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Does Wedge die (for realsies!) in this scene?

  • Yep, he's done and dusted. Splattered on the ground.

    Votes: 56 22.8%
  • Nope, the scene faded to black to hide the fact that he lives.

    Votes: 99 40.2%
  • Nope, he died, but he survived because something-something-something fate ghosts.

    Votes: 80 32.5%
  • I don't even remember this scene?

    Votes: 11 4.5%

  • Total voters
    246

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,283
Midgar, With Love
Here's a fun one. Or "fun," depending on how much you like or dislike it! We've got the whole ending shebang that everyone has discussed to death, including the survival of Biggs and fairly, if not rock-solidly, implied survival of Jessie. There's also the Zack schtick, which everybody and their mother is still going on about nearly a year later.

But what about Wedge...?



To my mild surprise, several of my friends didn't even think about this until after the fact, when I broached the subject with them one-on-one. This sequence is so abrupt, and its abruptness extends to its execution -- it fades to black rather than showing us Wedge's demise outright. The whole thing lasts less than a minute. Some I've spoken with have cited all that as a reason to believe he's not dead. Others have (understandably) pointed to the, uh, we'll call it "elasticity" of other characters' survival odds in Remake and told me that's plenty enough evidence to suggest likewise.

Yet here's where things get murky, and by murky, I mean murky even within the bounds of Remake's controversial live-or-let-die narrative tomfrakkery. If Wedge lives, how come it's not even remotely hinted at during the ending, which is chock full of "zomg, wait" gotcha moments in that regard? We also hear what are clearly intended to be his last words here, ringing in a way that heralds some of his final dialogue in the original game. To top it all off, and as a genuine fan of Remake I hate to use this as evidence here, but the awkwardness of it is not unlike the writers in other aspects of the game's final chapters. I gotta say, I could see Kitase and Nojima remarking in a couple of years that "they were unaware fans thought otherwise." :P

The last possibility is that this was sort of a fakeout fade-to-black for the purposes of leaving the door open for Wedge's return in case the writers ever decide to pull that card, rather than because they already intend to do so. I can easily see this one being the case.

Okay, you know, no, wait, there's one more possibility: Wedge does, in fact, die here; but defeating the fate ghosts brings his survival back into the equation. At that point, we're going full Psycho Square Enix Mode, but hey, c'est la Venus.

What say you, Era?
 

King_Moc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,126
I think they're going to hint the universe wants to kill him as he should have died at the pillar, in order to make us all believe Aeris can survive. Then they're gonna kill Aeris.

But then, they stopped the ghosts, so who knows.
 

Saray

Member
Nov 26, 2018
630
It would have been pretty stupid for him to remain alive when he is supposed to die, only to die later in that absurd way.

I vote alive, otherwise they would have killed him at the pillar tower.
 

mookie1515

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,312
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I think he'll come back, but it was a really weird scene.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,771
I love that to some people some characters not immediately dying = the writers are wimps. We still have at the very least two more parts of the game to see what the ultimate fate is of the Avalanche crew.

It just feels like such transparent signposting that they plan to erase Aeris' death, if they won't even kill off total nobodies like Biggs and Wedge.
 

CJohn

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,036
I didn't even remembered this scene and I finished the game like a week ago.
 

Gunny T Highway

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
17,027
Canada
He's alive because the ghosts failed to kill him. Now that the fate ghosts are dead he will stay alive.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,072
They didn't explicitly show the character's demise so he's obviously alive and kicking.

Faking the Dead is pretty ubiquitous in Japanese games (I'm looking at you Yakuza).
 

Arkeband

Banned
Nov 8, 2017
7,663
Off screen, he's caught by a Sephiroth clone who carts him off to a lab to be transformed into a sad callback chapter boss for when they need to make "meaningful" filler.
 

Musubi

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
23,611
It just feels like such transparent signposting that they plan to erase Aeris' death, if they won't even kill off total nobodies like Biggs and Wedge.
or they could be deliberately signaling this to just do the same thing in a different way. Which is honestly my guess as to what goes down. One of the most key scenes in the game a lot of people probably didn't even see because depending on your choices you can get Aerith, Tifa or Barret and that's the dream sequence after staying over at Aerith's Mom's house. If Aerith appears she talks to cloud in his dream and makes him promise to not get attached to her. There is this part of Aerith that clearly seems to know her ultimate fate is to become one with the lifestream so she can stop meteor.

In case you haven't seen it:

 

Tora

The Enlightened Wise Ones
Member
Jun 17, 2018
8,640
Biggs? Probably dead. Jessie is probably alive but man do I hate when games do this
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,771
or they could be deliberately signaling this to just do the same thing in a different way. Which is honestly my guess as to what goes down. One of the most key scenes in the game a lot of people probably didn't even see because depending on your choices you can get Aerith, Tifa or Barret and that's the dream sequence after staying over at Aerith's Mom's house. If Aerith appears she talks to cloud in his dream and makes him promise to not get attached to her. There is this part of Aerith that clearly seems to know her ultimate fate is to become one with the lifestream so she can stop meteor.

In case you haven't seen it:



Right, but all of those things happen BEFORE you murder destiny. That seems to be the point of the story - "Aeris knows her ultimate fate, so you kill destiny to free her from it".
 

Arex

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,509
Indonesia
Well anyway if he fell to death his body would've fallen on to the elevator (or the one next to it) where Aerith and Barret were on. I think they would've seen him :p
 

Tornak

Member
Feb 7, 2018
8,395
Whatever his fate is, the execution of this scene is as awkward and drawn out as the huge majority of scenes with the Whispers.

Like I felt nothing even if I really liked Remake Wedge and was dreading the time of his demise the whole time I was playing.
 

pbayne

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,377
Hes the true big bad duh.
Best buds Cloud and Sephy gonna team up to stop Nega-Wedge from taking over the universe.
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,228
Jessie was a joy in the game, but if they try to walk back that hokey death scene then I don't know what to say, because that scene would ultimately just be a waste of time
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,533
That was such a weird scene, probably he is alive and they just want to make us think he is dead? I really don't know, it wasn't a good cutscene at all
 

lvl 99 Pixel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,706
If you die off screen in a vague way you're not dead. If he died there then i'll laugh because it was not a good scene at all.
 

Viale

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,617
Jessie was a joy in the game, but if they try to walk back that hokey death scene then I don't know what to say, because that scene would ultimately just be a waste of time
Personally I'm convinced all the death scenes were a waste of time, and we're going to meetup with Jessie at Golden Saucer due to destiny rewrites.

I'd be shocked if she wasn't brought back at all though. Bring back Biggs, Wedge, and even fucking Zack? Jessie def alive somewhere.
 

Musubi

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
23,611
Right, but all of those things happen BEFORE you murder destiny. That seems to be the point of the story - "Aeris knows her ultimate fate, so you kill destiny to free her from it".

See that's the thing I think this is less about Aerith surviving and more that Aerith's consciousness in the lifestream traveling back to another timeline not so that she can live but that humanity as a whole can live. Because while its not like 100% spelled out its greatly implied that humanity was still wiped out by the results of holy and meteor clashing. That is what I think is going to ultimately change. They find a way to beat sephiroth without wiping all human existence from the planet.
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,228
Personally I'm convinced all the death scenes were a waste of time, and we're going to meetup with Jessie at Golden Saucer due to destiny rewrites.

I'd be shocked if she wasn't brought back at all though. Bring back Biggs, Wedge, and even fucking Zack? Jessie def alive somewhere.

Fair point. I hypothesized that events in Remake were "new canon" and the finale was re-writing "old canon" only (everything pre-2021), but you may be correct
 
Oct 30, 2017
9,215
Supposedly he DIES this time because the whispers of fate corrected the unwritten fate for him surviving.

But again the writers could bring him back later on.. so I don't know and this is why I didn't vote lol.