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Emphasis on this point. They've lost two teammates in a row. Are we really to expect that they'd just let a third get lynched without saying anything at all? We're only 2 votes away; I could decide to switch at any moment and it'd be 1.Unless he's scum and some other role that damages town on death, there's no reason for scum to painlessly give up another member.
Just wasn't sure since you started out the day touting a desire to push Fan due to connections with Faddy and then proceeded to spend the whole day phase defending Malus instead.I'm working on Fandorin re: malus. Hard to get motivated when clearly no one gives a shit.
fuck you I invented this*snip*
I like Blarg more though, solving the scum strats for them is lock trolling.
Up and down. My problem with Sorian is that I generally assume any possible play would be considered by him if scum. For instance - earlier when we talked about ketkat's death. Was that scum Sorian playing up being slow to the take on some of the implications of ketkat's death? Or would scum Sorian take the more bold approach of broaching the subject himself? I feel like everything with him is a constant case of WIFOM. I don't like his most recent posts trolling over the malus votes while simultaneously doing nothing to consolidate the wagons which is what I pretty much expect from Sorian no matter the alignment.
I swear this is my third time explaining this, but I do not believe Saw and Fan are possible scummates. My scumread of Saw is strongest overall and if I had my way we'd be flipping her today. Between Fan and Brazil I think Fan is the more likely scum, a mix of Fan's day ends and his comfort with slipping in the background to let others (Brazil) defend him. I really don't buy the Brazil scumreads at all - coming off of KH Brazil's demeanor towards Fan is completely different. Hell his defense is so impassioned and vitriolic he even started OMGUSing people that were voting his brother. I find it really hard to see that as scum unless you fall in the camp that thinks they're both scum and are feeling the pressure to not get stomped this game and are willing to be that aggro with their scummate defenses (I don't find this scenario likely at all). Ultimely with Brazil feeling town to me and Fan seeming like a worse option than Saw, it doesn't really give me any desire to hop onto a Fan vote with my top scumread.Natiko why do you think Malus is more likely to be Scum here than Fandorin or Brazil?
If it wasn't against the rules (and I wasn't lazy) I'm sure I could go find dozens of examples of you consolidating wagons and advocating that runaway wagons are bad for scum hunting compared to forcing ties and making people choose. It really has nothing to do with who is or isn't in the lead and more to do with a deviation from your standard play.Why would I consolidate the wagons? No one is going to turbo because this community is anti turbo and most are asleep or turning in now anyway plus it's not like malus is an end of the world vote that I need to prevent, there's a 1% slice of pie here where I'm completely off base and it is just malus but then, as already pointed out, scum would be bussing and another one would be lynched, three down in four days? Lol
If it wasn't against the rules (and I wasn't lazy) I'm sure I could go find dozens of examples of you consolidating wagons and advocating that runaway wagons are bad for scum hunting compared to forcing ties and making people choose. It really has nothing to do with who is or isn't in the lead and more to do with a deviation from your standard play.
Maybe it's just rare for this to happen this far from day end. Dunno. Just struck me as odd for you to be clearly thinking that but not taking action is all.You aren't wrong but, again, we're still too far out, no one is around (except you and probably Blarg) and there's no shift I could currently do that ties a vote. I've already said I think the malus wagon is shit specifically for it being a runaway.
I would argue that the Fandorin flip still provides you with info on Saw moving forward, as well as Brazil, and other pretty hard to read players IMO. And I do think there have been solid cases made for the last couple day phases about his scumminess, from myself and others.I swear this is my third time explaining this, but I do not believe Saw and Fan are possible scummates. My scumread of Saw is strongest overall and if I had my way we'd be flipping her today. Between Fan and Brazil I think Fan is the more likely scum, a mix of Fan's day ends and his comfort with slipping in the background to let others (Brazil) defend him. I really don't buy the Brazil scumreads at all - coming off of KH Brazil's demeanor towards Fan is completely different. Hell his defense is so impassioned and vitriolic he even started OMGUSing people that were voting his brother. I find it really hard to see that as scum unless you fall in the camp that thinks they're both scum and are feeling the pressure to not get stomped this game and are willing to be that aggro with their scummate defenses (I don't find this scenario likely at all). Ultimely with Brazil feeling town to me and Fan seeming like a worse option than Saw, it doesn't really give me any desire to hop onto a Fan vote with my top scumread.
His scum read on malus is:malus - He hasn't added much since D1. Has weird posts pushing others without an actual angle and OMGUS: his vote on me was terribad. I don't think he has a single post addressing Neeks or Monkey's case on me and he instead just glossed over what I posted and pointed out I say I'm town too much. Is that a secret scum infallible scum tell somehow? I will vote here today.
On my vote for Bae, I explained more of that vote when Neeks called me out since it looked like I was sheeping malus on his weird graph. I edged for Bae over KetKat yesterday since (i) she had more posts on the game and more reads out than KetKat and could give us more information when flipped, and (ii) I agreed with the idea that others brought to the thread that Scum! Pirate Bae was sucking up to Town! KetKat expecting her town flip to give her credit. This idea backfired hard after her claim and I was wrong on my read, but that was my mindset then.
I'll add also listed Pirate Bae when Brazil asked me my 3 top gut scum reads back at D1.
At the moment I can't offer an sensible explanation to what happened with the vote tally last phase. Right now I can say that most of the malus votes should be pure, and I feel safe with Brazil and Fireblend, Natiko a bit under them and rac growing as a town read. Even if malus is town, scum didn't really have need to push that wagon considering the cover they had with me. They also would've bussed Faddy early on to avoid drawing suspicion with the bomb.
At the same time we still have rac, LP, Blarg and Zeke to look at (I'd definitely put malus in that pile as well). I think town has cut those players quite some slack and I think it's time we realized that with so many town confirmed players alive, we will end up carrying most of them into the end game. I've sorta liked rac's contributions this phase so far though.
I expect to funnel down this list after I do a reread and check what we have on vote information, since that is something we haven't even touched upon till now.
1. malus himself answered this. Also, since when is it an issue when someone doesn't OMGUS vote?- malus, who says he'd been suspicious of rac since D1, gestures to complain about rac's vote on him, but votes against Fandorin instead based on secondhand arguments (#3527).
- malus' vote on Fandorin leaves Fandorin with 3 votes, behind Faddy's 4 votes. Sorian comes in right after that with the next vote, making Fandorin tied with Faddy in the lead (#3546).
- I call him out for it (#3558, #3585). He initially engages me, but then drops off after that last post, and doesn't address me any further.
- rac calls out the progression of malus' read on Flux during D2 (#3601), and malus' defense is "I spent a whole day not doing much in general" (#3606).
- malus then disappears for the rest of D3, missing out on all of the claims.
- malus shows up in time to safely cast the 14th vote on Faddy after his bomb had already exploded on Chuggernaut (#3854).
Just wasn't sure since you started out the day touting a desire to push Fan due to connections with Faddy and then proceeded to spend the whole day phase defending Malus instead.
jk a wild Febe has appeared.I'm kinda caught up (read the last 5 pages or so) and I think Malus isn't a bad lynch overall. Brazil and Fandorin's coordinated push does come off as possibly coordinated, but weren't they on a love boat together? Enough people seem to scum read Malus that it's probably a lynch we'd have to get to eventually anyway, and will give us some good info on our brothers. That's what I think atm
Why wouldn't I?
No, I just mean I kind of remember being an asshole and having about 30 meltdowns in there, so I can't imagine I looked good haha.
Being scum is rough. I prayed for death throughout GoT and PR. Cluedo and the girl gang was nice, tho.No, I just mean I kind of remember being an asshole and having about 30 meltdowns in there, so I can't imagine I looked good haha.
I'm not all caught up. I have some huge blanks on yesterday and the first 2/3rds of today pretty much, so I'm mostly piggybacking on others' reads. My impressions from the last 5 pages is that Brazil went hard on defending Fandorin after a hard push on him and part of was defense was diverting suspicion towards Malus. I don't know, I know they're brothers and were on a love boat so I can see Brazil going for the blind defense when trusting scum!fan.jk a wild Febe has appeared.
If you are caught up, I would really like to year your actual thoughts on scumminess, not just info, especially since there is very little to read you on in this game.
I kind of agree about Brazil because of what Sorian was saying earlier, and Brazil's reaction to it, trying to warn me about being pocketed. I feel like I've been about as fair to all the people I've engaged with as I can, so it was weird for him to seem defensive over me talking to Sorian about him. I can still see a world where Sorian is Scum (sorry for saying this to you directly) so it just gave me a bad feeling about where he's coming from.Being scum is rough. I prayed for death throughout GoT and PR. Cluedo and the girl gang was nice, tho.
Anyway, I really hope some people weigh in on my big post to Brazil and the ones from just now. I feel like Brazil is scummier but I can't reconcile that with the malus wagon unless malus is actually scum and I'm on the wrong track, so I think the flip probably does need to be between Fandorin and malus.
I was feeling good about Kyan until he went on the malus vote. Not loving that. Very uncertain about Sawneeks and Febe.
Dude, no, Sorian can always be scum. Our chat is at least one third me going ARE YOU FUCKING SCUM HERE I HATE YOU and him laughing at me. The rest was work.I can still see a world where Sorian is Scum (sorry for saying this to you directly) so it just gave me a bad feeling about where he's coming from.
I'll be in bed most of this weekend as I'll be home after a week of intense 10-hour work days in middle of nowhere USA so I'll be more than happy to catch up in between bouts of sleep.Dude, no, Sorian can always be scum. Our chat is at least one third me going ARE YOU FUCKING SCUM HERE I HATE YOU and him laughing at me. The rest was work.
Okay, for real, bed. And I see your response, Febe. When you have more concrete thoughts, I think everyone would appreciate them.
Adding to this, but departing from malus and focusing more on Brazil:Last phase, after Fandorin did some analysis on Faddy (mentioned above), he voted malus.
These three reasons at this point are the basis of Fandorin's read on malus, a lynch he has voted for over two phases now.
Then votes for malus in the same post. Why not... just vote for Brazil? I'd have to go back and look, but I don't recall Fandorin ever doubting Brazil or questioning him much. More like giving him the benefit of the doubt when he could.BRAZIL READ
He's the closest to a scum read I have right now, but still not willing to vote. If he is scum, he won't go far in this game I believe.
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Brazil - I planning an ISO on him soon so I can review and explain my thoughts on him and the potential Terra "link" I had in mind.
I think Fando vs Malus can wait another day. Let's lynch Brazil and see how he flips.
I want to flip Brazil now first, this bit me in the ass last time and I still think they're both scum but I'd rather go with the safer pick
If you'd rather see him lynched than malus, you could consider this as well.Fandorin- #3784 seems very subtle in asking for a counter claim to come forward. Also he mentions Faddy's claim throwing heavy shade on Chuggs, why not Flux as well?
Sure, but this is like saying "I know you think A is town and B is scum, but since they're linked at this point why not just go ahead and vote out the person you think is town in order to get to the lynch you desire?" Literally the only thing the current votes make me want to do is go back to voting Sawneeks and saying fuck everyone else - this is the hill I'll die on. That won't resolve anything though so I'll stand pat on the person I think is more likely to be scum of the two.I would argue that the Fandorin flip still provides you with info on Saw moving forward, as well as Brazil, and other pretty hard to read players IMO. And I do think there have been solid cases made for the last couple day phases about his scumminess, from myself and others.
These are all hypotheticals that would lead me to do differing analysis/ISOs in order to actually figure out where to go next. If Saw is scum then I think Fan and Brazil are town, I look at the people that were really happy to slide onto those votes without actually presenting much of a case last phase and this one. If Fan is scum then I swallow my pride, let my scumread of Saw go, and get mislynched honestly so at that point it's whatever - but in my dying words I would probably be telling people to look in the group of players that aren't putting in much work to solve anything - I think there's scum here no matter what shakes out from Fan/Brazil/malus. My pick for it was LP, and I'm not entirely sure that his couple of meaningful posts today changes that entirely, but it could be Blarg or rac as well. I stand by my read of Zeke as town. Fireblend is just a big ??? at this point and probably needs to be lynched if he doesn't start showing up eventually. If Sorian lives too long kill him. It's all a process though.If Saw is on a Scum Team and is trying to mislynch Fandorin right now, who do you think her partners could be?
If Fandorin is on a Scum Team and is trying to mislynch Malus right now, who do you think his partners could be?
If they are both Town, what is Scum trying to do right now?
I'll look over votes to and from malus over the last couple of days and look back through key events to see if anything jumps out. You may as well be asking me how I play mafia lol If you're wanting a specific direction then it's Saw either way.Now, of course, I still do think Malus could be Scum here, so I don't want to seem like I'm fighting too hard here to get someone else lynched because, honestly, he's kind of scummy too, and I kind of do want that flip too.
But, where will you go with info about Malus's alignment tomorrow, assuming we lynch him instead?
I mean - we kind of are unless you're arguing they must be of different alignments. I'm over your mocking tone though - especially coming from someone that complains when someone does it to you.
But as I consider the malus case to be constructed wholecloth for reasons, whether they be a legitimate and wrongheaded attempt to solve or for a scum agenda, it's still intrinsically wrapped up with Fandorin in particular, and Brazil as well. So you can be catty if you think it's gonna get you somewhere, but we're not talking about separate issues here.
Brazil, I really think, is just being stubborn here, and it's got him digging a deep hole. I think the malus wagon arose to protect Fandorin.
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That doesn't explain why you chose malusHe was on my list yesterday, inadvertently dropped him off the list first time I posted it.
Fun fact, in the game I was talking about we got you killed and you were a serial killer that was slipping completely under the radar.
Why did you not believe there would be a cc?At the risk of getting lynched for it, I kinda buy it. Don't think we are getting a counter claim here, and I do believe we have a doctor in the game.
But, at the same time, that throws some heavy shade at Chuggs, and also a bit on CeeCee. If town has so many defensive roles, where are scum kill roles?