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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
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I commented a bit on this after Natiko questioned the lack of a vote for Faddy, but fact is I don't have anything to add to that. I was playing mobile while at work and didn't think it was necessary to vote for Faddy after he got counter claimed. I posted a bit but didn't see the bomb blow or those final votes since I tuned off after my last post.
I actually started typing a vote on the post I praised KetKat's play, but got lazy mid way since I don't like manually typing a vote on mobile.
This is not an excuse. His fate was sealed and I could've voted, but didn't feel the need to. Though I wonder why that paints me in a bad light. Fran (I think?) argued that those early votes for Faddy after he got counter claimed are the most suspect, and I agree. I'm suspect for not voting at all though.
Mind you, I think I bussed ALL my scum mates on Power Rangers (Monkey knows it) and most of them on Marvel. I'm a really coward scum player and love bussing for that easy town cred. Guess the limit to the meta read on my scum game is "he's good and fakes being a townie well", but not the fact that I love being early on the bus lol.
Is it? What are the actual chances of a Sorian lynch this phase?
What is supposed to be the angle here?
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==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
malus (3 votes)
rac - #3,957 #4,117
fandorin - #4,159
rac - #4,212
brazil - #4,231
brazil (2 votes)
ezekelrage - #4,218 #4,254
fluxwavez - #4,220
ezekelrage - #4,261
fandorin (2 votes)
fluxwavez - #3,902 #3,963
sorian - #3,907
fantomas - #3,912 #3,992
sawneeks - #3,913
fluxwavez - #3,965 #3,999
sawneeks (1 votes)
natiko - #3,921
sorian (1 votes)
blargonaut - #4,020
ezekelrage - #4,188 #4,218
rac (0 votes)
rac - #4,117 #4,212
ezekelrage (0 votes)
brazil - #3,896 #3,991
fluxwavez (0 votes)
brazil - #3,991 #4,231
fantomas - #3,992 #4,141
ceecee (0 votes)
ezekelrage - #3,893 #4,188
Post Counts:
ezekelrage: 57 brazil: 47 sorian: 46 fantomas: 42 fandorin: 36 fluxwavez: 35 dr. monkey: 33 blargonaut: 18 natiko: 16 fran: 14 rac: 13 kyanrute: 10 sawneeks: 10 pirate bae: 9 grizzly: 7 malus: 6 fireblend: 5 lone_prodigy: 3 ceecee: 2 absolutbro: 2
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Day Start
malus (3 votes)
fandorin - #4,159
rac - #4,212
brazil - #4,231
brazil (2 votes)
fluxwavez - #4,220
ezekelrage - #4,261
fandorin (2 votes)
sorian - #3,907
sawneeks - #3,913
sawneeks (1 votes)
natiko - #3,921
sorian (1 votes)
blargonaut - #4,020
rac (0 votes)
ezekelrage (0 votes)
fluxwavez (0 votes)
ceecee (0 votes)
Post Counts:
ezekelrage: 57 brazil: 47 sorian: 46 fantomas: 42 fandorin: 36 fluxwavez: 35 dr. monkey: 33 blargonaut: 18 natiko: 16 fran: 14 rac: 13 kyanrute: 10 sawneeks: 10 pirate bae: 9 grizzly: 7 malus: 6 fireblend: 5 lone_prodigy: 3 ceecee: 2 absolutbro: 2
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You are hanging so much on this one person and you have blinders on.
I think he means me and him would be lynched next while scum danced in delight at the chain lynches.
There is over a day left in the phase. So why not try to start a wagon on Sorian?
So, exactly like you? Yours was the 9 vote on Faddy. Is this an admission of something?
You know that it doesn't clear you, right?
Could you explain this?
So the scenario is that, if we lynch malus and he flips town, we'll lose the game by lynching the two of you who are also town? At this point, we have the most information to gain by either lynching you or Brazil. In an event where malus was lynched and we decided to lynch you or Brazil, we'd learn a lot from that flip. If one of you was indeed town, it wouldn't guarantee a lynch of the other.
Setting up a doomsday scenario when I figure we're doing pretty well. Not too into it.
No, I don't. Unlike Sorian, I'm all for hearing different angles here. But all anyone's talked about today has been about Fandorin and I, and I know those are wrong paths.
Uh, no. All it would take for you to see that you're wrong is read back. My first reaction to the counterclaim didn't come with a vote. I held on to see how Faddy would respond, and only then I voted.
Sure. I never said it did.
If malus isn't scum, it's pretty obvious that everyone will go for either Fand's head or mine next (or maybe even both). That'd be two to three mislynches in a row.
My counter point: If Fandorin is Scum, he knows how many other Scum players are left, and knows which ones may or may not be switching their votes to do just that. He doesn't have to necessarily to get Town cred, especially with the show he was putting on (assuming he is Scum), and it could be dangerous if he knows that him, plus all his scummates, plus who knows how many Town, all piling on could lead to an unfortunate situation.
And to make it clear what I mean by "a show" is I mean he's trying to seem as Townie as possible during it all so that today people can go back and argue that he couldn't be Scum due to his Townieness during all of that.
Basically, I see your perspective and understand it, but I still find myself disagreeing.
That is fair, and obviously I can't argue against that.
I would say it paints you in a bad light in the world where you are the other Scum there alongside Faddy who was in the spotlight and catching votes. I'm still working with both worlds in my head, one where you are Scum and one where Malus is Scum (and one where neither of you are as well, but I'm not really leaning that way right now), so it's not a tunnel, I just want to work through all of the things in my head here today.
And it isn't that you are suspect for not voting at all. It's that you are suspect (in my eyes) for voting for Malus, and then the reasons I said earlier with your read on Faddy, which made use of all the scummy posts people had brought up about him, while also still saying that Faddy could be Scum and you would link him to Malus if he was. But you don't work out in that read why those posts make Faddy scummy, just that he's Townie to you, and that you can understand though why people want him lynched. It reads to me like you don't want to have to say he's Scum even though it's kind of obvious to the rest of the room at that point.
I don't see how lynching Fandorin and I gives town "the most information" when all of the "suspicions" are based entirely on links that scum themselves openly planted in the thread.
All you'll get if you lynch Fandorin will be "Oh, I guess Faddy did frame him, huh." Same for me: all you'd get would be "Oh, I guess he really was just wrong about Flux, huh."
Maybe then you'll consider looking at the actual solid argument against malus. But you could also do that literally right now without having to lynch a townie first.
You're aiming for "information" without even bothering to parse through the thread with Faddy's flip in mind, and rejecting the arguments of the one person who has done that.
I never said that you voted as soon as Ketkat counterclaimed (I already said why I find Natiko scummy when he did exactly that). I'm saying that you are the 9 vote on Faddy, and that is a good place to be if you are scum and know that the last player voting him will die.
So do you think that only there weren't 2 scum wagons yesterday?
And even with 3 mislynches we wouldn't lose unless scum start making double kills.
There are 19 of us still in the game
Because if one of you flips town, those openly planted scum links will unravel, and we'll be able to accurately determine what they are instead of merely speculating.
Like it or not, you're at the center of the discussion now along with Fandorin. This means that flipping either of you will shed a ton of light into what's actually been going down. That conclusion regarding a Fandorin flip or one of yourself is very disingenuous; there's so much more going down than simply Faddy (as I pointed out previously myself). And there's much more going on regarding you than me.
It's kind of bewildering you think that a malus flip would help us more than flipping you or Fandorin. Do you honestly think, for the sake of town, that there'd be more info to gain from him than flipping either of you? And, again, I'm not even addressing this day phase, but your doomsday scenario in which we flipped malus, he turned out to be town, and we "lost."
Honestly, I'm just not interested in the argument against malus. I will check it out, but it was suspicious as hell when I saw him rising the ranks as misdirection for the actual lynch last day phase, and it remains as such this day phase. It's just noise, and no one who's being generally town read is biting it.
This is outright wrong. Faddy's flip relates to a lot of what I'm posting.
Malus's vote wasn't absurd, his literally immediate backdown and setting the stage for a mislynch was.
Look back like 2-3 pages and I discussed this all with Fran already. If you ISO me it'll be like two of my more recent posts. Too busy to go grab them and insert them.
I guess if you feel my case is weak then fine, but explain why. Don't just say "neither feels like malus should be top scum read". I still think the argument for malus and Saw is stronger than Fan or Brazil.
I appreciate that paragraph about "the show I'm putting out" haha. After last phase I was worried about my performance in the game since I felt like shit playing, but now I feel like I have the game back on. I am trying my hardest not to get lynched today, but fact is I wouldn't mind as much as I did last phase if I don't manage it. I know Brazil will still be here and worst case scenario we've left a pretty big lead for town to follow after this phase.
I love making scum regret trying to set up my mislynch and I think I'm following the right trail.
And yeah, nothing that you can argue about in that post, it's just what happened. I feel like I should've been more clear after my ISO on Faddy, but at the time I meant that I was town leaning him. I went post by post and his D2 didn't get my attention, but I still had doubts about his push for Flux on EoD which was what everyone pointed out and lynched him for at the end. I thought it made sense for him to double down and push for Flux there, but I was wrong and he used his read on him as a good cover. I didn't want to vote for him at the end, but I wouldn't defend him from the lynch even if I wasn't on the block as well.
Ok. Sure, yeah, vote 9 would probably be a good place for scum. They didn't get that slot, though, I did.
I don't understand the wording of this question. Please rephrase it.
Ok. This is a digression based on a premise that I don't believe in anyway. I strongly believe that malus is scum.
This. This hollering about chain lynches is frankly insulting. Unless we screw up gloriously, no one's going to forget to evaluate come a new day and we're doing pretty well so far so I can't get on board with the handwringing.
I'm going to. I'm going through the votes first. I already indicated I had a post from malus I was going to highlight.
So do you think that only there were 2 scum wagons yesterday?
Didn't grab any specific quotes because it keeps getting repeated. I don't know why you keep repeating the same line Brazil . You keep pretending that if Fando is town that I would then lynch you. You fly up my list but the likeliest scum is between Fando and malus. That needs to be solved first, if you were so worried abou chain lynches, you would point here that I plan to go after malus after Fando instead of making I about you. The way I go after you tomorrow specifically is if (when) Fando flips scum.
You also keep saying I've provided no read on malus EVEN THOUGH ALL DAY TODAY AND END OF YESTERDAY WAS ME PROVIDING A READ ON MALUS.
The circle logic is getting annoying.
rac honestly, you are small potatoes, in the world where Fando is scum, you are town so I'm not interested in you until I know what's happening there.
You also keep saying I've provided no read on malus EVEN THOUGH ALL DAY TODAY AND END OF YESTERDAY WAS ME PROVIDING A READ ON MALUS.
The circle logic is getting annoying.
rac honestly, you are small potatoes, in the world where Fando is scum, you are town so I'm not interested in you until I know what's happening there.
Bomb, extremely unlikely. Neutral who'd need to get lynched before a certain day phase is over? I don't know if that's even a thing.
Anyways, rac, you've been weird since D1. You're not on the same level of priority as Fandorin or Brazil; lynching you wouldn't get us nearly as much.
Not necessarily, it's just town Fando says nothing about your alignment.
Well, at least my weirdness has helped for getting two scum lynched. Ends justifies the means.
Can't say the same for rac.
I'm convinced at this point that you Mr. Magoo'd your way into both of those situations so I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too hard.
A jester. And this game isn't bastard so the probability that we have one is close to 0%.
All that's "going on regarding" me is that people are talking about me. There's not even a concrete case I can defend myself from. It's all conjecture.
I don't think there'd be more "information" from flipping malus than from flipping Fand or I. I'm not after "information".
I think malus is scum. I know I'm not scum. I know Fand isn't scum.
If you flip Fandorin today, I'll get no new information from that. After that, scum will probably just kill someone like Fantomas. It'll just be a reset of today minus a couple of good townies who are trying to solve the game.
I never thought I'd get to this point in a game of mafia, but I have to echo Sorian in that you're not a very pleasant person to play with.
You haven't even looked at the argument, you're "not interested" in it, and you're here saying that it's just noise?
You're just some dude, man. Sit the fuck down.
I'm not, only saying I contributed. I will depending on how this day phase ends, though.
You are asking for much more credit for Faddy's lynch than you deserve.
you got to counterclaim scum and your actions were so weird leading up to that point almost that got fucked up
Do you want to claim something? Because the only ones that can say that are scum or a cop, and we already have a cop claim.
Don't worrry. We will do it, eventually.
Brazil You know Fando is town with about as much certainty that I know he's town. Like let's stop pretending that a night in a chat proved anything. I feel like if masons and cop hadn't been taken already, you'd be trying to claim one.
I also saw that dig, don't be mean, you were nicer in HvV
I also saw that dig, don't be mean, you were nicer in HvV
Ties are good and fine early in the day. Febe's takes though are not so great.
Anything before this stuff is outdated and I don't care. Febe saying malus, Fandorin, OR Faddy is a whole ass thing though. I get that he's busy but in hindsight this reads like "whatever, lynch someone." But we know they weren't all town, because Faddy, and it seems unlikely both the other two are town. And what does this say about Brazil?
I don't know if Febe has been active enough to make a judgment about this either way. I find it really frustrating that we've got like five people who are doing so little that we're fumbling in the dark. Febe at least is trying, or appears to be, but this disengagement is the result. And lynching there doesn't even tell us anything; it puts us right back here where we are now.
Relax, obviously I'm not the reason Faddy or even turmoil got lynched. It's a team effort. I'm saying, despite the weirdness and unorthodox nature of it, it did help. Do you disagree?
And I'm supposed to be the abrasive one. Chill, I don't think I've said anything unreasonable there.
I said I'd take a closer look at malus later on; it's not like I've been ignoring everything that's being said about him. But there's nothing compelling to work with, and the fact of the matter is that malus rose as a lynch target during the last day phase when we were on the cusp of lynching scum. Right now, we don't know that malus is scum, but we do now know that Faddy was. Same for not knowing you or Brazil are town. Stop talking in black-and-white: the only way you would "know" something is if you have more information than we do to work with.