Hanayome wa Motodanshi.
Yeah, I won't be buying anymore games from Atlus until they show that they can depict LGBTQ issues and characters with respect.
What if they go the CDPR route and apologize "if you were offended"? What happens then?
The goal of this ending apparently is that the character gets to be with their lover as a Gay Man rather than a woman.
This was probably done to attempt Gay relationships in their games only that they traded in their trans character and implied the transition made her "miserable" to my understanding
And now you guys know why Atlus do these kinda of stuff, I have always been vocal about it, they just don't give a fuck about anything. they do whatever the fuck they want without appalling anyone.
To be honest, I can't name any off the top of my head...but I can't really think of other games that really get into the subject either. My general memory is that it's generally been bad when the subject comes up (I know that's not good reasoning without specific examples).
I can imagine the tone deaf conversation that decided it now.
"Hm, people didn't like our gay jokes in Persona..."
"Let's make one of our next characters gay... Hrm, there's the Catherine rerelease."
"Oh yeah and I know just the character!"
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To be honest, fuck whoever decided this. We all knew this game would be ridiculously transphobic going into it but little did we know it wouldn't be because of Qatherine....
"Hm, people didn't like our gay jokes in Persona..."
"Let's make one of our next characters gay... Hrm, there's the Catherine rerelease."
"Oh yeah and I know just the character!"
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To be honest, fuck whoever decided this. We all knew this game would be ridiculously transphobic going into it but little did we know it wouldn't be because of Qatherine....
The sad part is they probably see themselves as doing a good thing in this regards.
"See, we made this person comfortable with their homosexuality instead of becoming a freak instead! :D "
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If their response is that shitty, fuck them.What if they go the CDPR route and apologize "if you were offended"? What happens then?
People's reaction and praise of Persona 4 convinced them that they could tackle these social issues... which they obviously can't. You'll notice that any of the *actual* SMT games don't have these problems, even Apocalypse which was clearly aiming for a younger Persona audience.
I'm actually fucking crying right now because I'm so fucking furious that they keep doing this shit. I need to calm down.
I can't believe we hit the lowest point of this kind of shit in gaming in fucking 2019!
By the way, one of the best trans representation I've seen in gaming is from a Japanese game that came out last year. Japan isn't the problem, it's Atlus.
By the way, one of the best trans representation I've seen in gaming is from a Japanese game that came out last year. Japan isn't the problem, it's Atlus.
JJ Macfield and the Island of Memories
I really hope he sticks to Project Re Fantasy and doesn't direct the next Persona, I feel like he needs to work on games with settings far removed from the real world after stuff like this, if he should be allowed to continue directing at all
No idea if the Persona 2 and P3P writers are still at Atlus but I'd love it if they could take over the Persona series in particular
And remember guys, in Persona 2: Innocent Sin, the main character could state his love for his male childhood friend. In a game from 1998.
People had some real blinders on when it came to Persona 4, because a weirdly large number of people came away from it thinking Kanji was supposed to be gay and Naoto was supposed to be trans, even though the game beats you over the head that that's not the case.