What stats do you expect to post during D1?
This seems like a force read to me.
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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
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What stats do you expect to post during D1?
This seems like a force read to me.
Why not? Interrogate your assumptions.
At least one of the busier posters is scum, guaranteed; likely at least one of the quiet, less-active posters is scum, too. Instead of giving him a pass, why not try to draw him out and get him to talk?
Giant Panda, what do you think of Fantomas and Chuggernaut?
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
cabot (2 votes)
kawl - #591
fireblend - #707
blargonaut (2 votes)
faddy - #94
blargonaut - #329
sophia - #376 #389
fandorin (2 votes)
brazil - #172
dr. monkey - #565 #736
thechuggernaut - #576
brazil (1 votes)
natiko - #845
stanleypalmtree (1 votes)
dr. monkey - #736
kyanrute (1 votes)
cabot - #657
ceecee (1 votes)
ceecee - #670
sorian (1 votes)
terraforce - #104
rac - #510 #828
fireblend - #692 #707
geno (1 votes)
geno - #77
pirate bae (1 votes)
fantomas - #899
rac (1 votes)
rac - #828
terraforce (0 votes)
shadowswordmaster - #85 #85
fireblend (0 votes)
fandorin - #324 #715
fluxwavez (0 votes)
zubz - #101 #582
sophia - #132 #376
sophia - #389 #389
natiko (0 votes)
natiko - #79 #845
Post Counts:
blargonaut: 103 cabot: 62 fran: 61 dr. monkey: 57 sorian: 54 geno: 52 sophia: 40 fireblend: 39 natiko: 38 terraforce: 35 pirate bae: 33 fandorin: 32 brazil: 31 faddy: 29 thechuggernaut: 27 fluxwavez: 26 fantomas: 25 kyanrute: 19 grizzly: 17 rac: 17 ketkat: 12 zubz: 12 stanleypalmtree: 12 kawl: 11 ceecee: 9 turmoil7: 7 malus: 6 giant panda: 5 absolutbro: 5 shadowswordmaster: 3
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Day Start
cabot (2 votes)
kawl - #591
fireblend - #707
blargonaut (2 votes)
faddy - #94
blargonaut - #329
fandorin (2 votes)
brazil - #172
thechuggernaut - #576
brazil (1 votes)
natiko - #845
stanleypalmtree (1 votes)
dr. monkey - #736
kyanrute (1 votes)
cabot - #657
ceecee (1 votes)
ceecee - #670
sorian (1 votes)
terraforce - #104
geno (1 votes)
geno - #77
pirate bae (1 votes)
fantomas - #899
rac (1 votes)
rac - #828
terraforce (0 votes)
fireblend (0 votes)
fluxwavez (0 votes)
natiko (0 votes)
Post Counts:
blargonaut: 103 cabot: 62 fran: 61 dr. monkey: 57 sorian: 54 geno: 52 sophia: 40 fireblend: 39 natiko: 38 terraforce: 35 pirate bae: 33 fandorin: 32 brazil: 31 faddy: 29 thechuggernaut: 27 fluxwavez: 26 fantomas: 25 kyanrute: 19 grizzly: 17 rac: 17 ketkat: 12 zubz: 12 stanleypalmtree: 12 kawl: 11 ceecee: 9 turmoil7: 7 malus: 6 giant panda: 5 absolutbro: 5 shadowswordmaster: 3
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yes i expect you cabot and terra(maybe) to swing my way
go for it
Let me rephrase that. I don't think getting more out of him is a bad idea, but I don't agree with putting him up as a lynch target today
I'd say this is why Malus is reading scummy to me. His one observation, other than talking about the leader/voting stuff, has been weak shade thrown at me based on my predecessor's very few posts, and he doubled down on it when asked about his thoughts on me so far. It felt to me like he wanted to find something to throw out that hadn't been mentioned yet, and then slink away and see how people responded to it.
Because you are being accused of parroting other people opinions.
Your post on him and Monkey a while back is kind of what led me to making that posts because I don't really agree with it at all. It kind of read OMGUS. I don't really know if I agree with him, but I don't really agree with dismissing it out right either.
I'll admit I worded that post pretty harshly, I was just surprised that such a minor thing would get brought up as a serious point like that. Especially with the way he didn't even attempt to get a read on me, just wanted to use that as a reason to get suspicion going. I'd kind of like to pressure him on this and see what else he's thinking.
And just to be clear, I don't think you're scum. I was going to bring up the two posts together when I made that point about Malus, but looking at it, I feel like scum Fanto wouldn't of made a post that aggressive so I just dropped it.
That's three posts in a row giving me the full range of reads. That's pretty cool.
I call that confrontation, sure. Maybe not altercation, but definitely confrontation. Still, the adjective is hardly the question here - once again, it's the difference between the tone of those two posts. I think it was Fantomas that said he thought you felt "artificial".
I couldn't possibly give you a reason why the content of these posts in particular would make you scum with the information we have right now, but it does give me the impression that you're just commenting on stuff without really having much attachment to what you're saying - hence the inconsistencies. You may disagree that there are inconsistencies, but that's how I see it.
I didn't trust Fand just like I didn't trust anyone a couple of hours into the game, which was when I'd made that post. I'm still watching him, and I just prodded him about something, but right now I'm comfortable with where my vote is.
Those are clearly not adjectives, but you get the gist of it.
And to add to that post, I never "changed my mind" about Fandorin. So the link you drew doesn't even make sense.
And to add to that post, I never "changed my mind" about Fandorin. So the link you drew doesn't even make sense.
I'll have to agree with Chuggernaut here. That post felt very OMGUS-like - especially how you dragged Monkey into it, and then backed down from that path as soon as she got back to you. I could see that being mere frustration because you had fingers pointed at you over something that you had no control over, but it could also be you lashing out as scum.
Sorry to hear that - didn't know you were feeling under the weather. When you do come back, what about Brazil seems off to you? You list a group of concerns and then blind spots - the remaining unnamed players are then ones you lean town on I presume?
The category I put them in is people I want to hear more from because I have no impression of them, they weren't reads beyond null. Even if GP typically is low key that doesn't make me suddenly assume they're town. I want to hear more to determine my thoughts.
Fair enough, I don't really want to keep on this because it's ultimately not too big of a deal to me, it's simply a reason why I am suspicious of Malus. Monkey was someone I had noticed who seemed interested to push that idea forward, so she got a shout out in that post as well.
I'm not reading GP as Town, I already posted a read list, I'm just saying this isn't anything out of the ordinary from what I've seen of him.
Malus had a weak entrance full of weakness, and I sense Scum in his weakness. My predecessor did even less than these two, and Malus found a way to scum read it. What do you make of that?
Not much. I do think Malus might try to do that as scum.
I'm not saying your reads are wrong just that I'm confused on how you got them.
Are you talking about Fandorin or Fantomas? I was talking about the former.
Still, I'll answer your question. People have been voting for him since he seems trustworthy, level-headed, and generally sound with his arguments and observations. I agree with this, but I don't think that's who I want to see as leader.
I feel like I've caught up so time for this. Chuggs before Ketkat right now. Ceecee could be a thing too, Sophia felt town-ish up til the Blarg incident, the doubling down is a little bother indeed. There is a bunch of ???-peeps around, could see some of those getting promoted to lynch status should they say silly things.
Hmm or I could threaten to shoot AB because he is doing the AB day one endless catch-up. Just to see if he catches the thread before T-minus 2h.
Or Fire or turmoil, both a part of the somewhat hiding group. Ehh, going beyond the 1st three seems like reaching right now.
Fair, I feel like I'm in a weird spot as a replacement since I normally would have been here from the start and my opinions probably wouldn't be coming in as hot and quick as they are right now. I'm fine with the scrutiny though, ask away and I'll keep trying to get my thoughts down if anyone is confused.
I was on the Scum Team with him in Conspiracy, so I can see him coming at me naturally as someone he thinks he could pressure since he knows I am prone to meltdowns as Scum. However, he didn't even use my own posts to try to do it, he used my predecessor's 3 posts of almost no substance to try doing it instead. That's why I feel worse about it than I normally would I think.
The reason I keep hammering on this is because it is a series of assumptions, any one of which could be wrong. You're complaining about an observation that didn't really product much pressure, if any, and to complain about it/accuse, you are constructing an argument based on a series of possibilities.
Yeah, this is what I meant earlier when talking to you when I said that I could be making a mountain out of a molehill. At the end of the day, it's a reason for me to be wary of Malus because I don't like where he was coming from. I'd like to see his response to this and his thoughts on everything else because of that.
People I feel good about, Stan, Cabot, Sorian and Monkey, mostly, second tier would be Blarg and probably some other people that I feel meh on ATM but wouldn't lynch rn. About Brazil, he was a bit inactive during the first part of the day, and that gave me some pause, I like him more after his observation on Fran but I've come to expect more of him. Might be just me.
Interesting, reads on Brazil seem all over the place. Just was curious why you landed where you did.
No, I expect between a supposed team of mafia players + Roy they would give him the bare essentials of mafia.
It isn't fine. If a scum team and Roy together cannot manage to say two words ("distance yourself") among other basics then they aren't doing their job as that means he wasn't properly taught rudimentary mafia behavior. And I took it as he replaced by fear of modkill due to not understanding the rules, but again this is all just conjecture. This is really a can of worms that really shouldn't have been open since there's a million reasons why he did what he did and it's all entirely baseless without SSM being present, so I'm dropping it. We aren't getting anywhere with both sides just theorizing while blind, so you can continue to think what you will.
What is that "something" that's wrong with Geno? That's pretty vague. But I agree about the Fandorin train. Not about the town read, but the growing train itself I don't agree with.
Every action in mafia has its consequences, and as much as I'd love to have 100% accuracy who I choose to lynch, that simply isn't the case. This is an unpredictable game by nature, so we're taking a chance regardless. By giving the steering wheel to someone else I'm choosing to observe how their actions correlate with their preceding behavior and the game moving forward. I don't think as much information can be obtained with myself at the helm considering I know my own alignment. That's why I chose to vote someone who more or less straddles the line and I would trust as town, but I feel would be more revelatory as scum.
Add me to that list then. Is your entire reason for disliking those who went after her solely due to meta? Because that's what it sounds like. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to think someone going so back and forth with their behavior isn't supposed to raise a brow. She went after Flux without committing, then quickly dropped that and went after Blarg which was even more of a mess with her voting and unvoting seemingly without much reason. Not to mention her weird push on me I personally take issue with.
Fucking format errors.
Same as before. Flux or Ceecee, was initially Soph for stated reasons, and Ceecee has done nothing to qwell those thoughts (in fact he's done the opposite by his complete lack of presence after cracking a few jokes). Febe I still stick with my reasoning from before, but I do town read and take in consideration Monkey when she says she pursued him for similar reasons. My vote I still think I'm sticking with for reasons above in my response to Blargy.
Don't want this wall of text to get too long, so I'm cutting it here before I finish catching up.
Same as before. Flux or Ceecee, was initially Soph for stated reasons, and Ceecee has done nothing to qwell those thoughts (in fact he's done the opposite by his complete lack of presence after cracking a few jokes). Febe I still stick with my reasoning from before, but I do town read and take in consideration Monkey when she says she pursued him for similar reasons. My vote I still think I'm sticking with for reasons above in my response to Blargy.
Don't want this wall of text to get too long, so I'm cutting it here before I finish catching up.
You two keep going back and forth on what seems like a pile of nothing. Do you feel you're actually getting a more clear read on Fran from this exchange? Because this just feels like noise with a hint of pedantry to me (though I will admit I've mostly just been skimming over this back and forth at the moment).
Cut this part of the post so I forgot to mention that I really like this. I planned to call out the same three in addition to AB and CC who went back to dipping after a light presence after being called out. Last I saw of AB he was still on the first few pages, though that could mean he plans to replace out so I felt less concerned with him as the person who replaced in and still lacks a presence, being the latter.
absolutbro CeeCee
Wouldn't mind hearing more from rac either. He came in, posted a town list then ghosted us. He didn't bother expounding upon those reads either so I'd like to see how he came to the conclusion that he did. You also promised our safety, but didn't say who you would plan on actually lynching if it were up to you. Really weird string of actions coming from you if you legitimately want to be the leader today rac
Terraforce
I posted that after I had just woken up, but let me elaborate.
I won't fault Geno on his majority stance; I think that's pretty NAI considering I don't think he'll be getting elected. Just because his take on today's situation is different doesn't mean he's scum.
That being said, what strikes me the most about Geno is that he never seems to have any reads of consequence; it's like he's just trying to engage enough to have a presence in the game, but nothing that would necessarily make him stand out. I may have missed it, but I don't think he's ever said who he would lynch if elected or who he would like to vote for other than himself. His posts have been entirely about game mechanics and how we should run the day. That, to me, seems odd.
I would like to see him offer some insight into players themselves instead of the mechanic today. Geno , anything to add?
(If he did post his reads list I apologize, please link me to them)
I posted that after I had just woken up, but let me elaborate.
I won't fault Geno on his majority stance; I think that's pretty NAI considering I don't think he'll be getting elected. Just because his take on today's situation is different doesn't mean he's scum.
That being said, what strikes me the most about Geno is that he never seems to have any reads of consequence; it's like he's just trying to engage enough to have a presence in the game, but nothing that would necessarily make him stand out. I may have missed it, but I don't think he's ever said who he would lynch if elected or who he would like to vote for other than himself. His posts have been entirely about game mechanics and how we should run the day. That, to me, seems odd.
I would like to see him offer some insight into players themselves instead of the mechanic today. Geno , anything to add?
(If he did post his reads list I apologize, please link me to them)
So just to go back to my own read list from earlier here:
Zubz and Kawl I would want to ask the same thing to since they have not posted much of substance at all that I can remember. Top two Town and Scum?
rac falls into that territory as well, though he did at least provide us with some Town Reads if I remember right, but I'd still like to hear more, it all felt kind of fluffy.
FluxWaveZ seems to have kind of disappeared after being a topic of conversation early on in the day. Would like to hear his thoughts, maybe his top two Town and Scum right now.
Zubz and Kawl I would want to ask the same thing to since they have not posted much of substance at all that I can remember. Top two Town and Scum?
rac falls into that territory as well, though he did at least provide us with some Town Reads if I remember right, but I'd still like to hear more, it all felt kind of fluffy.
I guess in my head I assumed it was bigger because of all the talk surrounding it. Didn't realize how conservative people were being with their voting this game.
To be fair, he did said he had a reason for withholding his reads and would show his hand at a later time. When Geno is full of himself and thinks he has some master plan he's prepping to say "i told you so" following its unveiling, that's more of a town tell from my experience with him. Personally I'm okay with such behavior (as long as he does inevitably come clean), but I can see where you're coming from given limited interaction with him, and I like your reasoning. So thank you for elaborating.
Ah, I see I missed a post where he said that he was town reading Fran and Monkey, my bad. Also said scum read on CeeCee. Anyone else sticking out though?
Let me ask your questions.
1: Not stand out? You need to play more with me because I always stand out and I'm always top 3 scum on people's lists.
2: I said Sophia and Fireblend, because their play was different, Sophia is gone now and I don't think I have played with Fantomas so idk what to tell you.
I'm sticking with Fireblend and I will add Kawl to the list, when he was here his posts were like he was trying to fly under the radar, a post just so he can post something.
3: I'm only voting myself, I'm willing to vote someone else only if we do the method I mentioned.
Not this time Terra, no master plan from me, I didn't have a reason really, and I never said I would literally wait until day 1.5 to say my reads, I said by the end of day 1.5.
Wait, you mean this post by Geno, right?
I questioned him about this after Fireblend assumed he had specific reasons for being coy about his reads, and Geno answered it right away. Saying it was just an expression and that he'd share his reads during the day.
Later on, you quoted Geno and said this;
Which is it then? Cause I thought this last post meant you understood Geno and leaned town on him for it, but now you're pointing out that he had mentioned a "reason" for holding his reads instead of just playing his usual style.
Wait, what does this have to do with me? Also we did play together once, in Conspiracy.
I forgot you were in it actually, no but it does because your posts were a bit weird and I don't remember if you usually do that or you are just scum.
I would say why they were weird but I don't feel like parroting so yeah.
If his point of view is how you describe it, that's not how I took his response. I recall his "exactly" response being a reaction to the assumption that he was taking a "wait and see" approach, which is what I was referencing.
Well that severely takes the winds out the sales I assumed were being set. Then what's your excuse for being so elusive then?
Of all things you could forget about Conspiracy, I have no idea how Sorian or Fando from that game could slip your mind.
Also based on your second point, are you saying that even after a good 10+ pages your thoughts on anyone haven't changed even remotely?
I mean I always have plans you know, but not the master plan. I'm not elusive, I just wasn't ready to elaborate at that time and wanted to try and convince everyone about the leader method, I failed, which is ok.
Firstly, I think you are reading stuff I never wrote. Secondly, my thoughts have changed, but not enough for me to definitively say if someone is scum or town. Right now Fireblend and Kawl is all I need.
Nothing in mafia is definitive. That's why people were asking you for reads. I assumed you had good reason to wait, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore so I'm curious as to why this is the path you're choosing to take. This ain't how you secure a throne that's for sure.
To be fair, I shot him in the face before all that happened, so he might of just check out before it went down
I don't need a throne, I just need to win the game and see the HVV modifier.
Oh yeah I haven't read a post after my death, if something happened after I don't know anything about it.