VII R is not a button masher and is actually much closer to the original VII gameplay than not.
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Mainline Final Fantasy potentially going full action - what are your thoughts?
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That's fair...I get being disappointed that a series no longer provides the type of experience that it once did. That said, I guess I just take umbrage with people saying that action combat is inherently bad...
High key i think 4 years from now, maybe even less theres gonna be some major pushback against action rpgs as they turn more and more into just straight up character action games in the same vein as resident evil. If this basically turns into something akin to DMC than people are gonna ask the question of what is a final fantasy game? Is it this? Are we sure turn based games dont sell? And so on
They are trying new stuff so thats good. I have a feeling this will be the best Final Fantasy of the last 20 years.
I mean going full action, by the looks of it, and not some mix like they ve been doing
As long as the combat is fun, the story is good, and the characters are engaging I'm fine with any direction FF goes in.
I can deal as long as it looks more fluid than what they showed and if they make items and status effects more relevant than they were in 7R. I absolutely adore that game, but wish they were much more mean in encounters and forced you to do things that weren't just attacks and heal HP in battle.
Like I mentioned in another thread...
If they go action, go full on DMC/Neir Automata action and fully commit to it, not 1 button combos that give you the illusion you're a badass without the actual effort (like FFXV).
If they go strategy, commit to strategic play like FFXII.
Even better if they gave you a choice between the two. I just don't want watered down action or dumbed down strategy... whatever they decide to do.
If they go action, go full on DMC/Neir Automata action and fully commit to it, not 1 button combos that give you the illusion you're a badass without the actual effort (like FFXV).
If they go strategy, commit to strategic play like FFXII.
Even better if they gave you a choice between the two. I just don't want watered down action or dumbed down strategy... whatever they decide to do.
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I want party members....that's all I ask
I might be in the minority on hoping FF stays less actiony these days. There are games like DMC5 or Nier to play if people want to action games....
That said, I am extremely happy with FF16 as it has FF12's lineage :)
I might be in the minority on hoping FF stays less actiony these days. There are games like DMC5 or Nier to play if people want to action games....
That said, I am extremely happy with FF16 as it has FF12's lineage :)
Dunno, I have mixed feelings. I enjoyed FFXIII-2 battle mechanics as well as FFVIIR - I don't know why they wanted to steer away from that.
I will always miss the turn based combat the series sued to have, but I'm glad they (seemingly) decided to go full action. It's a lot better than waffling between what they want combat to be.
I really enjoyed the FF7 Remake combat and I thought it was a superb modernization of FF combat. It is 'turn based' at heart.
Detested FF15 combat though.
We will see once we have more details... I'm covered though with FF7 part 2 and 3 (I'm suspecting it's a trilogy).
Detested FF15 combat though.
We will see once we have more details... I'm covered though with FF7 part 2 and 3 (I'm suspecting it's a trilogy).
Disappointed but not surprised. I thought with Nomura and Kitase busy with FF7 this might of had a chance to go turn-based, but Square wants to chase CoD and Assassin's Creed numbers, so kind of hard to justify turn-based stuff. I feel in love with the series as turn-based rpgs, so I'll always want it to be that.
I'm sad. I love ATB and am sad to see it gone from the series. I'm not saying it won't be a fun game, with great combat, because I'm sure it will. And I know I'll love it.
Not sure why everyone assumes there won't be party members just yet since we can see someone fighting alongside the MC in the trailer. Still could be a guest character but I wouldn't be so quick to assume that
FF has been crap for ages(outside of 14 and 7R), so I don't mind them basically going full DMC.
I don't like it exactly but after FF7 I think I could get into it. XV's combat was really weak but 7R's really made me confident that Square Enix could pull off action that feels decent. It had a lot of quirks but the potential is there. Also it sounds like one of Devil May Cry's old battle planners is now at SE so, yup.
I'd rather it turn based just because I like high budget turn based games every once and a while. If I only have Dragon Quest to rely on though it won't be so bad. But I'd like more variety than that. Like their settings going from futuristic and sometimes old school, I'd love if they go back to it someday but I think once the trigger got pulled, they don't want to go back.
I'd rather it turn based just because I like high budget turn based games every once and a while. If I only have Dragon Quest to rely on though it won't be so bad. But I'd like more variety than that. Like their settings going from futuristic and sometimes old school, I'd love if they go back to it someday but I think once the trigger got pulled, they don't want to go back.
XII had the best party based gameplay that wasn't turn based of any game I played. The gambit system was amazing.
My personal take on it is that if it's a combat system I like, it doesn't matter. I don't think I have had a preference either way. XV was bad and VIIr showed that it can be done. And if this is like Devil May Cry, heck yeah.
Don't really care in this series. Not like FF's turn-base combat has ever been anything special.
If 16 goes the action route, there should be an option that allows for a more tactical approach with the whole party. 7R has problems but it at least got that right with it's pause menu to issue commands.
As someone who actually enjoyed ARPG, I'm beyond disappointed that SE straights up abandon turn-based, especially as they already have popular ARPG IPs, and all the other recent FF's have been ARPG. EVERY fucking game that isn't on Switch or mobile or named Dragon Quest is an ARPG.
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I am perfectly fine with it as long as it is well designed. Any system can be good as long as the design is intentional and well realized.
Given that the combat designer for this game worked on DMCV there is basically no reason at all for me to be concerned at this point.
Given that the combat designer for this game worked on DMCV there is basically no reason at all for me to be concerned at this point.
It's already looking good in my opinion
he's fighting alongside someone in one of the gifs
For me the implications of a character-action focus are what im mixed on. I love party mechanics and systems you have to really mess around with and learn. Managing, organizing, and coordinating a party is one of my favorite things in jrpgs. With a character-action game you really only control one character with the trade-off being more complex moment to moment inputs. It's asking you for completely different skills.
I adore games like DMC5, Bayonetta, KH2 and 3, etc, but I don't feel like I am under-served by that genre.
One of my favorite aspects of FF (and jrpgs) are the parties of memorable characters you play with and watch grow. I'm a bit wary that this game has seemingly focused so heavily on single character gameplay. But we know almost nothing about the game and im sure we will be surprised as more info is revealed.
Other than that i think 16 looks fucking amazing.
Its also interesting tk note that 7R's combat is almost a perfect realization of the old turn based system in an action context. The design of each mechanic, and the way they interlock with each other, is incredibly well realized.
I adore games like DMC5, Bayonetta, KH2 and 3, etc, but I don't feel like I am under-served by that genre.
One of my favorite aspects of FF (and jrpgs) are the parties of memorable characters you play with and watch grow. I'm a bit wary that this game has seemingly focused so heavily on single character gameplay. But we know almost nothing about the game and im sure we will be surprised as more info is revealed.
Other than that i think 16 looks fucking amazing.
Its also interesting tk note that 7R's combat is almost a perfect realization of the old turn based system in an action context. The design of each mechanic, and the way they interlock with each other, is incredibly well realized.
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FF has has always changed up how it plays. They might be on more of an action kick now, but that could always change in the future. You'll have a bunch of people complaining about that change after FF gets it's established fans of the action style. Sure I might have a preference towards ATB and turn based. I grew up with them after all. But I enjoy action based and have been playing a decent amount of them lately. As long as the mechanics, story, and music are good, I think I'll be happy.
Looks good so I don't mind. I also wouldn't mind an interesting turn-based or normal jrpg system, but I think this stands out more.
Even if it wasn't an action game, I still probably wouldn't play VIIR because of the break mechanic. I hate RPGs that have break mechanics as part of their battle system. It's nothing but an excuse to make enemies into damage sponges. It's the main reason I haven't played Ocotopath Traveler yet, either.
Someone in the last page or two said it's the best battle system FF's ever had.
They might be right. I mean it's your call, but you're really missing out on a really good battle system that feels like an ATB turn-based strategic combat system.