I'm still invested in helping town, malus being scumread isn't a particularly new or novel/out of left field thought and like I've said a million times I don't have many due to me being absent last week. If you feel my neutral-ness prevents me from being helpful (your faith in Sorian's neutral altruism aside), I'll unvote if that makes you feel better.
Yeah, I know how it feels. I have been ok with the lynch because people are just clamoring for it and obviously they're not all Scum and I agree with some of the reasons, but I feel like if I just let my likely last day as the one Confirmed Town in the room go the majority's wishes without at least trying to get someone else who other people and myself are scum reading lynched, then what will I have done for Town?I would rather lynch approximately 1/3 of the game over malus but it's just going to keep coming up so at this point I'm
My faith in what now?
Bae was their safeguard. Her dying absolutely puts scum in a more desperate situation, and I'd think that'd be enough to make them try something new.
Hmm. This is a fair point. After people like cabot and Chuggs (the first to comment on Stan's murder) established that they believed CeeCee was town, it made sense for all scum to just go along with that regardless of CeeCee's alignment. The fact that you did the exact opposite... Hm. At the same time, though, you were the first among we who are still alive to comment on the situation, and you did so way before the 3 flipped scum players said anything. You could've simply reacted rashly before taking your time to feel the room temperature.
Your vote's context was the fact that Faddy had been counterclaimed. This is context that came up completely estranged from your own contributions. Previously, you'd admitted that you weren't paying attention to Faddy. I really don't understand why you are defensive about this particular point. Your vote wasn't "incredibly scummy" as much as it was obvious, given the situation, and not one you would've arrived at without the counterclaim.
I can't say this argument moves the needle for me. Your position is that you making bad moves as town is more likely than you making bad moves as scum, but that's just WIFOM.
Your argument is exactly the same as Faddy's. You're both grasping and trying to imply that I "favored" scum players somehow even though I made the logic behind my choices perfectly clear in the thread, and you're doing so by pointing at minor assymetric details of my posts and making them seem like huge slopes. Bae never got "taken off the list" - that's just something you came up with. She was the third option, and I explained why very clearly ages ago. That post in response to Faddy was pointing at the reasons for my scumreads during that phase - and, for the millionth time, I didn't have a solid scumread of Bae at that point. I was just highly confused by her posts.
Other than you calling me Fandorin, fair enough yeah. Saw is still going to be on the list tomorrow either way. I just want to make sure we don't sleepwalk into the Malus lynch here without getting someone else up there too. It was starting to feel like if I hadn't said anything today then people would have just chilled out until EoD.
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I don't know about that. It was looking more and more attractive, and it definitely could have been today's lynch until the early claim.
There's literally nothing you can "hear from me" that would change anything regarding my claim. Yes, I'm the odd man out in this equation for two very obvious reasons that were already part of my claim. First: I'm town, not neutral. Second: my win-con (defeating scum) isn't in any way related to the modifiers, and so I have no reason to know which modifiers would potentially affect me or not.
I get that you're frustrated, but your claim is part of your play and while Fandorin said you should claim, it was only after it had been brought up.
I cannot imagine it would be worse than lynchproof, which just means we lynch him twice or once and it confirms him, which sucks either way, but isn't the end of the world. Maybe I'm wrong here but I don't see Bear pulling a Geno and giving Febe 16 powers and a goat.
I don't disagree with the idea that it seems like an odd wincon, but I don't see how this play makes sense for scum. He's setting himself up for death. Why wouldn't he just claim town with some interaction with PPM if he's scum instead of a neutral that will leave the game?
I think his predecessor comes out looking really good as well though. I made an ISO of it somewhere. It's not JUST that Zeke is playing how I would expect.
Yeah, that's why I'm not scum reading you, the only thing you've done activity wise this game that really concerns me was the shit show on D4 which does involve your claim. Either way, wouldn't want to see you lynched today. Also when talking to Natiko later, I mentioned that your role in this game could be similar to a very game-mechanic specific and not very useful role that I had in GoT, so it's not like I'm all aboard the "Brazil's claim is obviously fake" train here.
Yes, part of it. Not all of it. I'm not CeeCee - I'm one of the 3 biggest posters in this game. These "concerned" posts about how the only way people can figure me out is by checking my claim when not a single person has bothered ISOing me are either disingenuous and coming from a bad place, or just straight-up laziness. And the latter annoys me a lot more than the former.
I quoted your post because it was the more complete one regarding this subject, but you're not the one I'm frustrated with. I've seen that discussion between you and Natiko and you clearly are putting more thought into figuring me out than the rest.
Would lynchproof be permanent, or just for that day phase, or something? If scum, I can't envision it being for the rest of that game, since I'm not sure we have any alternate means of killing except for maybe what a modifier could entail. But yeah, this goes into balance talk, and I'm not sure it sounds right if he was scum and it gave him something magical. So the other possibility is...
A simple stall tactic? It's a pretty risky one, though, for the reasons you propose.
Who all even is that - Flux and rac? It doesn't really make me think anything other than they don't trust neutrals which, I mean, is fair. I just am struggling to see how allowing him to live backfires. The only fear I could come up with would be an arsonist like mechanic, but no one has mentioned being doused with pineapple juice or something stupid lol
It gives scum a free night kill would be why versus if he leaves by completing his wincon.
"Your wincon is too easy"
"It's silly to think that because the wincon is too easy there's probably a catch and you should go about it stealthily if it has a chance of happening on its own anyway"
The problem is you're not solving the game, *you* are stalling if you want to lynch me. If I'm lying and am scum, I'm a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow. If I'm anything else and lying, they I just signed my death warrant anyway. This lynchproof thing I obviously can't fight against, but would it really fit here? This game's been pretty tame so far.
I don't think I get what you mean. Scum is still going to get a night kill after this day phase, regardless of what happens.
Have you talked about this before? That link doesn't ring a bell.
Why?
We're not lynching Fireblend today. We can find out if Fireblend is telling us the truth very easily. There is no reason to think that he will become some kind of unstoppable monster if we don't lynch him.
Because unless you believe Fire is lying scum, we would be lynching a player we don't believe is scum and then allowing actual scum to get a NK before we go back to trying to lynch scum.
Okay, so yeah, it's what I was saying. Sure, we can leave it, but just like I said, if we do mislynch (and I think we're at the point where it's very likely with no great leads), then we're going to be at -3 tomorrow instead of -2.
We wouldn't necessarily be putting it on hold, but I get what you mean with needing to revisit someone who was close to a lynch today again. Like malus.
The worst fate.
Pure numbers wise sure, but in the scenario where we leave him that means we lynched someone that people view as potential scum, in the other we don't and instead we just deny a neutral. I can only see lynching Fire if we think he's lying about his wincon, but I can't come up with a plausible alternative wincon that would A) make sense and B) hurt us.
