Fandorin (and malus) - analyzing Fandorin's malus vote can't happen without Fandorin's history
Way back in
3569, I pointed out that Fandorin's read of Faddy, which he declared town, did not look like a townread. It's also where he sets up a connection between Faddy and malus - based on the "memeing" comment, so far as I can tell, since it's the only thing in this read that mentions malus - again, the rest of the case Fandorin and Brazil have built has been layered and added to over time to make it seem stronger. At the time, though, I was not thinking about malus; it was Fandorin's read on Faddy, because while he town leaned Faddy, he leaves a lot of room for Faddy to be scum and what he would do if Faddy was scum.
I have tried explaining that read further a bunch of times, but we can't seem to agree on it.
I town leaned on Faddy but still could see the case for him due to his push for Flux lynch after turmoil fake claimed. That was the only hang up I could see on Faddy. I wouldn't vote for him then, but didn't think it was a lynch I'd oppose to.
That was actually the first post I explained my rationale on the EoD of D2, so I had to work my thoughts on "what scum would do" to explain my read of the situation inside the Faddy analysis, so I think that influenced others perception of my read.
Last phase, after Fandorin did some analysis on Faddy (mentioned above), he voted malus.
His scum read on malus is:
1. He hasn't added much since d1 - There are a lot of people we could say this about, so why malus?
2. Has weird posts pushing others without an actual angle - which is interesting considering Fandorin quoted malus's vote d2 to place his own
3. finally, and OMGUS angle (and the example he give is something malus and I both talked about)
These three reasons at this point are the basis of Fandorin's read on malus, a lynch he has voted for over two phases now.
I think I've developed that read quite a bit, so you trying to paint that as the extent of my case on malus is a little bit ridiculous.
When did you talk with malus about his bad vote for me on D3?
Fandorin addressed quoting malus's post when he voted for Bae:
And I think this is whatever, lots of people scumread Bae before that claim. What I find inconsistent is that he could place the vote without quoting malus's vote and post. He had his reasons. But clearly he didn't think malus had nothing to offer, because he did choose to specifically say he agreed with the vote.
I wanted to vote for Bae and he voted for Bae then. Did anyone else vote for Bae right after that that I chose to ignore and instead specifically went after malus vote for her? Cause if not, and could possibly be your point?
In a few posts I didn't grab, Fandorin eyerolls at the idea that scum would create a third wagon if two scum were up on the block, like it was ridiculous and how dare anyone suggest it. I find this surprising, because... wtf else are scum going to do? It does happen, it has happened, it's not unheard of at all, but he's acting like it's impossible. These were around the late 3600s.
These are the you mentioned from me:
You think both Faddy and me could be scum together? Would be a marveous thing to see scum create a third wagon to save the skin of two scummates like that.
Sorian post makes sense, considering that turmoil got lynched early in the game, but I find hard to believe that the scum team could coordinate their votes to create a counter wagon if two other scummates are in danger without leaving a big trail of evidence behind.
From my perspective, malus could be a counter wagon against Faddy, but it would make more sense for scum to gang up on me, considering the malus train gained traction a bit later.
I stand by it. I know I was actually the counter wagon, and I don't think scum could vote for malus like that without leaving themselves completely open later.
Scum would have zero ways out if they piled on malus to save me and Faddy if we were lynched, and considering that the incredible amount of zero other leads have surfaced since Faddy's lynch, it's obvious that I'd be next in line.
This is where things start to get a little weird:
This idea of the malus wagon being "pure." Brazil is an unknown. Fireblend is an unknown. Natiko is an unknown, rac is an unknown. No one on that train is pure. That's not what that word connotes in this community or any other that I've seen or heard of. But this isn't the only time this came up today and while Fandorin wants to eyeroll away the observations that he continued to repeat that he's town, he's doing the same thing here with this notion of purity. Repeating something you want accepted as truth is a basic rhetorical strategy. It's not some shit we are making up. It is called the reiteration effect.
And I realize that he's not the only one doing it, or doing it the most - Brazil is doing it. But this notion of purity, since both mentioned it, likely originated in their boat, and it's simply wrong.
I believe Sorian is town after our boat. I would not call him pure. I mean, he's not my brother or anything, but while I feel strongly that he's town, I would call him pure because words mean things.
Supposing that the malus wagon could be pure is just an assumption that I came up to counter the idea that it
NEEDED to be a counter wagon to save me and Faddy.
Since that is practically the sole reason why Sorian started scum reading me, I thought I'd share the idea since it is a pretty reasonable explanation for the votes, considering
I know I'm not scum and there wasn't a counter wagon against my lynch.
Brazil is an unknown, Fireblend is an unkown, Natiko is an unknown, rac is an unknown, but I still feel good about all of them right now so it came to my mind that it could be that that wagon was pure.
It doesn't sound like it from your post, but I've actually only mentioned that twice until now. I've not repeated it on and on trying to create a narrative: I know that only more flips will tell the whole story (dare I hope, malus's one first) so I didn't
push this angle in any way, I just said what was on my mind.The fact that just
sharing this idea elicited this response from you is interesting to me.
I also want to see Fandorin expand on rac. I love rac and I don't think his posts have been scummy but I want to see more than a drive-by here.
I made this post later on rac, and another one that I remember but couldn't find. I believe we're seeing Town! rac who doesn't care about the mood of the thread and instead just pieces the game on his own, not really caring about what others think about his methods.
Fantomas I remembered this post from rac today that made me feel better about him. Coming back to D1 and re-examining turmoil and Faddy links to me, and not just following the flow to scum read me today, is giving him some hard townie points.
